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ableton master-race

Have you upgraded to 10 yet?

maschine is shit
can everyone agree or do we have a maschine user in our area

Is the Ableton PUSH 2 worth it?

yes unless you are too used to keyboard

What is the worse DAW you can think of, anons?

...

Logic Pro X.

Oh shit, that looks fucking gross.

lmms or reason

It's pretty shitty for electronic or loop based music, but I don't see anything wrong with it for anything else. It has good amp modeling.

Yeah, and there are people who produce trap with it. How do you produce trap with a DAW that's bad at loop based beats. Good god, could you be any worse at choosing your tool?

Should I try to learn Ableton, Sup Forums? I've been fucking around for a while in auxy (a pretty good micro-DAW on my iOS) and I'd like to take things to the next step.
I produced some stuff in FL some years back, but I hear Ableton is waaay different. Anybody got tips on where to find tutorials?

Yes. Get Ableton Live 10 and learn it. It is totally worth it, super fucking useful. Great DAW. Probably best DAW of all time. You won't regret it.

what genre of music do you produce?

Is 10 a serious improvement over 9?

Yes. It is. A large UI overhaul and the features have been improved.

is suite worth buying? I make instrumental hip hop

No. Hip-hop literally only requires intro. Buying suite for hip-hop is a waste of a couple hundred bucks. You won't use more than 9 tracks at max to make hip-hop.

just pirate everything until you start making serious money

Socialist spotted.

the instruments and fx in suite aren't that great really youre better off getting standard and using 3rd party synths/fx

FL TILL I DIE YOU FUCKING IDIOTS ALL YOU NEED ARE TRACKS TO RECORD ON NOTHING MORE LMAO I ALSO HAVE 2 PORTASTUDIOS GET YOUR HEAD OUT OF YOUR ASS WITH THAT "oooo but my workfloww"

the ceo of ableton pretty much endorses piracy

FL is literally a fucking kid's toy. Don't you just love it when you spend 10 minutes exporting a 5 minute track in FL and a portion of it didn't export correctly?

Fuck FL. FL is for faggot fucking EDM producers and mentally retarded trap producers. Get your head out of your ass with that "BUT MY UI".

>You won't use more than 9 tracks at max

You're completely retarded, stop talking about things you've got no idea about lmao

they let it happen on purpose so you get hooked on live and they know a good amount will end up paying

I like to make garage house and future garage, mostly.

Hip-hop literally only requires 5, really.
One track for the percussion (if you make a kit out of the sounds you are using) and 4 tracks for other instruments and synths.

lol

which kind of hip hop
made on a atari or made by an amateur

drums 1
drums 2
percussion 1
percussion 2
chords 1
chords 2
chords 3
chords 4
lead 1
lead 2
lead 3
lead 4
fx 1
fx 2
fx 3
fx 4
bass 1
bass 2

and this is basically an entry level setup

Any good places to start learning Ableton? I'm still a noob, despite owning Live 9 Intro.

It's true. And you won't even end up using only MIDI tracks. Hip-hop relies on sampling heavily, so you have the audio tracks to plug samples into too.

you're clearly just trying to provoke lol

To be an overrated lo-fi producer on YT (like Joji), you literally will only be using 4 or 5 tracks. Slow, heavy, boring percussion. A piano sample (with you will plug into audio). Maybe a bassline. And some fucking fake vinyl FX (which will also be in audio).

just start making part of a song and figure out the skills you need to achieve these "micro-goals". ie.
Ok i want to make some drums. i got the samples, where do I place em? Oh cool drum rack, alright how do i record this pattern etc.
learn just enough to translate an idea.

Before you learn, grab your free update to 10 so you are up to date and you can learn with 10.

Yeah but who really needs to do this besides of him

I've got a discography of 150+ tracks...

its only free for people who bought any version of live 9 after October 2

more like unableton

Oh shit. Sorry mang. I would suggest buying Live 10 intro just so you can be up to date, but if you can't right now, Live 9 still isn't out of date in any sense, Live 10 only came out 2 weeks ago.

*Disableton.
Also, butthurt FL fanboy detected.

I pirated ableton, went online and now I can't export audio. How do I fix it? Plus do I have to download 10 or can I update pirated 9?

