So how many leftists here, anyone from commies to social democrats

So how many leftists here, anyone from commies to social democrats.


(Also prepare for triggered right wingers to shit on the carpet)

Not many

Fucking neck yourself leftist scum

How did i know i would trigger a right winger like a SJW

>voting for race-mixing
>voting for cuckoldry
>voting for white genocide
>voting for social justice
Top quack

>HvKBb81D

Yeah, good one, too bad i dont support any of that bullshit, its the idea that matters, not who it comes from.

Also there is no white genocide, there is no genocide, there is a lot of white self guilt bullshit though, and it needs to stop, fucking regressives.

>neither me nor my ancestors worked as hard as you and your family, but I'm entitled to free money at your expense

Why? Is there a moral arguement or are you just a cheeky cunt?

Nothing free about taxes, im not big on the dole, its more healthcare and education, money should not be a factor in whether you live or die, it should also not be a factor in whether you are able to go to higher education (That should be related more so to your capabilities)

You did not earn the money or wealth of your inheritance , i believe in the individual over business, the individual is the one who makes the business money, not the other way around, hence strong labor laws being good for the working class.

You see, im not a regressive ass cunt, a slacktivist if you will, the economy is based on the working man, and not even the industrial or digital revolution changed that.

Gas yourself cumguzzling retard

I'm a communist but seeing modern "leftists" makes me feel more and more hate towards them. I don't even like being called leftist

>proceeds to shit all over the carpet
Treasonous swine.

Indeed these bloody regressives, and Fascists in fur coats (Fucking communist reddit groups have turned from communist to fascist, almost mirroring KKK behavior to opposition of their quotas, and new age segregation)

I respect for those communists who stand against the Third wave tyranny.

None you should gas yourself.

I love free stuff.

Leftist as in what Sup Forums thinks leftist is or leftist as in economic preference?

>the economy is based on the working man

No the proprietor and the inventors are the ones who push the economy the working man is just the beast on which they ride.

I sure hope you are not implying hilary is left wing with that gif, that is a laughable proposition

i am greek

fucking Aussies, always with the some gay ideology with you faggots isnt it

Here it's still not so prevalent yet but you never know what the future will be. Funny thing is 99% of these groups aren't even Marxist. 0 financial and class analysis.

Without the man to build their house, bake their bread, and make their tables, well the proprietor cant do shit and have no purpose.

And the inventor is the working class

I really fail to see how anyone can be a Leftist in 2016. You'd think a century of failure would be enough for people to realise it simply does not work whatsoever.

But then again, Lefties were never too good at reality checks.

>triggered right wingers reporting in

Why out of all the places would you come to speak about leftism on pol - politically incorrect

>Century of failure

Because free speech is not strictly a right wing thing, its center if anything.

Marxist-Leninist checking in.

>capitalism good

I know. Still, if you look for people with similar views you should go to reddit or facebook groups. And if you want a debate you shouldn't attack right-wingers in the OP. Also how come leftism is politically incorrect? Could you shine some lights on that?

Lefty policies are why they live like that.

>baww you evil British racists have to leave baww

Kinda the point, its fun the rustle some jimmies once in a while, disrupt the abnormality of pol with this sort of thing.

Then by your logic you should be infinitely more confused about how anyone could be a national socialist in 2016

Of course. Because imperialism is benevolent institution.

>disrupt the abnormality

I don't know if you can call it growing if most of Sup Forums unanimously agrees that communism is jewish garbage.

Reddit and facebook are full of normies and soft liberals. More concerned with "DUDE WEED" than economics and geopolitics.

Africa is still locked in the chains of neo-colonialism. France in particular still has huge influence in its former colonies. Imperialism never ended, now it's just done by stealth and with local bourgeois collaborators.

Identity politics will be identity politics, its a senseless circle lacking self awareness.

LOOKING FOR THE TEXT CONVO WHERE THEY'RE TALKING ABOUT BERNIE REFUNDS PLS

>Africa is still locked in the chains of neo-colonialism.
Nah, nah my friend. Afica is locked in the chains of niggers.

You wont find that here Bernie is a spineless cunt, and he knows it.

Tell me why do you think most people from all former socialist nations are leaning to the hard right.
Why do you think all socialist and marxist economies failed?
Why did the single payer healthcare system fail everywhere except in countries where it was introduced after the a proper infrastructure was developed.
How come after the introduction of the minimum wage the living of life standard decreased in the U.S.

You should know one thing my friend: the U.S provided the world a free and functional system where innovation was introduced and adopted, where the standard of life increased and offered the rest of us a model that we could copy, adopt and imitate according to each nation's conditions. I am truly afraid that when the U.S will become socialist the world as a whole will start stagnating and regressing. I know from my country's history that a socialist system will be the end of the ever growing development of the human race as we know it

Well he is a leftie after all

Im not a commie, so thats not me area, the picture was there to upset some of you guys, im left wing, but im no commie.

