Thought on this """"genius""""?

Thought on this """"genius""""?

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from the thumbnail i thought it was pruane2forever

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>Sexy instruments
Rickenbacker guitars look like shit, though. The only worthwhile Rickenbacker is the 4003 bass.

Typical music school fag. He has his shit together there is no question, but he has nothing to say artistically and his aesthetic is shit. I hate his voice. I hate harmonizer pedals. I hate his face. He def has his shit together though. He should stop being an attention whore ecelb fag and just go on tour as a sideman and do some hard drugs for a few years. This is why I have respect for John Mayer all these years later. He said fuck it and just toured with top notch players. I also hate Stevie Wonders music if that helps paint the picture. Just cause you add upper extensions and 2 every fucking 5 chords or through in a tri tone sub doesnt mean you have to. Basically these guys are music stew with too many ingredients an no fucking meat or bodadoes.

>I hate his voice.
This, I think I'd like his stuff if it was purely instrumental.

>doubles down on cow print
your move, faggot

That's a virgin comment, for sure.

If this was the 70s, he would have started a concept prog band about quantum space elves

Stevie wonder's amazing, user.

Why does he have cauliflower ears?
Does he practice violent sports or his parents slapped him a lot?

I dont question Stevies musicianship for a second. He is a card carrying jazzman, but I just hate chords for the sake of chords. He has so many fucking songs that are just harmonic masturbation. You ever hear of that band dirty loops? Its shit like that. Too much re-harmonization going on. He coons out too much for me. Sometimes a C chord should just be a C chord you feeln me bra?

He's like if a young Mike Oldfield didn't make Tubular Bells but joined the Mickey Mouse Club instead

lol

Bad Music.

music for music students with zero taste

Basically this. my old roommate loved this guy, but he was the same kind of person that would write a song and than force it to be in ridiculous time signatures for no other reason other than it's more technical that way.

Debut single "Hideaway" (another track which plays up the album's core theme of interior sanctuary) took Collier six long months to produce: What he calls its "knock snare and big boom and scraping sound" comes wedded to a melody that draws liberally from Johnny Mercer and Hoagy Carmichael's "Skylark." "Saviour," on the other hand, boasts a "wonky" loping rhythm and syncopated piano that recalls 1990s J Dilla-inspired D'Angelo, or even early 2000s Donnie (whose album The Colored Section remains one of that decade's under-recognized musical masterworks). Collier includes a cover of Stevie Wonder's tender 1969 "You and I," but he goes all Roy Thomas Baker/Queen on the track by stacking fifty or sixty overdubbed background vocals; he says he produced its dense arrangement in just four days. "Down the Line" rides chromatic changes that recall the best of Bobby McFerrin's vocalese-pop; but I also hear the chugging post-bossa rhythms of Brazilian acts like Gilberto Gil and Milton Nascimento. (Collier even throws in a Portuguese-sung verse and gives us a New Orleans style piano solo). Collier even includes a cover of "(Meet) The Flintstones," and maybe it's nothing more than a cheeky throwaway, but it serves as a reminder that the 1961 Hanna-Barbera penned theme always contained those latent Beethoven-sonata-meets-Charlie-Parker-rhythm-changes. I wonder if any classically rooted musician has ever had this much fun making a funky pop record before.

Alright well you convinced me. He doesnt sound like a homo showing off. I like how the word groove or soulful or in the pocket are never featured in this copy past.

why is he wearing a cow shirt

He sounds like If Van Dyke Parks composed music for Sesame Street

If the real world had Highlander rules I would be on my way to kill him right now. What a fucking waste.

not to mention his habit for jumping into 5/8 for no reason

He seems to take incredibly complex and sophisticated musical ideas and use them in a very routine context. Who cares if you made a 15 note microtonal chord if its just taking the place of a standard diminished triad?