Reaper is the best daw you can pirate

I bought a license for it lol

>"i went online and now i cant export"
Probably a shit crack.
>"can i update a cracked version?"
>mfw I read this
It is cracked, user. While bypassing registering the copy and getting it for free, you have made your copy of the software void of updates and upgrades.

>ableton users

I work in a studio so I use Pro Tools. Honestly surprised nobody else has mentioned it, it stopped being a buggy pile of shit once 11 came out

Just got pic related what DAW should i use

You suck at producing's videos are good

bump

Mixcraft 7
Been using mixcraft since number 5. I'm pretty content with 7. It's easy to look at, easy to learn, and pretty powerful under the hood.

Ableton. Big leap from using Sony Acid Pro in High School.

Live 10 is a retarded update. Ableton is a dead company. They haven't made any meaningful updates in years and the idea that long time users who have spent thousands of dollars on ableton software should now spend 300$ to get the absurdly insignifigant updates in 10 is ridiculous. You can tell the company has gone to absolute shit by their marketing. They've gone full muh-dversity. The silly anti-gravity dreads black guy they got to do the initial live 10 demos didn't even know basic shit about the software - basic features that have been in the DAW for like 10 years. They regularly have GYA PEOPLE SO COOL, ME LUV BLACK PEEPO marketing bullshit on their front page. That's a company that's out of ideas. Update your fucking MIDI roll editing tools. I don't care how many black people you employ. Dead DAW. Sad because it has a few very useful features not implemented in other DAWS except Bitwig which is super glitchy.

logic pro 9 all day, still can outproduce you plens

seconding this, his channel is really good for absolute production noobs. he tries to avoid the typical production jargon that can put a lot of people off at first, as well as putting his own amusing spin on it.

what's your opinion on logic?

Holy fuck, how is this blatant shilling even allowed?

He has none its just autistic screeching about black people

I've never owned it. Friends who produce a lot like it. Seems sub optimal for electronic music. There was a horrible glitch with automation that wasn't fixed for a long time. Not sure if that's fixed. It gets updates very often so that's good. Overall seems like a good choice for band tracking, real instruments, type work and I think it's cheaper than other full fledged professional DAWs.

For electronic music Ableton is the best despite the complaints I made. I'm just very frustrated that it looks like the company is dead and will never make meaninful updates again or fix the loads of very substantial problems people have been complaining about for years and years. The rack system and Max For Live still make it the best tool for electronic production IMO (unless you can get bitwig to work without glitches).

If I was buying another DAW I would buy Cubase for the superior MIDI editing tools.

Renoise, because i am better than everyone else.

t. hobbyist that purchased ableton once

steinberg is not very good at listening to customers but Cubase is comfy for midi

I've been using the biggest available versions of Live for 10+ years and have updated multiple times. There are serious problems with the DAW. The company is totally unresponsive to the needs of the users and is completely focused on cash grabs like Push, and selling their shit to dumb kiddies with a second rate wavetable synth.

just got push a week or so ago and its really fucking amazing. The people who designed it are fucking geniuses, the thing is so immediately accessible and functional its crazy. Highly recommend. Once you get used to it you can essentially write and mix an entire song without looking at your computer screen.

ok fair enough, i'm thinking of switching to ableton since i'm gonna be making bleeps primarily and i wasn't sure if the learning curve was worth it.
i mean logic is a very good DAW; it's clearly and intuitively laid out, with what seems to be a focus on making it as easy to learn as possible. it's just lacking some of the "under-the-hood" capabilities that ableton seems to have

i'm pirating live 10 right now. is it worth the upgrade? considering that i'm not paying a penny for it

Aside from the live clip launching aspect, the rack system and Max For Live are the only advantages of Ableton but depending on what you are doing, that could be substantial. Racks allow you to do make very complex parallel signal chains, within a single track very easily. Max For Live offers really useful ways of modulating parameters. That's about it.

The one worthwhile feature added to Live 10 is viewing multiple midi at once on one piano roll. If that's really important to you, maybe it's worth it. If you already have a functioning cracked version of 9.x I would just keep that and avoid the hassle but I never pirate so I don't really know how easy/inconvenient it is to get things working and stable.

Absolutely retarded money grab from a company that has stopped giving a shit. If you want to make very simple dance music that you can tap into a step sequencer, and you have too much money that you just really want to spend, maybe Push is actually a good idea for you. If you want to do anything more ambitious in terms of composition and arrangement, Push is worthless.

