WW2

Axis powers never had a chance. Three tiny countries with meager colonies vs. literally the entire world.

What were they thinking?

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realcurrencies.wordpress.com/2013/09/16/hitlers-finances-and-the-myth-of-nazi-anti-usury-activism/
youtube.com/watch?v=6hFMHJ2ZQns
youtube.com/watch?v=t6o84NU9Ees
youtube.com/watch?v=6WU2_H2Bigc
wollheim-memorial.de/de/wirtschaftspolitische_rahmenbedingungen_von_zwangsarbeit
de.euribor-rates.eu/
de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Julius_Fromm
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One hell of a way to spin what actually happened.

Hitler printed his own money and the jews really didn't like that they couldn't profit off being the middleman, so they rallied together every single nation in the world which they controlled to bring Germany down.

It was the last stand of the white man, they knew they were going to lose.

They are dumb for invading Russia.

FPBP
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canada and USA should be red at the end

What other choice did he have? He could have conquered the UK, but USSR would have used the time to come to technological parity and would have steamrolled the Reich in several years. A conflict with the USSR was inevitable. If anything, Germany should have invaded Russia sooner.

Why is USSR not blue is the real question imo.

Also notice how Brazil entering the war turned the tide :^)

>Hitler printed his own money and the jews really didn't like that they couldn't profit off being the middleman

Whoa, all Sup Forums memes thrown into one sentence... and completely retarded.

First, Central bank nationalized and removal of the gold standard was shortly before hitler was elected. They printed their own money... which resulted in huge inflation by 1939, a problem they had to deal with. But this wasn´t a problem for the international capitalists.

The problem was that germany got barter trade going under hitler with other countries. Goods for goods. Thats why the "middleman" couldn´t profit anymore. Also, the world still suffered from the financial crisis of 1929 while germany flurished. Germany basically "stole" international markets, crushing the US/UK/French economy even further. They had to deal with germany as fast as possible or the NatSoc economic model could have spread to other places, crippled the allied economy and made international banks nearly irrelevant.

The real question is why USSR isn't black until 1941. It was considered Axis until Hitler attacked them, they were allies.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soviet_Union_in_World_War_II#Pact_with_Adolf_Hitler

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/German–Soviet_Axis_talks

Your last paragraph is correct.

Your first one will require some citations about when they started printing their own money.

Hitler's money were treasury certificates printed by a new NSDAP institution.

>itler's money were treasury certificates printed by a new NSDAP institution.

Again, you read too much pol memes. The treasury certificates were used in ADDITION to the normal currency. Germany still had the "reichsmark" with swastikas on it. The certificates weren´t the only viable currency. You can even buy this "3rd reich money" on ebay still.

"In order to pay for the large costs of the ongoing First World War, Germany suspended the gold standard (i.e., the convertibility of its currency into gold) when the war broke out."

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hyperinflation_in_the_Weimar_Republic

>inb4 kikepedia

"Hitler put it this way: “Our financial principle: Finance shall exist for the benefit of the state; the financial magnates shall not form a state within the state. Hence our aim to break the thralldom of interest.
Relief of the state, and hence of the nation, from its indebtedness to the great financial houses, which lend on interest.
Nationalization of the Reichsbank and the issuing houses, which lend on interest.”

But as we shall see, Hitler did not implement any serious monetary reform after he came to power. He did make finance completely subservient to the State and, more specifically, rearmament. But he did not nationalize any banks and the Reichsbank was already nationalized by the Weimar Republic by the time he came to power. He did not end interest payments to ‘the issuing houses’, who must have made an uncanny fortune throughout the war. He did nothing to decouple the Stock Exchange from the economy."

long ass text from realcurrencies.wordpress.com/2013/09/16/hitlers-finances-and-the-myth-of-nazi-anti-usury-activism/

The Reichsmark
The Reichsmark was created 1924 after its predecessor, the Papiermark, had been inflated into oblivion. 1 Reichsmark was 1 Trillion Papiermark. The Reichsmark lasted until 1948, when it was replaced by the Deutsche Mark. So Hitler simply used the monetary system that he inherited from the Weimar Republic. The Reichsmark, like any other banking unit, was lent into circulation. It was a Gold backed unit until 1931, when the depression forced the Reichsbank (the Central Bank) to implement exchange controls, which effectively took Germany off the Gold Standard. A Gold peg remained in place. There were 1, 2 and 5 Reichsmark silver coins.