>Africa is still locked in the chains of neo-colonialism.

>now it's just done by stealth and with local bourgeois collaborators.

Those 10s of billions of € we send are "stealth" right?

too many

That didn't fail as such tho. It was destroyed by hostile outside forces in a vicious war that mobilised much of the world against it. Leftism is literally failing because it is a failure. Unfortunately it is going to bring down the world around it. Starting with the West, the only worthwhile thing humanity has created.

Also, very few people are actually legitimately National Socialist so not really sure how it's relevant compared to the hordes of frothing Leftists that infest the planet.

Africa's problem is that it is full of Africans. Apartheid South Africa and Rhodesia showed that. It was better for everyone. Africans were fed, healthy, and had jobs, and Whitey wasn't being exterminated. Then the good ol' Lefties came along and shat all over everything so that now SA is an AIDS infested and corrupt shithole, while Rhodesia is starving to death under an ultra-racist dictator. Who is a Lefty funnily enough (just like Mandela).

OP what are your opinions on urban planning and housing?

Do you believe that the ideal is for families to live in detached homes on big lots, or do you believe that everyone should be forced into a Stalinist-style high rise?

What should be done about house price rises?

Foreign aid goes straight into the pockets of corrupt bureaucrats and local warlords to keep the flow of goods and resources to the first world. The old European powers can't pull off occupations and colonies any more, but they influence trade through biased deals like NAFTA.

left wing politics means turning towards communism at a slower pace not spanning multiple generations not a sudden armed revolution.
Most of the prevalent principles on /pol would have been considered hard line communism before ww1

No I mean the convo where one guy is saying it'd be fair that everyone is refunded their money, but the other person in the conversation says it'd be fair for the refund money to be divvied up among the contributors.

Bernie supporter replies with "but that's unfair".

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Good, so we agree foreign aid is a waste.

Let's also agree that food aid murders their economy and literally breeds a horde of unimaginable size.

Also, Europe didn't gain all that much from Africa, nor did North America.

Well, what the market and economy require, im a left wing capitalist, housing is a complex issue, in large city areas governments should have more rights on expansions of industrial and residential areas, if a building must fall for a new road or train, well its for the cities sake, having a mega city would require some socialist action and collectivism.

Suburbia should be largely based on free market expansion rather then a governmental one.

>This extremely retarded picture that shows no idea how wealth is actually generated

If I were president I would eliminate all borders and eliminate the right to own private property, including land, houses, buildings, cars, etc.

I would provide a basic income, and encourage people to work if they are healthy and motivated.

I would provide entertainment and sports and recreation facilities for everyone.

The world would be close to perfect, much like the americas were before europeans brought war and weapons to the peaceful tribes.

Sounds reasonable. Do you believe in regional development? Like, decentralising some industry and population away from the big capital cities?

I'm right-wing but if a left-wing party advocated for that and actually followed through I'd vote for them.

>this gif

Mugabe is a corrupt dickhead with no understanding of socialism, I don't defend him. Although I certainly don't give a shit about the "suffering" of the white settlers, they were willing participants in the colonial project and deserve everything they get. Apartheid still lingers in South Africa too, the divide among classes and ethnicities still remains. The EFF is gaining rapid support.

Oh I agree it's a waste. Sankara was against it.

>That didn't fail as such tho.

Quit making excuses. It failed. Showed up for couple years before getting blown the fuck out and it folded and is now relagated to inbred trailer trash and edgy teenagers on Portuguese shadow puppetry forums.

Meanwhile communism became an indelible force in history with everything stacked against it. Sent the first satellite and person into space. Became superpowers. Lifted shitholes into the developed world. And so on.

are you still posting regular updates? haven't seen a thread in a while.

>hollywood is leftist
>public education is leftist
>some rich people are even leftist
>the government of America is leftist
>universities are leftist
>most leftists are middle class white boys
>most right wingers are the working class the left claims to represent
What do you think about this?

Europe's wealth is stained by blood. Slavery and early colonialism provided the impetus for industrialisation. The empires of Europe were fuelled by African resources. The Congo Free State and Mau Mau rebellion proved how determined they were to hold onto the untapped resources.

The proprietor takes the risk incurred in investment. The worker uses his labour for the proprietor's money.

oy vey!! racist!!!

didn't you know we wuz kangz n shiieeeettttt.

Then what interest do you have in Africa?

They cannot civilize themselves.
They cannot run a functional primary sector economy.
They cannot feed themselves.
They cannot generate wealth themselves.

