Best posthardcore album right here
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I have been spending more time listening to this band lately, and they're a bit of a conundrum. They were immensely influential, and the guitar work on this album in particular is really great, but their song writing is really not that good. They really lack any kind of hooks. I feel like it's a great album because of how much of an anomaly it was at the time, though I do think better albums than it were spawned because of it's landmark inspiration.
There would be no Lonesome Crowded West, Relationship of Command, Worship & Tribute, The Blood Brothers, etc. without this album. All of which are better albums than it imo. Personally I think Heavy Vegetable, who's singer does backing vocals on Luau is criminally underrated from this time period and scene. He's a Syd Barrett-esque level of talent. He'd go on to do Pinback, Thingy, Goblin Cock, and a ton of other bands.
I agree they are kinda chilly. One of their biggest influences was Krautrock bands like Neu!, so that partially explains it.
This is the Drive Like Jehu's crew's hook laden album.
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DLJ/Hot Snakes guitarist's Rocket From The Crypt are nothing but pop punk hooks and sometimes annoying so.
This is their best album. It was compiled from 2 vinyl only releases. The first song is weak, but everything else goes all in.
that isn't The Shape of Punk to Come
Yeah, don't get me wrong. I still like them a lot, it's just a really complicated album for me to think of because without it most of my favorite records would have never been made, yet I don't get the same enjoyment from it that I do from them, and I always feel like I should. I didn't know about the Krautrock influence though, which explains a lot because I was always kind of lukewarm to that genre, despite knowing how big it was in the SD scene at the time.
San Diego really was an underrated scene at this time, and still is to this day. Though I am really glad that so many of the artists in it really dismantled the major label interest in it that stopped it from "becoming another Seattle."
Shape of Punk to come is not a fucking good record. I will never understand why people like it so much. It's basically a nu-metal album trying to be part of a scene that was already vibrant for 10 years before it came out.
Maybe it's just typical Europe shows up late to the party and doesn't really understand it, but it's not good and I don't get why people love it so much.
Back of John's guitar.
>Shape of Punk to come is not a fucking good record
incorrect
>I will never understand why people like it so much
correct
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I'm trying to think of a better post hc album but I really can't. Maybe In/casino/out by At the drive in.
Relationship of Command beats out In/casino/Out. The way the album was recorded/ produced took a lot of the ferocity out of their sound unfortunately.
Nu Metal? Lmfao. You're stupid.
The Refused is clearly a band ripping off Nation of Ulysses and Born Against.
Best song - New Math
Idk about you but after listening to this I have
>Do you compute? Do you compute? Do you or don’t you? I think you do.
>Here comes, here comes! Rome plows! Rome plows!
>Aloha, aloha! Suit up! Luau, luau! Luau, luau!
Stuck in my head. I think it’s really catchy.
I don't think they lack hooks, I just think they rely on repetition to make them catchy because they aren't really that well composed. I like their energy though and think that Super Unison is pretty much a perfect song but overall I wouldn't say I love the album, I just like it
Refused is Korn without a budget.
Super Unison is definitely the exception. That song is insanely catchy. I think what I meant by catchy/hooks were more melodically focused hooks/catchy parts. There are definitely quotable and memorable parts, but it's not because of the melodies present, where as At the Drive-in, for instance, would go on to make hooks that were much more melodically focused. This was of course much more in part due to Omar than Cedric. Pattern against user particularly stands out, as well as invalid litter dept. But really the whole album is way more catchy due to the hooks having clear melodies, which Jehu doesn't really have that much of, with the exception of Super Unison. I don't think this is a fault of theirs really, so much as it is my own personal preference coming through.
nothing wrong with Nu Metal riffs or being untimely
*blocks your path*
Disagree, but again, that's all personal preference based on my subjective opinion of what makes a band good. I definitely think originality matters far more to me than it does most people/critics.
Not everything is based in pop song structures you retards
The songwriting on this record is superb
The songwriting on the album causes them to break up.
John wanted to get back to writing a Rocket album because they were punk and they had a chance to break into the mainstream.
But that was put on the back burner, because this album took like a year to write, they restructured/rewrote the songs several times.
When they did finally finish. The album bombed. The bassist said it sold 6000 copies, and this was on interscope.
By the time Rocket released their next album, pop punk had already broken and people didn't like it anymore, and skapunk had become successful which caused confusion on how to market Rocket because they had horns but made straight punk. So they flopped in everywhere but England.
Can't believe nobody posted this masterpiece yet
>I'm trying to think of a better post hc album but I really can't. Maybe In/casino/out by At the drive in.
you've never listened to fugazi?
This. The structure is great, and it does have hooks, the album is just stylistically rooted in repetition. Golden Brown has a giant hook, the chorus of Luau, the "My share" parts of Sinews, fucking Super Unison. Album has excellent songwriting, just because it's usually more drawn out than Hot Snakes doesn't make it bad.
Step On Chameleon is the best Drive Like Jehu hook for sure.
