DAW thread

DAW thread.
Live 10 is out and it is great. Why haven't you switched to Ableton, user?
>the intro edition has all of the tools youll need and its only $100
>great ui
>great plugins
>great support

because logic pro x is better

is the cracked version stable enough yet or should I wait a bit longer?

because now that bitwig has elastique there is no reason for live to exist

get a job and buy it ya fuckin freeloader

/thread

Ableton is hot garbage, and I've use it quite a bit. Pro Tools is far superior.

good point!
I'm totally paying for it now

The cracked version is not stable. I suggest that you just pay for it my man.

>Lite edition
>all the tools i need
yup
unless you use Max for Live, fucker wants activation from me

If you used Ableton quite a bit you'd know it and Pro Tools aren't designed for the same purpose.

Both of you are retarded and incorrect on so many levels.

Yeah. It literally has all the features you will n e e d to produce. Then you install plugins for better sounds, and more features if you wish.

Fucking false.

fl studio is fucking trash which we can all agree upon

Right right my mistake, I had forgotten that PT is for serious musicians while Ableton is designed for brainlet EDM "composers".

I see,
any interesting changes from 9?

Yeah. The UI had a large overhaul and the tools are a bit different now.

>pt
>serious musicians
Yeah right.
>ableton
>edm composers
Death Grips uses Ableton. Let that sink in.

Don't buy into the illusion, is DAW is simply a tool. it's not about your sword lads it's how you weild it.

thank (you)

>Death Grips uses Ableton. Let that sink in.
dg isn't good or serious

you can save what midi notes you played even if you didn't press record (capture function), super useful for me
max for live works better and faster now (it works even on pirated, you just can't edit and save patches)
you can tag everything now by colors (plugins, samples)
i like the GUI changes

Exactly why you go with Ableton. Other DAWs are more expensive.

I duno man the full version is like 700 bucks. that's a lot to me

It's literally the industry standard you fucking fag. Also
>Death Grips uses it
And? Last I checked Death Grips wasn't exactly a testament to quality.

I'm going to fight you.

Garage band, Abelton, Logic, Bitwig, Reason, Frooty Loops,
all the same thing essentially. If you suck at music you suck at music.

The essentials that you need, which are literally all you need, - $100.

(you) too

>recommending intro edition as enough
maybe if you are brand new to using a daw but you will outgrow it pretty quick

i use Cubase because its what i learned on don't feel a need to switch

No. You can literally expand upon the intro version using third party plugins, which are better than the plugins that come with the two other versions.

majority of musicians are always using older versions of the software.
if they dont buy why should we?

all this shit is too mainstream
i mix trax in audacity using sounds i stole off of youtube
get on my level

Live is good. Never lost a project in a crash. and ive had my computer completely shut off mid work no save. and boom Live's got you senpai.

but you still have track limitations 16 in intro version

care to elaborate why you think ableton is better than logic? specifically in terms of features and capabilities, not cost and compatibility.

Yeah, true. Most people don't do anything that tax you more than 16 tracks anyway though.

They are pretty much the same, but Ableton's UI is better (in my opinion, at least) because Logic Pro X's is super uncomfortable to me.

Yep. Gotta love Papa Ableton. You gonna update to 10?

I actually use FL
Dont whip me too hard

i use maschine, maschine is the best daw

kill yourself

We are no longer arguing about Ableton vs. Logic Pro X or whatever.
This is now, once again, a general DAW thread.

personally i think Logic's UI is much more clearly laid out than Ableton's, in a way that makes it easy for new producers to get to grips with not only the DAW but music production in general. Ableton's UI has too much unnecessary info cluttering up the screen imo and it makes it very daunting to learn.

for example:
>the inspector window acting as a virtual channel strip, and containing all the information you need regarding that specific track or region (busses, plugins, midi effects, etc)
>the arrangement window showing only the information you need to arrange your tracks
>the piano roll being miles ahead of ableton's
>the ability to freeze tracks and hide them in order to save resources and screen space
>being able to create track stacks to organise your parts, as well as summing stacks so you can apply effects to multiple tracks without having to use busses

i actually did try to switch to ableton because i heard the workflow is much quicker, due to the keyboard shortcuts and the fact that you don't need to open plugin windows in order to tweak parameters, as well as knob assignments being generally quicker and simple to do. but the clutter was a big red flag for me and i never got used to it, so i went back.

I like how cluttered it is. I switched from FL to Ableton because of this. Wide open UIs intimidate me, even though I have been at this for years. Ableton is closed in and it is nice and cozy.

Whatever floats your boat, though.

fuck i should have proof-read that last post. the examples are meant to be a list of advantages logic has over ableton.

fair enough, i can understand that once you're totally used to the DAW, it can be incredibly useful to have all of that information at your fingertips. with open UIs there's the added difficulty of having to figure out where all the info is stored and how to bring up certain windows. so yeah, i get that

Yeah. I also just generally like more closed in spaces in real life too. It's funny, because I used to have claustrophobia when I was a kid.

best free synth plugins?