Because the USSR was not actually on our side.

A non aggression treaty isn't an alliance.

>implying the blue parts of Africa mattered in any Way
>Implying there wasnt lots of acceptance and eager cooperation within the conquered regions

Also
>Brazil blue
>any South American country did anything relevant within the first half of the 20th century

A whole lot of countries proclaimed war to Germany and their affiliation to the axis within the last few months of ww2
This was just pathetic virtue signaling and the desire to be on the winning side

*Declared instead of Proclaimed
Fuckin phoneposters

The labor certificates were used to buy goods and were a de facto currency though, right?

Did they ever abolish the labor certificates and switch to just the Reichsmark?

Did the Reichsmark ever recover?

I know Hitler didn't use a gold standard, he said each a unit of labor should back each issued [currency] (presumably the labor certificate).

Why didn't Hitler remove the stock exchange from the economy?

Until the US entered the game there was a chance, especially before they started pumping massive amounts of resources into the USSR.
It's the (((USA))) that chose to aid the commies and defeat the reactionary uprising in Europe.

>Finland
>part of the axis

Everytime.

This is nonsense. They could have lived in peace. Stalin was so surprised by hitlers attack it took him two weeks to order a modliszation to counter attack. Mine was reported to have said the Germans are friends, you are mistaken during the first week or something like that

A small tear just ran down my cheek from reading this.
Imagine being Theoden of Rohan, leading your people into one glorious final battle against the evil hordes. Against disgusting abominations. (rapefugees, orcs, doesn't make much difference for me)
You give a epic, inspiring speech about the last stand of the men of the West, before riding into a battle. A battle that seems unwinnable, futile even pointless to some, yet the most important battle the men of the West will ever fight.

>inb4 neckbeard

>Germany should have invaded Russia sooner.

If only this could have happened- they wanted to but it was impossible because the fucking british who cant even fucking win their own brexit fucking placed a protection on fucking poland for some fucking jewish reason and prevented Germany from attacking soviets much sooner.

>imagine a world where Germany was able to engage Soviet Union without Western Europe getting involved

Double check to see if I translated this correctly

If they didn't fight, they would be dead. They were willing to take the chance because they were desperate. Think about it: If all the people in the world want you dead, would you fight back for your live or would you let the world kill you like a cuck?

Bastards could have pulled it off if they had dedicated more manpower to Operation Sea Lion

>The labor certificates were used to buy goods and were a de facto currency though, right?

yes, but they were not in every day circulation like the Rentenmark

>Did they ever abolish the labor certificates and switch to just the Reichsmark?

there was much barter, there also was the Rentenmark. The certificated was mainly used by the big banks, companies (Mefo Wechsel)

>Did the Reichsmark ever recover?

No

>I know Hitler didn't use a gold standard, he said each a unit of labor should back each issued [currency] (presumably the labor certificate).

he indeed said it, but it had no meaning, the Reichsmark was printed without being backed by anything.

watch in full if you are interested in NS economy
youtube.com/watch?v=6hFMHJ2ZQns

>Why didn't Hitler remove the stock exchange from the economy?

Why would he? he didn't nationalize private property and encouraged the founding of joint stock corporations.

Some polacks say
>imagine a world without Hitler, he damaged the reputation of nationalism and conservatism forever

But I say imagine a world without the UdSSR, where the only known form of socialism was the national socialism that turned Germany from a debt ridden, depressive loser meme into the mightiest nation on the entire planet
Imagine what the German scientist and engineers could have achieved with more time and resources.
Imagine the only ones holding socialist believes being some social outcasts, some freaks obsessed with marx and Engels.
And not a considerable part of whole nations populations, Advocating for basic income, free shit for everyone etc.