I'm glad Ableton exists
FL annoyed me too much
Pro Tools "industry standard" status is a meme for what it actually is
LMMS is an absolute joke
Cubase is a lot better than people say
Logic is alright to good
Reaper is underrated
Reason is also nice
Bitwig comparable to Ableton but has some growing to to do

>viewing multiple midi at once
I can do that on Logic by just selecting all the MIDI regions I want to see but I don't really use it that often.
Also editing audio and chopping up samples in Logic is really tedious and convoluted so I'm hoping ableton can improve on that.
Also I would find the rack system kind of useless unless I'm using primarily Ableton's built-in plugins. I get that you can assign two parameters from 3rd party plugins into an XY plane but that doesn't really seem like enough for me.
oh shit I just remembered you can throw as many parameters as you want into that little box so forget what I just said about the racks

Has anyone tried Studio One, and if so, what did you think? I'm fluent in Ableton, but I don't make strictly electronic music, and some of the features on Studio One seem like they'd be great for creativity. Mainly pic related.

So I'm trying to use ableton but learning it is pretty hard, is there a guide on how to learn it? I use reaper right now because it just feels a bit easier to use but I feel like learning ableton better would be good it's just really hard

what kind of music are you looking to make? and do you work primarily with synths/midi or audio and samples?

hmm, i've never heard of studio one but this has me interested. seconding this from a logic user's perspective

The rack system really has nothing to do with the XY plane. That's standard with every instance of every 3rd party plugin you use, and isn't a feature of the racks. Effect racks are mainly for letting you run audio through multiple parallel effect chains & for saving combinations of effect chains you like for easy access. They save the settings in 3rd party plugins as well as native ones. Same thing for instrument racks - you can run multiple VSTi's in parallel from a single MIDI clip, each with their own levels, panning, and effects (or both running through the same effect chain), and save each of their settings for quick recall. It's also nice just to be able to pull up your saved presets from the Ableton menu without having to search through each VST individually.

A random example of a way I've used a rack is to separate an audio signal into separate frequency bands (using EQ-three for crossovers) and effect each one differently. You can basically do whatever your imagination comes up with as far as routing audio.

I'm more so looking at recording live instruments, guitar/drums/vocal music, I have some synths it's all hardware/mic'd though no midi, I have a two 1/4" input audio interface to use. I'm more so interested in using it as a multi track recorder but I'm also interested in making sample based music it's just lower on my priority scale

Long tim Ableton user. I've been looking at Studio One for a while. It has great features for timeline editing. It's still using a 32 bit float summing system while most other major DAWs are now running 64 bit summing, but if it nulls with other good DAWs that doesn't matter, but I've never seen a null test. I may end up buying it and basically using Ableton as an instrument alongside Studio One as the actual recorder/DAW just because ableton is so shit for arranging and recording.

you would probably find Logic very comfortable, but seeing as there's the barrier of having to buy a Mac, that's not the best advice to give right now.
at the same time, Ableton's session view would be useful when recording and experimenting with different layers, although it's loop-based so I don't know how compatible that is with your goals.
to be completely honest I think you've chosen the less-than-optimal DAW for your needs since ableton's recording/arranging capabilities are there, but they're more fiddly than they need to be. I can't advocate for it since I've never used it but Studio One looks like something you might be interested in so I'd take a look at that if I were you.
If you'd rather continue using ableton then I don't really have much advice for you in terms of recording live instruments as I'm mainly a soft-synth bleeps n bloops guy

thanks for the info, that looks like something I'd find very useful

>tfw used ableton for years and finally decided to buy it once it was 30% off and came with a free upgrade to 10

t-they got me

thirding YSAP
and if you can find his livestream archives they are a good watch too, usually in the first half he makes a beat out of a random sample somebody sends in and the second half he gives track critique to people.

also Sadowick has a great getting started with ableton series, though its a bit dated by now (but still 95% applicable)

have one and only use it as a midi controller. Software is shit, bulky and uses a ton of processing power.

What is even the point of Maschine? Only person I know who's ever had one already had Ableton.... like.. why don;t you just use the drum racks in ableton... and all the other features...

Does Maschine have some kind of unique selling point?