Europeans tried to civilize these savages, and then after we left out of a combination of guilt and revolution, their countries descended back into the dark ages with the addition of rotting western buildings.

South Africa is the leading example of what happens when Whites get kicked out.

>The empires of Europe were fuelled by African resources.

>Slavery and early colonialism provided the impetus for industrialisation.

lol

Yes, in order tp expand such cities, Masses are more easily handled with a single action, then many smaller ones, therefore to create a mega cit, or any sort of expansive city it would be required to move regional ones out, some compensation of equal value would be required whether that be land, or straight up money would vary on many factors, socialism has its place inc a capitalist economy, as ironic as that may sound.

I wish everyone had flowers.

>Slavery and early colonialism provided the impetus for industrialisation.
No, slavery actually held back industrialisation because slaves are free, you only start to invest in machinery when all workers have to be paid because a machine is more efficient and in the long term cheaper than people. However if you have free labour there is no point in investing.

You should try to learn some basic economic history, even people like Marx understood this.

>They cannot civilize themselves.
>They cannot run a functional primary sector economy.
>They cannot feed themselves.
>They cannot generate wealth themselves.

Literally zero proof of this. Whenever Africa tries they get crushed by the boot of imperialism, like Sankara in Burkina Faso.

Why do you hate Europeans so much when you are one?

Question for commies: what's your take on gun rights? I know a few people who self proclaim to be communists, and they're all vehemently anti-gun, very pro-gun control. Yet this always confused me, since I thought there needed to be a workers revolution to overthrow the capitalists, and how are you going to do that if you don't have guns? I don't get it. Seems to me like a commie would automatically be pro-gun.

>However if you have free labour there is no point in investing.

Yes there is. It allows profit to be maximised and lets workers be laid off, thus keeping the downwards pressure on wages through competition.

I don't. I just hate colonialism and oppression.

>Mugabe is a corrupt dickhead with no understanding of socialism
Still a Lefty. No less corrupt than all the Lefties in the EU. They're just better at hiding it.

>they were willing participants in the colonial project and deserve everything they get.
So does that mean you'd be cool with widespread violence against Muslims in Europe?

>Apartheid still lingers in South Africa too, the divide among classes and ethnicities still remains.
Probably because the Black government gives privileges to Black people thus keeping the racial divide alive and well.

>It failed
Um, no. Several million Soviets (Lefties) forced the National Socialist government to surrender. They then proceeded to destroy everything National Socialist and forbade anyone from continuing it. Not really a failure of a system of government. More a military defeat.

>Meanwhile communism became an indelible force in history with everything stacked against it
But this is wrong. Communism was and is heavily funded by powerful globalist forces. It also only maintained control through brutal slaughter and oppression of its people. It eventually then of course collapsed all on its own in the USSR. There was no million strong foreign army in Moscow to cause that. Just decade after decade of Lefty failings that eventually broke the camel's back.

>Sent the first satellite and person into space
Using National Socialist tech, dude.

>Lifted shitholes into the developed world
Uh, who? Cos every nation where Communism took hold has turned to shit.

>Rhodesia and South Africa had the best economies in Africa
>black guy takes over
>both countries become shit like the rest of Africa
explain this

Very much anti gun control. Gun control benefits the bourgeoisie. Marx was vigorously in favour of firearms.

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>Yes there is. It allows profit to be maximised and lets workers be laid off, thus keeping the downwards pressure on wages through competition.
Except slaves don't have wages you retard. For someone posting Marxist quotes you obviously have not read Capital. Marx goes into great detail about how slavery and serfdom held back economic development and prevented the rise of capitalism. He also talks extensively about how the ancient Greek economic analysts could never work out the labour theory of value because slavery meant that it did not exist.

I'm a social-democrat

>I know a few people who self proclaim to be communists, and they're all vehemently anti-gun, very pro-gun control.
You're talking about Chomsky-tier people. They don't really care one way or another but if their perceived enemy is pro X they automatically have to be against X and vice versa.

Food security in their countries is proof.

Their absolute lack of a legal system is proof.

The fact that the Chinese build military mining fortresses to extract precious metals is proof that they cannot run a primary sector economy.

They fight over what nothing they have, instead of coming together to create lots of new wealth.

>I just hate colonialism and oppression.

You'll need to quantify these.

We came to try and give them something worth living for. Colonization was good until the Whites left.

>regressives

Fucking brocialist tbqh.

Seriously though, why do lefties get so triggered by words? Virtue signalling is the latest one being shot down over there.