>dreifache nummern geprüft

Do you have any more resources on this?

Wait the traditional socialists/communists (by that I mean in contrast to today's progressive liberals) fought because they wanted free shits too? I thought it is because they want a society that is controlled by the workers in the principle of "from each according to ability, to each according to needs"?

Maybe they weren't trying to fight the entire world and had other goals.

Indeed it's important to differentiate the socialisms, and hopefully one day the jewish socialisms will be erased from the history books.

These jewish influence "socialists " seem to always revolve around either wanting Less work, or More of the pie.

I've become a firm believer in nat soc because I believe in sacrificing for the good of the women and children of the nation and its intended people- and as a man I am given back an Unrivaled pride in what we accomplish, in our nation. I don't want less work or more * things *

I'm on the phone right now on my way home and I don't have my headphones with me.
Sry leafbro
I'll tend to it when I'm home, but this thread will probably be archived by then.

>Do you have any more resources on this?

what exactly do you wish to know?
Adam Tooze. The Wages of Destruction: The Making and Breaking of the Nazi Economy is worth a read.

Invading Yugoslavia and putting Barbarossa off for 5 weeks was the major mistake. If Franco had joined and taken Gibraltar that would have helped. Maybe if Hitler had aided Iraq more in driving out the British.

On the paper yes.
How well that worked out you can see st the Soviet union and several middle and south American countries.

When first learning about it I found it very confusing to hear that Spain didn't bother helping any side in ww2 considering how close the Spanish junta and the nsdap were

Another important note is currently Russia holds the record for most wealth inequality in the world.
110 billionares hold 35% of the nations wealth.
What does this mean?
Communism does not touch the spirit, it does not invoke any True feelings in a man- it's reliant upon force and materialistic appeasement.

China is similar, a very materialistic post-communist society.

Materialistic peoples actually adopt communism as they see it as a means to get more things via * getting a fairer share of the pie theyre not getting *

Communists are fucking disgusting, synonymous with capitalists.

Germany could never beat the 3 strongest countries in the world alone, even if Germany and her allies never made a mistake, they simply did not have the resources to win the war.

>When first learning about it I found it very confusing to hear that Spain didn't bother helping any side in ww2 considering how close the Spanish junta and the nsdap were

Spain and the NS were not close, Spain was neutral and only sent volunteers (Blue Division). Spain also rescued as many Jews as it could.

Considering Germany rarely asked for help and allowed its allies to willingly make the choice to join its ventures. Spain just chose not to I guess.
But this is a giant weakness for Germany not to ask for help at all, as we saw with Japan- if Germany more proactively attempted to get Japan to focus on Soviet Union and join it in war- Japan surely would not have engaged U.S.A with the assumption Germany was fine.

What a shame that the weakness of pride put a communication barrier between two proud countries that made the war impossible.

>if Germany more proactively attempted to get Japan to focus on Soviet Union and join it in war- Japan surely would not have engaged U.S.A with the assumption Germany was fine.

have you ever read a book about German-Japanese relationships? Apparently not, if you had you'd know Germany had broken the treaty with Japan, the cabinet Kiichiro resigned, and with him the army faction in Japan lost influence, the naval faction won influence, latter was the driving force behind the conquest of those colonies European powers and the USA had in Asia.

I want to consume information on how to effectively run a non-manipulated economy, an economy to the benefit of the people where the possibility of each individual increasing their own wealth is maximized with the only checks being to prevent financial power monopolies from forming.

Hitler's economy is a case study of how capitalism frees people to create wealth of their own accord, but the artificial demand for everything (through rearmament) needs to be replaced in modern times to achieve the same sort of massive growth effect but without creating such a massive military apparatus.

Is there any information out there about the "overheating" of Germany's economy?