Has anyone here tried making their own DAW?

hah, i'm the opposite. i find open, minimalist aesthetics incredibly soothing and easy on the senses when it's done right

>using free plugins
there are very few good free plugins imo. i just pirate the good ones

Yeah. I see you as a No Love Deep Web fan. I am a The Money Store fan. They constrast so well. TMS focused on high pitched synths, cluttered percussion, and obscure samples. NLDW used two samples on the whole album, had very minimalist percussion, and had low-pitched and heavy synths.

AGAIN, GENERAL DAW THREAD. DISCUSS.

lol i actually enjoyed Exmilitary more than any dg album because of its raw and unrefined sound. i suppose i was talking in visual terms when i said i like minimalist aesthetics.
i did enjoy tms a little more than nldw though. i generally like more detailed and complex music, to an extent. the deep grooving basslines in nldw had me hooked though.

>expecting threads to stay on topic
hi newfriend

I don't use Sup Forums a lot. I stick on Sup Forums mainly.

what happens to all of my custom remote scripts when I upgrade from live 9 to live 10?

NERRRRRRRRRRRRRD

Nothing.

>calling me a nerd
>when you literally sit around on Sup Forums all day defending the beatles and shilling for mgmt

Where did you find the cracked version?

*biggest trend of the decade that your favorite producer is almost 100 percent certain to have used at least once was lifted from a black man who used fl studio*
Heh, nothin personnel kid

www.ableton.com
$100.

just pirate ableton what can you even do on the lite version

FL is a kid's toy. It's why all trap producers use it. They have no real musical talent.

rutracker/5518990

>projecting this hard
the beatles are boring dadrock and mgmt is just nostalgia-baiting retroshit for art hoes

yep
anyone can learn to use the channel rack

Are you 40 and learned about fl when it first came out? You're stuck in the past like an old man dinosaur producer that you probably are. The most influential sound of the decade (trap) was honed and perfected on fl studio. Every producer who uses trap drums must worship at the altar of Lex Luger, as they owe it all to him. Funny how it's a kids toy but everyone copies the sound that came from it. Many chart topping hits have been made on fl studio. Just face it. You're a bad producer, it doesn't matter what daw you're using. You like to focus on the minutia of what daw is better or worse while everyone else just makes music.

Trap is shit. Classic hip-hop is better.

It doesn't matter whether trap is shit or not. Nice deflection though

Yeah. It's a kid's toy. Anyone can use it to make shitty trap beats. I.E. why trap has taken over the market. No musical talent involved.

And ableton reason or logic somehow requires more skill? Lmao

They require 10x as much skill as FL.

yes
see, to use those daws, you need to actually know what you are doing

whatever you have to say about fl studio, i think we can agree that its drum sequencer is the most terribly designed piece of shit - aesthetically speaking - to have ever stained the white bed sheets of music production

No, they don't. I've used all 3. You've just got your panties in a bunch about nothing. My guess is you don't actually make good music so you need to focus on dumb things like what daw people are using. You can't even deny that the most influential sound of the decade came from a producer who used FL. That's a fact.

Yep. No talent required. The channel rack requires no skill.

Remember guys, skill required=how good your music is. (Even though ableton is no more difficult to learn than fl, and many people have claimed it to be easier to learn)

I've used a variety of DAW programs, the skill required is unimportant. You should be using whatever fits your needs and creative workflow best. If I want to make a simple dance track I'll make it in FL. If I want to record something with live instruments I'll use Pro Tools or Ableton. Every DAW has a unique approach and its own set of limitations. These limitations are good and will streamline your creative flow in a specific direction.

Why did Ableton get so popular? For loops and shit, sure it's fine, but for making your own stuff, I can't think of a worse DAW.

Abletons workflow and UI is praised for how "easy to use" it is. I've heard many ableton users say Fl studios interface is difficult to navigate and hard to find things you wanna do. So there is a portion of ableton users who basically completely contradict what you're saying. What do you say to that? They specifically sighted how loading up sounds automatically goes to a mixer track, where with fl you have to assign it.

They make a lot of midi controllers. And made max/msp which is the first thing people will bring up when they talk about "next level" DAWs. They literally have a monopoly which is why I don't feel bad about pirating their stuff.

>ableton
>made max/msp

shig

Reason user here. Roast me

we would but no body needs a fucking Reason

>the Reddit of DAWs

Reaper masterrace

even before it, bitwig was better. algorithmic time stretching is mostly a tool for lazy, uninteresting producers.

>dg isn't good or serious
dg is good, and literally who cares if any musician is serious about anything they do

the best thing about 10 is that a midi note will finally activate no matter where you begin playback from
literally the most intuitive thing but it took 10 versions to get it right

So I switched to Ableton 9 from pirated Logic a couple months ago.
Just feel like I got the hang of it and organized all my files, but now I have the free upgrade.

Is there anything I need to know before upgrading? Do I have to re organize all my projects and samples?

Sorry if questions are stupid, Ableton still feels different to me but the Abe 10 Ui has a very maschine-y vibe so I think it’ll feel more comfortable than 9.

i just got this (pic related)
what DAW should i use?

i haven't came to Sup Forums in like 5 years and now i remember why.

The cracked version is completely stable.

it should just have them there when you install 10

t. Russian hacker

thanks, upgrading

no

i love Live 10, works beautifully with Push 2.
seconded, the 10.0.1 crack is completely fine