Why was the LOTR trilogy so fantastic yet the Hobbit Trilogy such a disaster?

Why was the LOTR trilogy so fantastic yet the Hobbit Trilogy such a disaster?

How did they manage to fuck up so bad?

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5 extra years of prep time

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Because Peter Jackson got murdered by the studios and got replaced by Peter Hackson

classically the people that actually made the original LOTR movies good got old and moved on, but since everything was attributed to Jackson so they put him in charge. Also CGI, the same thing that ruined the star wars prequels.

AUJ = great
DoS = average
BofA = dog shit

Didn't these retards just walk up to the set (past security) unannounced and just outright demand to be in the movie or file racism charges?

youtube.com/watch?v=SQkygZdZ_Vk
This video explains alot.

did they also hold the editing room hostage?

Because the actors and film crew actually enjoyed making LOTR. If you look at any behind the scenes or interviews, they were having the times of their lives. And then you move onto The Hobbit, it's just a massive corporate CGI fest that nobody really has any spirit invested into.

Doubt that

The potential was there though thats what hurts most...

is this in the extend version appendices?

are they as extensive and interesting as LOTR's?

probably not as jolly if this is any indication

It tried to emulate LotR

Because they bloated the shit out of the Hobbit. It should have been one movie, 2 max.

Also CGI out of the ass instead of suing camera tricks in the original LOTR

Del Toro pulled out right before production and Jackson had to wing it - even postponing production at one stage - with barely any prep time.

honestly, there is a good 1 or 2 movies worth of content in them if you trim off all the bloated fat

I know that there are a bunch of fan edited versions, but I don't trust any of them because I don't mind some of the additional content that is not in the book of the Hobbit, but is included in LOTR's appendices

>Why was the LOTR trilogy so fantastic yet the Hobbit Trilogy such a disaster?
apart from the obvious
>LOTR is actually a trilogy
>Hobbit is a 50-page book
?

I guess it's
this

I don't know, all I've seen is this video.

Del Taco dropped out of the project and Hackson didn't have much time prepare. The studio then told him he had to make 3 films instead of just 2. They had to shovel in as much shit as possible just to fill time. It never had a chance of being good.

This. It completely misread the tone of The Hobbit and tried to make it into an EPIC XD quest when it ought to have been a fun. exciting little adventure.

Shooting on location vs greenscreen

More like

AUJ = At least it's not insulting

DoS and BofA = dog shit

It wasn't it was mediocre and you ignore everything that's similar in the story and direction and work of lotr that's in the hobbit too

movie #1 suffers the most
half the movie has the book feel
all appendices scenes are completely different in tone, closer to LOTR

movie #2 and #3 did not suffer from that, though, it was just SHIT all over

Damn peter looked fucking depressed while shooting that.

Sean astin was a massive cunt during filming and ian mckellen was kind if a dick too

LOTR trilogy did lots of stupid shit, but it got lots of other shit just right

Hobbit is just shit all over, with tiny glimpses of greatness (Riddles in the dark, anyone?)

AUJ: 5/10
DOS: 2/10
BOTFA: 0/10

pretty much, desu

misty mountains song was based

Jackson was always bad. Original trilogy had many reshoots and RotK has scenes like Legolas killing the giant Elephant on his own which are similiar to bs scenes in the new trilogy.
Jackson was always carried by his team, not unlike George Lucas.

3D and CGI.

Much of LotR was forced aspect stuff - they would carefully put the hobbits behind the humans so they looked smaller, really crafty stuff that hard work but looks amazing.

can't do that with 3D, so they had to CGI stuff.

Also, writing wise, LoTR works in all the scenes that are in the books -- there are a few bad scenes (the Warg attack) but they don't exist in the book, as for the most part they where taking enough materal for six movies, and making three, so if anything they had to cut too much out.

Hobbit, a small book being made into 3 movies, they had to fluff it out. And it just does not work.

second hobbit movie was much better than the first

>The potential was there though thats what hurts most...
bilbo actor was fantastic, great casting, great acting
such a waste

>Production was troubled
>Studios wanting it to be in 3d meant they couldn't use perspective hax like LOTR so we got shit CGI instead
>LOTR was a passion project while Hobbit was fuelled by money
>Stretched a relatively simple children's book into 3 movies

producers decided it should be three movies and then rushed them so there was barely enough time to make one movie, let alone three

Yes, specially Tauriel, the best character of the trilogy

Damn l hate hearing the New Zealand accent recorded

l mean l have a slightly different accent because of the part of the country l grew up in but damn, do we really sound this goofy?

Post the middle finger webm

nice meme!

The difference is that there are more stupid shit in 30 minutes of a Hobbit movie than in the entire LOTR trilogy.

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Basically it all comes down to corporate meddling. LOTR was a passion project which was originally rejected by a lot of studios and, when it finally got accepted, Peter Jackson was given complete creative control. Contrast this with the Hobbit trilogy which were conceived by the studios themselves and, as such, said studios had tons of executive power in its production an release. That's why we got either gimmicky or cringeworthy normie tier film bullshit like:

>Love triangle
>Overabundance of CGI
>None of the dwarves getting any character development
>Reshoots
>Wizard battles and proto Sauron
>Painfully bloated fight scenes
>Bringing Legolas back
>Rushed release

The whole thing was doomed from the start as long as the studios had their finger in the pie

now post gandalf breakdown for completeness

this (and hackson sleeping) should tell you everything you need to know

AuJ = Well, that was pretty bad. At least it can't get worse, right? I'm pretty excited for DoS!
DoS = Holy shit, what the fuck? Jackson, I will fucking murder you.
BotfA = did not watch, will not watch.

Kill yourself.

Agreed, Desolation of Smaug was the best of the 3, but that's not saying much.