Don't naziboos say he was pre-empting an invasion?

youtube.com/watch?v=t6o84NU9Ees

I'd like to more on this if there are any here.

know*

>I want to consume information on how to effectively run a non-manipulated economy, an economy to the benefit of the people where the possibility of each individual increasing their own wealth is maximized with the only checks being to prevent financial power monopolies from forming.

Hm, the closest one would be the Austrian school of national economics, but that is far from being perfect. You should listen/read as much as possible from Prof. Bagus, Hülsmann, Polleit
youtube.com/watch?v=6WU2_H2Bigc

>Hitler's economy is a case study of how capitalism frees people to create wealth of their own accord,

sorry, but that's rubbish. It was ultra interventionist and Keynesianist.

>but the artificial demand for everything (through rearmament) needs to be replaced in modern times to achieve the same sort of massive growth effect but without creating such a massive military apparatus.

Well the whole economy of the 3rd Reich was designed to allow a fast as possible re-armament. re-armament to the width (Breitenrüstung) rather an a re-armament in depth (Tiefenrüstung).

>Is there any information out there about the "overheating" of Germany's economy?

Economy was strictly regulated and no boom-bust cycle took place.
wollheim-memorial.de/de/wirtschaftspolitische_rahmenbedingungen_von_zwangsarbeit

Ashkenazis are white too.

> It was ultra interventionist and Keynesianist.

In what industries did they intervene the most?

Doesn't Keynesianism follow boom-bust cycles inherently though?

How exactly is what you said disproving anything I said? You're going into details of something I simply generalized

Luckily the term " white " doesn't actually mean anything and just exists to further detach colonials from Europe.

>In what industries did they intervene the most?

there was no untouched industry, naturally the heavy industry was of particular interest.

>Doesn't Keynesianism follow boom-bust cycles inherently though?

Yes, but it takes time, also busts can be prevented or at least delayed by massive interventions, see today's ECB interventions.

>How exactly is what you said disproving anything I said? You're going into details of something I simply generalized

it disproved any single point. If you had read some basic stuff you wouldn't have made those remarks. "What if" scenarios are irrelevant anyway.

this
t./his/

>see today's ECB interventions.

That is a whole different disaster what those shitheads are doing in Brussels.

When do you think the ECB's efforts will become futile and the 18T (or 14T depending on UK membership) $ GDP behemoth of the EU economy will crash into new depths?

So then what did happen with the average German in the 1930s?

Did they see real increases in wealth, purchasing power, etc?

>what were they thinking

Literally, muh master race.

Racists: getting fire-bombed and nuked since 1943. Feels good man.

>Japs and Germans claim racial superiority, get whacked senseless by Slavs and American mutts

Pottery.

Ofc they were close
Wehrmacht soldiers helped Francos regime during the years before the war and did a lot to aid Franco on his way to power.
And while it's true Germany never asked for help, it should have been natural to help for Spain.

It didn't disprove anything.
Italy nor Japan knew of operation barbarossa and when it occurred no one was asked to help and when Mussolini was told it happened he then declared war alongside Germany and was never asked to do so.
Japan was not informed either, and didn't decide to join after the fact like Italy did.

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>That is a whole different disaster what those shitheads are doing in Brussels.

it actually isn't. Massive publis debts and printing more money to keep it afloat too.

>When do you think the ECB's efforts will become futile and the 18T (or 14T depending on UK membership) $ GDP behemoth of the EU economy will crash into new depths?

It won't be a 1923 Weimar Republic scenario where you get your salary in a wheelbarrow full of paper bills. We will be dispossessed by a permanent inflation and negative interest rates. It already began de.euribor-rates.eu/
Next (in 10+ years) will be cashless payments only.

>So then what did happen with the average German in the 1930s?

you must be more specific.

>Did they see real increases in wealth, purchasing power, etc?

compared to the big depression 1929+ yes, but not compared to pre deflation times.

>Ofc they were close

there was no alliance or formal agreement.