>hollywood is leftist

Nope just a byproduct of capitalist consumerism, it would be pretty counter initiative to tell you consumers to become communists and fuck the capitalist system, they are Hollywood if anything is a disgruntled centralist

>public education is leftist

Again, the public education system traubs students for a capitalist society, a soviet school would be very different to a US one, disgruntled centralist school system

>some rich people are even leftist

Still capitalists, otherwise they would not be rich

>the government of America is leftist

The democrats are disgruntled centralist with no real idea of what they are doing, notice how obama is NOT pushing a NHS system, and instead uses shitty obamacare that relise on big pharma and insurence companies.
>universities are leftist

Not the same leftist as i am, but again they are still training students for a capitalist world (Except useless arts degrees)

>most leftists are middle class white boys

Im white, but im far from middle class, but those SJW types are the exact type leftists like i disdain, they are abusing the capitalist system and trying to make it fall despite what its done for them, man i wish i would get a fuckton of unearned money, also known as inheritance, but i have only what i earn, as my parents are piss poor.
>most right wingers are the working class the left claims to represent

But they are not, im a lower class leftist, i dont live off government freebies either, i work a shitty 40 hour job, for the dream of owning a house.... i am that shitty leftist working class, i work harder then the CEOs do a whole year ina single day.

i would be a smashing CEO.

>Still a Lefty. No less corrupt than all the Lefties in the EU. They're just better at hiding it.

The EU is capitalist. It prevents nationalisation and is committed to free markets. Anyone thinking it's remotely left wing is blind.

>So does that mean you'd be cool with widespread violence against Muslims in Europe?
They're not settlers, they have no influence. Capitalism forced them out by destroying their countries through war.

>Probably because the Black government gives privileges to Black people thus keeping the racial divide alive and well.
The "black" government is in hoc to global capitalism, whatever giveaways are token gestures at best.

Did you happen to grow up in Tito's Yugoslavia, i have only heard good things from old residence, being possible the only positive communist nation, before Titos death

White dominated governments that were part of the global imperialist system benefited from the suppression of the natives blacks. Those countries received a great deal of aid from states like Israel.

The EU is run by ex-communists. This is their idea of the USSR realised in a capitalist world

I'm aware of that. I understand the progression from feudalism to capitalism. My point in the first place was that the industrialisation in the first world came from the surplus value and resources generated by slavery, not that slavery itself led to industrialisation. It all went into the pockets of the first world. The US' wealth was built off slavery and genocide of the blacks and natives.

Suppers, .comrade?

le sargon of akkad fan

Businesses are collections of individuals working for their own gain under a structure that promotes growth of resources, continual advancement, and working for people if the people so choose.

Indeed i am

Ex-communists who have turned into bourgeois collaborators, yeah. I'll be voting to Leave on Thursday, it needs to be removed for socialism to arise in Europe. Pretty much all the socialist/communist parties in this country support leaving for a good reason.

Im pro-brext, due to it being a un-democratic system

Food security is a problem because it all gets sent off abroad in the global system of trade. Legal systems are a problem because of reactionary forces. Africa was behind in its development, much like Russia in 1917. China is part of the capitalist system of exploitation. They fight because capitalism pits man against man, it happens all over the world.

Colonialism involves suppressing the natives and economic exploitation to the detriment of the people. Colonialism was good for the oppressors, nobody else. Or are you going to tell me the millions who died in the Congo were grateful for those civilised men?

Yep, it's a crock of shit. I support direct democracy at all levels.

this entire thread is bait

Socalt can go fuck off

Depends. internationalism is pretty consistently considered leftist. And National Socialism is dismissed as not socialism by 99% of lefties. Internationalism is an aspect of the mainstream right, mainstream left and most of the far left. The elite of both stripes want full global integration and indeed a system of control over the world.

>he thinks Africa is resourceless

How the fuck do you have Internet, I thought people in south America resorted to cannibalism

Denying climate change worked dandy for the right wingers, talk about having a reality check

Fucking newfag.
Click the post number instead of typing out an ID.

>They fight because capitalism pits man against man, it happens all over the world.

>lets all sing kumbayah and be poor

kek

>Food security is a problem because it all gets sent off abroad in the global system of trade.

That would be true if the EU doesn't buy a significant fraction of EU food produce in order to create artificial demand. This food is then dumped.

We don't buy many agricultural products from Africa.

I think only around 5% of imports to Germany originate from Africa, with a significant portion being South Africa.

>Legal systems are a problem because of reactionary forces.

>reactionary forces

Funny way of saying "absolutely no grip on power".

>and economic exploitation to the detriment of the people.

The hospitals, the multiple story buildings, supermarkets, etc we brought to Africa was all detrimental?

>Or are you going to tell me the millions who died in the Congo were grateful for those civilised men?

Millions who died for what?

End of the day I don't care if someone dies under the delusion that their shit system is better than White civilization. Those who stand in the way of civilization belong removed.

Something as simple as free marshmellows would be a nice start.