What's wrong with being a music fan who knows nothing about music theory?

what's wrong with being a music fan who knows nothing about music theory?

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you'll be more dependent on critics

Do you need to know about construction to enjoy your house?

Everything

Neckbeards on a Costa Rican banana harvesting forum will call you pleb

>What's wrong with being a fan of literature if you can't read?

unironically yes

You should at least know about time signatures

I feel like this is bare minimum shit.

Nothing really, though it'll help you articulate what you mean better when discussing what you like/dislike.

this analogy is wrong. it should be

>What's wrong with being a fan of literature if you can't write?

so basically you're dumb

music theory is a meme

nothing
you're gay btw

really nothing wrong about it since there's more to music than just theory

if you feel that you like it then you dont need any theory to tell you WHY you like it

this is true if youre really insecure and need someone to tell you what to think about music

basically
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Do you have to be a chef to know if a meal tastes terrible?

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Nothing, really, but I'm sceptical of people who do not want increased knowledge of a thing they love.

Hahahaha

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do you spout off buzzwords when you're being beaten in an argument in real life or just online?

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nothing is wrong with that unless you want to perform music yourself, in which case not knowing music theory makes you a shitter

Why does this website always go anal over spacing, when literally every single classic Sup Forums post utilized spacing as laborious as the one he wrote?

stay mad XD

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First off, you probably know more about music theory than you think. If you know what the words "verse" or "chorus" mean, that's music theory. If you know the names of the 12 notes (in western music), that's music theory.
Second off, to answer your question, an in-depth understanding of music theory isn't strictly necessary to enjoy music. But it will deepen your appreciation for the art form, and allow you to see the merit in music you previously mightn't have been able to fully appreciate.

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Ever listened to Giant Steps? It's a snazzy, enjoyable jazz song, and that's probably as far as your critique would go if you didn't know much music theory. But there's so much more to it than that. The song is in three different keys, that change every 2 bars - which is pretty insane considering how, well, normal it sounds in a sense.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coltrane_changes

You don't have to be a chef to dine at a 5-star restaurant, but knowing how to cook will deepen your appreciation of it.

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Not those guys but you have a fixation and it's kinda embarrassing

You'll be really insecure about it (see: your post)

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You gotta go back

Literally nothing. I have a modest grasp on music theory, especially regarding chord construction and time signatures, and I do feel like it helps me to appreciate certain music more, but I also feel that it holds me back from enjoying other types of music as well. I feel that the purpose of music should be to carry emotional and """cultural""" weight, and that can be done with or without a background in western music theory.

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Nothing.

It helps to know theory, but theory confines you.

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It's pretty reddit indeed
well go back

Nothing it's just like being a fan of movies that doesn't know how to act

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redditfag

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back to redit you go.

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yes go back there

I enjoyed music a lot more before I knew any theory.
Ignorance can be bliss OP.

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nothing. it's literally like watching your TV without reading the manual.

As someone who knows a good chunk of music theory, what I've noticed is that apart from some classical and bebop, music that I really enjoy is the same as a non-theory person. However, I've noticed that there is more music that I dislike (that non-theory people really like) because I find it overly simple or generic or lazily written because of details that I notice that non-theory people don't. I personally enjoy listening to music with knowledge of music theory, it gives me more of an appreciation for the music I really like and I can quickly determine what I like and don't like about what I'm listening to so that I can find more stuff that I like

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and stay there.

Nothing, but in order to change the rules you have to learn them first

Also don't be a music fan, be somebody that likes music

i've never used reddit and i do the "reddit spacing" thing sometimes

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you're a newfag.

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that's pretty cool, so the reason it sounds 'jazzy' is because my brain identifies each two bar interval as normal music?

i've been posting 6 years but whatever

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Six years of faggotry.