I see you learned a few musical terms for credibility, good for you. You are actually no better than him. The way you are communicating is essentially the way he plays. Look at me I know stuff.
How else would you know that he was able to do that?!!!

"Coons out too much for me." hmmm... well, I just disagree. I think the majority of his stuff is pleasurable and I never get the same sense of "harmonic masturbation" that I get from Jacob. Stevie's music is a lot more soulful to me, where Jacob's shit is just like modern music that has a "different" chord put on top of it, and it comes off as pretentious to me. He knows what he's doing yes, but not in the same way that I feel when I would listen to a Stevie Wonder song. I think Jacob is just seeing what he can do and fucking around because he's young, and only time will tell if he's actually a musician worth note. But I think for you to compare him to Stevie Wonder and then proceed to say that he "coons out" is just... fucking atrocious. If all C chords were the same, then what's the point of having so many different artists? I know that's personal taste, and I agree with what you're saying for simplicity sake, but in the context of his music, I just disagree entirely.

would have been 1000 times better than what he's doing now

If you name your favorite Stevie Wonder songs, I wager they will be more groove oriented than the b sides I am referring to (stevie has fuck ton of them). Also Stevie is genuine and playing with the best studio musicians. What you are hearing is a conversation and people connecting, something you can not do with a loop pedal and 1 mind. I think we agree more than we dont. Im mentioning SW to not criticize but provide an example of what JC is emulating and what aesthetic I find so off putting.

Well I'm trying (emphasis "trying") to learn composition. So I'm kind of steeped in this stuff now. And strictly speaking I'm probably even more pretentious than Collier anyway

Seeing a lot of people saying he's not for them... He's really known for his complex jazz harmonies, so it tends to hit home more often for people who are either musicians themselves or enjoyers of complex music styles/jazz. It's certainly not for everyone, it's cool, you don't have to like him. lol :) It sometimes kinda helps to think as trying to make music that impresses or expresses rather than trying to create something catchy. :)

Alright, I see where you're coming from. I find Songs from the Key of Life to be one of my favorite albums, but I do admit I haven't listened to much outside of that. The groove-oriented stuff is the stuff I do enjoy more, and yeah, I recognize the conversational stuff. I also agree with this reharmonization bullshit. So in those regards I agree with what you're saying, and maybe you could point out some specific songs so I could get a taste of what SW is doing?

This.

Have you studied counterpoint yet? Hopefully after all your searching you realize its about locking into the pocket and connecting with whoever you play with (metronomes included) We should be communicating emotion through music not displaying what we know. Letting the heart lead and the mind follow is the hardest part. We also tend to overlook rhythm in western art music. Cuban rhythms are just as complex as harmonic stuff.

I'm not trying to play anything. I kind of have to narrow my focus. In thee 2010's its not necessary to be able to play. In terms of theory I'm learning everything I can. What's killing me is a lame ear though.

You are def under 35 and hopefully come full circle in your musical journey. Music is not something to be demonstrated to people. The more hip shit you learn to more likely you are too over use it. This is the eternal mistake of the student musician. Also as I said in another post. Rhythm is the real key to it all. You can lay down the most complex poly rhythms and normies will groove. Adding too much harmonic colour ruins the melody. Your accompanying the melody every note doesnt need a new chords to redefine the context of the melody. Its just n exercise by a certian point. Do we watch athletes lift weights and run on treadmills? No because its boring as fuck we watch the fruit of those labours through sports.

Heard one of his songs in a thread a while ago.
It was really fucking gay.

>using the word "gay" in this context

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You can't be more gay than this
youtube.com/watch?v=cttFanV0o7c

seriously though, can you call this audiovisual masturbation tasteful?
youtube.com/watch?v=DaNxq6Q4v1w

It sounds like those youtube "Every ... song played at once" compilations.

