Singing

Is Singing a learned skill, or a gift?

Someone like John Lennon or Mick Jagger sounds much more of the norm, while Paul McCartney or Michael Jackson sounds like a gift.

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Everything is learned. All you're born with is a potential for development. But plenty of great singers don't have a great range, and plenty of people with a potentially great range are still shit singers.

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It took me more than 2 years to start singing in a decent way. It was completly awful when I started. But I'm sure I could never get on the level of McCartney even after years of practice, he is too gifted. Same for Avey tare when he goes in an extreme high range in some parts of SJ.

Since I picked up guitar eight months ago my singing has improved immeasurably. I have always been told I had a good voice but actually utilising it to its best takes a lot of practice and a good ear.

If you have a "shitty" voice too you can compensate for it with a distinct style. Like Ian Curtis or John Maus

there are different kinds of singers, ones with wide ranges and lots of tried vocal gymnastics under their voice, or unusual range ceilings like michael or paul. but listen to john lennon on twist and shout and you'll see why he could compete with paul, not because of his range of pitch but the range of emotion he can convey with his voice and the roughness of it. matching the intensity of the music and carrying the energy of the song is all what it's about, put a female opera singer on a led zeppelin song and somehow the virtuoso singer will sound worse in that place than robert plant, not because plant is better or more of a gift but bc he knows how to convey the energy in page's compositions vocally and it doesn't require a virtuoso 4 octave range singer to do it

Can anyone explain to me why some people say Bob Dylan can’t sing? He has an unusual voice but i have never actually heard him sing off-key in a studio recording and in his early days he had a pretty decent vocal range too.

Did they fuck?

Because he has an unusual voice and some people can’t grasp that. Bob Dylan’s voice is the ultimate pleb filter.

I'm a bob dylan fan, and saw him the other year at 'desert trip'. he sounded like scooby doo and had his back turned to the camera and stage not showing his voice once the entire concert. in almost a big fuck you to sucha massive event.

I wouldn't expect anything less from a man whose done shit like this for his entire life

OP here. now that I've had some insight, would anyone reccomend irl lessons, or just watching youtube? I've learned to play the guitar in about 2 years, maybe a little less from youtube and tabs

of course

So I've been singing in the car for years (lol) but now I need to take it more seriously since I want to do an entire project alone. Problem is I didn't have any technique, and whenever I sing my throat gets sore after a couple minutes -- It's been this way for a long time. I'm going to see a vocal coach soon but I hope I didn't permanently damage my cords.

ah well you must know him better than I. Kinda fucking annoying to people like me who came from all over the world to see their favourite artists hopefully before they all die

you really showed em bob

I've been playing guitar for 20 years and still can't even sing anything other than a really bad Johnny Cash impersonation.

Natural talent is what makes a great voice. John Lennon had an incredible natural voice. Rock/Pop music is as much about individuality than anything. Someone like Liam Gallagher would not be considered a technically great singer but listen to him in his mid-90s prime and he sounded amazing.

That’s the most Bob Dylan thing I’ve ever heard.

I meant to say face, but voice works there too lmao

developing singing skills is just weightlifting for your voice.

Yeah, there are always better times to start and bad technique will cause problems longterm but singing's even easier to deal with that because you can work around that.

Yeah Bob Dylan is the most massive troll there is. Sometimes it’s annoying (like him rearranging his old songs into being nearly unrecognizable) sometimes it’s amusing, like when he decided to cover London Calling for some inexplicable reason.

Live is incredibly hit or miss and seems purely down to the mood he’s feeling that night. Check YouTube for some amazing recent bootleg footage.

I happened to be unlucky the night I saw him too unfortunately (Glasgow 2011), shitty acoustics in the venue didn’t help either.

Mick Jagger is a pretty good singer, wouldn't call him normal. I definitely can't sing like that.

If you're recording music the voice has to mesh timbrally with the rest of the instruments

If John and Paul were doing death metal growls or tiny tim falsetto it wouldn't gel with the instruments

Pro singers adjust the sound of their voice based on the music to taste like you would use fingers instead of a plectrum on a bass for a softer attack

Now someone like Pavarotti I guess you could say has a voice that is a gift which means all the instrumentation is accommodating his tone

Still don't know what a bad voice is, I think it depends on context

idk, but bob dylan, mac demarco, jimi hendrix,etc. all have the perfect voice for their type of music.

What's up with Thom Yorke's voice. Is he singing in falsetto, does he have a great range, or is he doing some mixed thing? For example:

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Kind of both I think. He’s a pretty advanced singer, he does some pretty complicated stuff vocally, I saw someone break it down a bit.