As for the San Diego scene, No Knife is my favorite band from that scene but they don't get any love here. Makes me sad that no one knows about them
If this already counts as post-hardcore then I agree that this is the pinnacle of the genre.
Otherwise, pic related would me by favorite from the genre.
Probably because Husker Du are absolute shit.
Also while I'm here, I gotta beg all of you to listen to this album, The Moon Is A Dead World by Gospel. It's an overlooked masterpiece. The drumming is immaculate, absolutely GOAT, the production and mixing is perfect, there's absolutely nothing like it. It's become an absolute essential for the genre for me over the last 6 months.
This is probably my favorite album, period. It's one of those things you listen to and it feels like it's exactly what the artist wanted to create, the interplay between the instruments is unworldly, and the songwriting is utterly alien too, especially on tracks like Below the Salt.
And it just sounds incredible, like a pine box. I listened to it with a 5.1 surround setup and it makes the opening of We Invent You orgasmic. I wish Unwound had more songs like One Lick Less.
eevryone post more great posthardcore, mathrock bands.
But spiderland is better
This is probably my bias speaking but this has to be one of the best rock albums ever made
listen to this
also pic related
Oxeneers or The Lion Sleeps When It's Antelope Goes Home - These Arms are Snakes (ATDI-ish, the sophomore album of theirs is good too, their last (Tail Swallower and Dove) might be there best.
Down - The Jesus Lizard (this is just super overlooked compared to their other albums, it's just as good, though)
Live Leaves - Unwound
LTIY is one of the best sounding rock albums I have ever heard. Absolutely fantastic production.
>I wish Unwound had more songs like One Lick Less.
GY!BE's first album has some dark and psychedelic parts that remind me a bit of One Lick Less, listen to it if you haven't already. I definitely think Unwound were influenced by them on LTIY, especially on Terminus.
Bitch Magnet
I love June Of 44, also love Rachel's. Even though they are posthardcore.
Already listened to Rodan?
>are
aren't
Yes. I'm into the Louisville and Chapel Hill scenes.
Pretty much anything that was of Touch and Go and their sublabels and old Merge, I like.
Agreed! Completely on the same page as you
nobody has said the right answer
I like Rob Crow but his songwriting is too Rob Crow to feel different from project to project
Understandable, but that's what I love about him most. He has such a distinct style that he is entirely insular. I really think of every one of his projects as a Rob Crow record, and he just changes the name based on who else is involved desu. Not even really worth denoting project to project. The man is his own world.
This is the worst thing i've read in a while
Is this the best thread Sup Forums has had in the past year of real music discussion???
Absolutely check out Dilute, especially the live split they did with Hella
Some favorites from the brilliant minds of Pinback coming through.
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Here's Drive Like Jehu's biggest influences as a band from their interviews.
So this is pre/forgotten posthardcore.
Honor Role
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Bastro
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and everyone knows Slint.
posthardcore podcasts
david pajo
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ian mackaye and steve albini
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These are great, thanks for sharing
Sure thing man. Definitely check out those bands and the rest of their work. Criminally underrated stuff.
>The Shape of Punk to Come
When will "people" stop pretending Refused is good?
>no knife
feathers and furs is my jam
where'd everybody go?
The songwriting on In/Casino/Out is imo superior. I love RoC but a lot of the lyrics are super cringe in hindsight too
I think I might have fallen in love with it at just the right time in my life where it became timeless. There's nothing cringe about the lyrics for me, but maybe that's just the timing. I was 16 when I first fell in love with that record.
cedric's lyrics are cringe and i can't really wrap my head around why, because according to him (on twitter) all of his songs are about something, they aren't word salad like everyone thinks. like one armed scissor is the plot of aliens. the one armed scissor is the space marine ship.
but people who are abstract or veer into pure surrealism, don't make me cringe at all, like brian eno, scott walker, beck, frank black, etc.
>cringe
You have to go back
You misspelled Relationship of Command
I'm starting to think so user. Faith in this Sup Forums-ridden shithole of a board restored for a while.
Dude who was peddling Rob Crow here. He has a ton of new albums coming out this year (10!!!!!) on Temporary Residence. There is a Thingy album from it too that was finished like 15 years ago but never saw the light of day. Also an album by an iteration of his band "Other Men" being called "Other" (uses a different drummer).
I hate it when people parrot this nonsense.
The only thing The Refused took from Nation Of Ulysses was their aesthetic.
*blocks your path*
Admittedly I took calling Refused a nu-metal band from Justin Pearson of the Locust/Swing Kids. I had already not liked refused, but couldn't really put into words why. He summed it up perfectly there.
Speaking of, too bad no one mentioned Swing Kids in this thread. They were incredible for a bunch of 14-16 year olds.
Yup, the logical conclusion to Post-Hardcore. It’s a perfect album. Everything about it is downright incredible.
Bitch Magnet are overlooked. This album sounds a lot like Spiderland in parts and came out in 1989. Required listening if you like post-hardcore
come back brahs.