Collier is an autodidact who was doing what he was doing at 18 years old. I'm not too into his "aesthetic" in the sense he's doing very complex rearrangements of popular tunes which I didn't like in the first place. I don't listen to Collier but I'm interested in looking at transcriptions of his arrangements to see how he gets the sounds he does. On top of that Collier is just using upper extensions or using a tritone sub or whatever, which are devices employed in Jazz but he goes well beyond that. Especially his use of harmony and metre. He is a genius who will probably go on to do make some really impressive music as he matures into his 30's.

Joe Pass split chords up into three kinds: Major, Minor and Dominant.

What do you mean it's "just an exercise"? It's not an exercise, people are being musical. It's really easy to look at this stuff in a theory book and start to grasp it conceptually, it's unbelievably hard to take these ideas and make some sort of coherent musical statement with it. Jacob does this quite well. It may not be your cup of tea but acting like it's some sort of masturbation and not an exploration of harmonic and rhythmic ideas is more pretentious than Jacob has, or will ever be.

>trying to intimidate a stranger on the internet with a reaction pic

no, I'm just implying he's a fag

>He is a genius who will probably go on to do make some really impressive music as he matures into his 30's.
Modernized Birdland and smooth jazz most likely.

Hi there gonna have to pull rank on you as my training and credentials almost certainly trump yours. First his parents were trained musicians. The family used to sight sing Bach chorales as a past time (the fact i know this irritates the shit out of me, you just cant escape these ecelbs) Next, you cant say he goes beyond what I stated as it basically checks all the boxes, but since you are trying to flex, what exactly goes beyond upper structure triads? Its like saying head to toe, and you are saying oh its beyond that (trying to pull some BS bluff like I dont know what the fuck im talking about) Finally, whats with you fags and odd meters exactly, that astounds you? We can take a single beat and subdivide it to exhaustion and that is the real skill that needs to be worked on in the wood shed. I have never heard any of you fags ever point a quintuplet or septuplet (i doubt any of you can execute one over a metronome) but adding or taking away a beat from triple or duple meter makes you jizz your pants as if its something spectacular. Let me take a wild guess and say you play guitar and have an affinity for prog/metal wow so unique so original, so above us all. The problem with LARPING is every once in a while you run into someone that actually knows their shit and you just look like a stooge. He is not a genius to tart. He is musically literate. Its a tragedy that this is what is considered genius by today's standards. Before radios people would buy sheet music and discover new music that way. People were so much more literate but as tech goes forward humans go backwards, Case in point is someone as lacking as you trying to pass off fragments of theory picked up online over the years as information you fully understand. Cheers to you and Jacob, but Ill take stupid old Paul Mc Cartney who can write a melody any day of the weeks. Thank you very much.

Im saying it isn't musical you are saying it is. Agree to disagree. You are out of your depth my friend. You dont even seem to understand the word pretentious. What exactly did I make seem more advanced or complicated than it is??? Stop using terms you don't understand. Perhaps you meant pompous. Id be careful throwing around music terms when you cant even get English terms correct. Why do you fucks pretend to know what you are talking about? Who are you trying to impress? Its a zero sum game. Anyone who knows the lingo knows you are faking. Anyone who doesnt just thinks you are being ... PRETENTIOUS.

What do you mean "what's beyond that"? There's a lot beyond upper structure triads and using tritone subs? Do you think your sentence exhaustively captures all the possibilities of music theory? Why are you assuming the metre I'm referring to is just taking away an eighth note or two? I'm more impressed by Jacob's use of reharmonization, and microtonal voice leading. This isn't just bebop, playing on extensions.

Anyway I'm in my unis local music program (hurr hurr) and study classical and jazz music. I don't see why you're being so condescending and acting like you've explored all of Jacob's musical devices. I see you really have an ego to stroke so I'm sorry I offended you.

tough

I find his music boring.

this is bait

this is dumb fish

Jacob wishes he could score as much tang as the Sexman

from the thumbnail i thought it was a young Hudson Mohawke

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I've only heard Hideaway and was diggint it until he opened his mouth.