He looks so tired on set. Like "What the hell did I get myself into"

Pretty sure he was legally obligated by contract to direct the film. It was pretty obvious he didn't want to be there.

>BotfA = did not watch, will not watch.
it has to be seen to be believed
watch the extended edition too

That godawful barrel scene and Tauriel were enough to make it worse than AUJ

>barrel scene
the point I contemplated suicide for the first time in my life

Is that true? I thought he volunteered to salvage production after Del Toro bailed. I don't think he had to be there, but he was the studio's next pick.

>Tauriel
Lilly almost quit acting over these movies.

>Promised not be a dumb ass love triangle.
>First shoots no love triangle
>We need to reshoot
>Reshoot it into a love triangle

What the fuck? AUJ was simply dull and stupid for the most part, with some good scenes. DOS was all the worst parts of AUJ and then some. The fucking romance between Tauriel and Kili and the scene in the prison "or nothing xD" should be enough to make any Tolkien fan walk out of the theater.

Source?

it was still 2 movies back then.

I think when the studios suddenly changed it to "haha, nope, make it a trilogy" everyone broke down

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I think it was a "vollentold" situation.

Someone post the gold statue webm

I'm just glad they didn't get their hands on The Similarion rights in the end after watching the Hobbit Trilogy. I don't think it'll be long before they get them though, Christopher Tolkien only has a few years left and the family will sell them for a bumper pay day.

if I remember correctly, he got 0 time for prepwork.
He had to start shooting within a month of arriving.

DoS was saved by the Bilbo/Smaug scenes, best scenes in the trilogy

>Bilbo/Smaug scenes, best scenes in the trilogy
>not Bilbo/Gollum
what's wrong with you?

What the fuck am I even watching

I'm just speaking objectively:

rottentomatoes.com/m/the_hobbit_the_desolation_of_smaug

metacritic.com/movie/the-hobbit-the-desolation-of-smaug

It's universally the highest rated of the 3. I only preferred it slightly to the others.

Does anybody have the webm of elves not understanding what a shield wall is for?

Chris' son is protective of the franchise, he'll hold onto it like a jew a coin purse until Middle-Earth becomes public domain in about 20 years.

This. The movies were criticized heavily for their huge use of CGI but there was so little prep time to set up practical effects and sets that they had to rely on CGI. A huge chunk of these films would have been vastly improved if they'd just had even 6 months prep time minimum.

>STABBING IN THE WATER
NAH SON.
Someone actually approved this pre-vis. Fuark.

because Gollum's overacting was annoying

>no qt hobbit gf

Its sad. Because I think that you could make a great 2.5 hour movie out of the whole story.

Cut Thorin backstory, legolas and gandalf entirely and I think all the bilbo focused stuff would fit in one movie.

Hopefully there will be a new animated one in a decade or something. But then again, it'll be nu-cgi instead of comfy ass drawn stuff.

How does Sup Forums feel about Martin Freeman's performance as Bilbo?

>until Middle-Earth becomes public domain in about 20 years.
if Disney keeps succeeding witch fucking copyright-laws, that day may never come

Only good thing about the trilogy along with Gandalf and Smaug's voice.

god-tier in AUJ
can't tell about the other 2, was he even there?

Disney is different, they are above the law

One of the few things that kept it from being dogshit

This raises so many questions

>How are those spinning things fired? Giant ballista?
>Why only use them once? Do they not have more?
>How were they able to perfectly time their use to block the elvish arrow volley?
>Why does your defense against arrows result in a fair number of them being knocked into your own lines when they're dispersed?
>Why not just use shields?

show of hands

how many times during watching LOTR you thought
>holy shit, this looks EXACTLY like I imagined

and how many times during Hobbit?

nope, Disney CHANGES the law
it effects everybody, for better or worse

Pretty good but could have been a little less smarmy. He literally just played Watson from Sherlock.

>Why was the LOTR trilogy so fantastic yet the Hobbit Trilogy such a disaster?

Simple, because of jooos

Legolas' horse looked exactly how I would imagine a bad CGI horse

fucking hell

>l mean l have a slightly different accent because of the part of the country l grew up in but damn, do we really sound this goofy?
dont worry no one respects anglos anyways

Good point user.
Hobbit - 2032
LoTR - 2049


(YFW if we had a nice simple rule of 75 years, Hobbit would be public domain 10 years ago, and LoTR would be public domain in 2020

Smaug
Misty mountains cold
beorns country
Bilbo
Riddles in the dark scene
Smaug and bilbo conversation

And thats it

what game is this? I want

guys, question

I keep hearing this story about /got/Mountain Azog/Bolg, but I never got WHY they changed him into CGI after doing all that?

also, can't he sue them or something?

>Riddles in the dark scene

Everybody creams themselves over this because of MUH GOLLUM, but am I the only one that thought it was shitty?

Probably not

>I'm old Gandalf. I know I don't look it, but I'm beginning to feel it in my heart. I feel thin. Sort of stretched like butter scraped over too much bread.
That's how.

same for me desu

hearing misty mountains cold was comfy as fuck, hit me right in the childhood

>Everybody creams themselves over this because of MUH GOLLUM
nah, gollum was the worst part of it

it was just nice to see something adapted correctly, and both actors played nicely against each other

>comicbook.com/blog/2014/05/17/lord-of-the-rings-star-viggo-mortensen-bashes-the-sequels-the-hobbit-too-much-cgi/

Based Viggo

Why would it be public domain?

Yep, It wasn't good in the sense for Gollum, who was almost a parody. (Freeman did fine.)

It was a correct adaptation, and for the hobbit film, that was rare.

Begun the Clone War has

It was like it was thrust on him.

At the very least he wasn't a hack like Lucas.