>Wehrmacht soldiers helped Francos regime during the years before the war and did a lot to aid Franco on his way to power.

undisputed, but this did not lead to an alliance as Spain remained neutral.

>And while it's true Germany never asked for help, it should have been natural to help for Spain.

Spain sent the Blue Division, volunteers until 1943.

They should have occupied Gibraltar, that would have give them an enormous advantage in the mediterranean. And the italians should have invaded Malta

>It didn't disprove anything.

then maybe you read it again?

>Italy nor Japan knew of operation barbarossa and when it occurred no one was asked to help and when Mussolini was told it happened he then declared war alongside Germany and was never asked to do so.

yes, and? Italy rather was seen as a burden since the Balkan adventure. And defense treaties mean there only is an obligation to assist in the case a treaty partner is attacked by another power, which didn't happen.

>Japan was not informed either, and didn't decide to join after the fact like Italy did.

For the reasons I told you.

>compared to the big depression 1929+ yes, but not compared to pre deflation times.

Did they have any extensive programs for constructing housing?

I know that Hitler effectively ended moral degeneracy (banning drugs and prostitution) and replaced it with a new image of the German Volk.

How far did the construction of the Volksgemeinschaft get before the war tore it all apart?

>We will be dispossessed by a permanent inflation and negative interest rates. It already began

Yeah I saw that they are essentially charging people for having money now, starting at 250k € iirc.

Its going to be literally impossible to get property.

>Next (in 10+ years) will be cashless payments only.

You think that the sheeple in Europe will accept this?

What about the EU army, the documents for which are supposed to be released tomorrow.

RRRRRRAAAAAAARRRRRRRREEEEEEEEE

>but the artificial demand for everything (through rearmament) needs to be replaced in modern times to achieve the same sort of massive growth effect but without creating such a massive military apparatus

Space. Just for the sake of the resources up there. Might give small landlocked nations like ours an economical edge.

(Plus, imagine if we could redirect asteroids to hostile countries...)

>Might give small landlocked nations like ours an economical edge.

Our country is parked in a fucking awful spot to launch rockets from. We cannot construct a traditional space port here (safety concerns being the primary problem).

I'm pretty sure Baikonor cosmodrome has a designated crash zone for rocket debris / failed launches half the size of our country.

Besides, the only enormous artificial demand I see in the space exploration complex is fuel and we don't have an ocean to extract hydrogen/oxygen from (not to mention an electrolysis facility only employs around 50 highly skilled workers).

We will continue doing what we have been doing:

selling sophisticated state-of-the-art equipment across the globe.

It would be smarter to depopulate this nation (which was happening naturally).

Yes the reasons you told me, which doesn't disprove what I was saying since I'm saying they didn't work together.

>Did they have any extensive programs for constructing housing?

yes, mainly for families, but also big infrastructure projects.

>I know that Hitler effectively ended moral degeneracy (banning drugs and prostitution) and replaced it with a new image of the German Volk.

that's naive, the NS dictatorship was a party and bonk society, birth control and brothels continued to exist. Jews like Fromm were dispossessed, but his condom factory was not closed.
de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Julius_Fromm

>How far did the construction of the Volksgemeinschaft get before the war tore it all apart?

the Volksgemeinschaft is an abstract term, overall the party was well organized, especially during the war.

>Yeah I saw that they are essentially charging people for having money now, starting at 250k € iirc.

this is just the beginning. I wonder why nobody is worried about that - except a small bunch of libertarians.

>Its going to be literally impossible to get property.

if you want gold, better get it now. Also it rather aims at your savings.

>You think that the sheeple in Europe will accept this?

So far they did accept anything.

>What about the EU army, the documents for which are supposed to be released tomorrow.

a self-sustaining foreign legion for American imperial interests.

you implied there (1941) had been a base for cooperation after Germany had broken the Anticomintern treaty with Japan (1939).

>It would be smarter to depopulate this nation (which was happening naturally).

Then we should focus on automatization like the Nips.