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but i have been straight and dated many girls i the last 6 years

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6 years you've been a gay ass newfag.
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i really don't care what you think my man

or you

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lmao show up to a jam session where you dont know the songs and try to play along without knowing any theory, you fucking massive faggot montie
"theory confines you" "theory limits your creativity broooo" is the biggest fucking cope by brainlet wonderwall indie acoustic guitar fags

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Well there's more to sounding jazzy than that. But that is part of it. The way Coltrane composed it allows these different keys to mesh together in a single song without sounding "wrong". And without his knowledge of music theory, he wouldn't have been able to do it.

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That's a funny way of spelling out that you must be leaving for reddit, and not coming back

Retards like that tripfag don't actually play music. If you told them "12 bar blues in G major" they would look at you like you just recited a voodoo chant

I love how most of the replies in this thread are ignoring OPs question and just calling each other reddit.

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Nothing. Music theory is lame, nobody is going "wow, this augmented 7th chord sounds so great after this ascending chromatic chord with the emphasis on the flattened 5th!!"
It should just naturally sound good without knowing the science behind it.
Heres a pro tip, your favorite songs were not written with music theory in mind. Music theory is applied to a piece AFTER the composer arranges it, in retrospect.

You should know how to play an instrument though.

all this rage

>You should know how to play an instrument though.
But an instrument's only purpose is to express and play what you hear in your head, which is made 100000x easier with theory

You are going to wanna go back, and stay there. I guarantee it.
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Theory helps you get better at your instrument a little bit, but not as much as playing and memorizing others songs.
You dont really have to understand why an A7 sounds good after an E major and D major. As long as you can feel what an A7 does to to an E major and D major, youre on the right track.

Nothing wrong, if you want to enjoy music more deeply making music worked for me, knowing how to do music is not as good as trying to do music, try to do it for fun an you will very probably enjoy music better

A fan could/should be categorised as someone with a deep interest in a given subject. Music theory is a facet of music and could be considered something of interest to a music fan. Just as film theory could be considered a facet of understanding for a film fan.

If you are just memorising songs, if you ever wanted to write a song without theory, you would either be just rearranging the chords you know because you already know they sound nice, or ideally you would hear something in your head and you try to translate it in the real world through your instrument. If you know theory (as well as developing your ear using theory terminologies), this won't take any time at all but without theory, it takes awhile. That's why most people without theory knowledge just either rearrange chords they know or play random shit until it sounds nice, which is obviously inferior to conceptualising a song first in your head and then executing it immediately in the real world

Imo, i think the velvet underground and ween are amazing song writers
But theres nothing really special about them in terms of theory. I think they followed the method youre talking about, playing chords they already know and arranging them that way. And thats what makes their music work, its all so simple.
I guess its just about personal preference though, Paul McCartney couldnt even read music at the time he weote Golden Slumbers. That should tell you something.

Reading music =/= music theory
The Beatles knew their shit.
I'm really not a fan of Ween or Velvet Underground (apart from their sonic experimentation) but I stand by that they would be able to better express themselves if they developed their ear. Their songs musically don't express much, the appeal of Ween and Velvet Underground is more how they execute it

The key to The Beatles is that none of them knew theory, but George Martin did. John would come into the studio and ask him what notes would fit in the harmony he was working on. I think thats a pretty healthy approach.
At the end of the day, i think you and i just have different approaches to music and thats actually a positive thing. If everyone looked at music the exact same way, itd get stale pretty fucking fast. Thats why Beefheart is such a godsent musician, he destroyed all the conventions and flipped things on its head, good or bad.
Lets just agree to disagree. I think a heavy reliance on music theory ends up making the music predictable and boring but thats just me. I love making up chords in my guitar and a lot of my songs are centered around them, but its not like i know what those chords are called because it doesnt really matter to me.
I think different approaches should be celebrated, not gotten rid of.

What the fuck is music theory? Just listen to whatever you like.

Absolutly nothing. I played music and still know nothing about music theory but still enjoy music.

>What the fuck is music theory?
oh boy.
this is a music board and you dont even know what music theory is? you dont have to be fluent in music theory or anything to enjoy music or even make music but ffs dude

>Music theory is applied to a piece AFTER the composer arranges it, in retrospect