(We should conquer Somalia, they have a nice spot for space stuff, right on the equator, ideal for a trade port, the ocean.

Would a tourist yacht being taken by pirates be a casus belli?)

>I wonder why nobody is worried about that

I couldn't tell you.

Nor can I express my disappointment and fears in the fact that the European people these days are like jello. You push your finger into the side of it, and it just bounces back. They just accept everything the EU throws onto their plate.

250k € is a fortune for most Europeans.

>Also it rather aims at your savings.

Right, but in the current economic weather you'll be saving for years before you can afford any sort of garbage-tier property. The constant loss of purchasing power (around 50% in the last 15 years) has already complicated this.

>a self-sustaining foreign legion for American imperial interests.

Good thing I failed to pass psychological testing for the military here, or will I get conscripted a second time by Brussels after they deem my national government inadequate?

Can't believe people will be sent to die for an internationalist cabal and willingly accept it.

You wouldn't happen to be the guy from pic related, would you?

>Then we should focus on automatization like the Nips.

Robots are coming. We need to accommodate our economy and our population, with the doctrine that every job a robot replaces must have a low human-interest in employment. Consequently the population must be reduced as machines takeover more and more basic labor jobs. Work done by machines needs to be taxed somehow as well (since machines serve us).

>We should conquer Somalia

Our current state treaty says that that is illegal currently.

In order to conquer Somalia (a country with a larger population than our own) we would need to militarize around 500,000 men and then probably commit genocide in order to secure the land and prevent interbreeding.

Another issue with Somalia is that it's packed with muslim extremists. Hostile takeover of that "nation" would be very difficult.

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Yes I implied cooperation was required and it didn't happen.

soviets really struggled with team nokia
so you never know

>I couldn't tell you.

mass indoctrination, dumbing down and general apathy.

>Nor can I express my disappointment and fears in the fact that the European people these days are like jello. You push your finger into the side of it, and it just bounces back. They just accept everything the EU throws onto their plate.

A friend of mine just took off for Hungary to check out the situation there, others plan to move away too (USA, not Hungar ythough).

>250k € is a fortune for most Europeans.

I know, but once there is no cash anymore, any bank account is affected by negative interest rates.

>Right, but in the current economic weather you'll be saving for years before you can afford any sort of garbage-tier property. The constant loss of purchasing power (around 50% in the last 15 years) has already complicated this.

I know, but even blatant theft doesn't serve as wake-up call...

>Good thing I failed to pass psychological testing for the military here, or will I get conscripted a second time by Brussels after they deem my national government inadequate?

No idea, unlikely if you are not in the reserve. There are enough Abduls and cuck zealots that eagerly would join though.

>Can't believe people will be sent to die for an internationalist cabal and willingly accept it.

cattle is treated like cattle.

>You wouldn't happen to be the guy from pic related, would you?

which pic?

Seems we find a disposal method for all those immigrants, sending them into a meatgrinder.

>I know, but even blatant theft doesn't serve as wake-up call...

What the fuck has gone this wrong man.

>which pic?

Honestly, I'm surprised that a thread like this caused such a great dialogue.

Usually it's just pickering between Poles and Brits and Germans.

>Seems we find a disposal method for all those immigrants, sending them into a meatgrinder.

enough of those hate Russia anyway.

>What the fuck has gone this wrong man.

ppl rather trust the devil they know than the devil they don't know

no, it is full of basic errors

True, really great argument here.

Guess all the shitposters are on the leave threads

God damn, we surrender almost last.

>tfw when stopped 15 miles west of Moskau because Italy had to get defeated by grease

damn greaseballs

>ppl rather trust the devil they know than the devil they don't know

That's true.

Does the Reich march on in your heart?

Hitler had gotten away with pretty much everything for a number and years and got overconfident.
Remember that he didn't declare war on UK, they and France declared war on Germany over Poland. Hitler thought they would sit back and watch again, as they had done with Czechoslovakia, the anschluss of Austria etc.
It was never his plan for the allies to intervene.