Arrival

Now that the dust has officially settled, can we agree this was sci-fi kino?

Yes, without a doubt. One of the best sci-fi films in recent memory.

The Arrival makes Interstellar look like Lost in Space.

I thought it was pretty mediocre. Not bad, though. Just "whatever".

It absolutely shits on Interstellar and Prometheus but that's not hard.

did you guys read the short story before seeing it? I did and I thought that helped me appreciate it alot more. I thought the movie captured the theme of the story without dumbing it down at all.

It's a nice "thought experiment" type of movie with some interesting bits of social commentary. The character drama aspect fell completely flat. I think that can be blamed on the performances. Amy Adams just felt detached from the script while Renner was devoid of a personality. As for the twist, I prefer Slaughterhouse 5's execution by a wide margin.

Didn't even know there was such a thing.

>DUDE TIME IS 4D LMAO

Nah. The concept is pretty good, but the acting is fucking dogshit except whitaker. Interstellar might have been silly as fuck but mcconaughey and chastains performances actually made me feel something.

It's another love transends time and space bullshit

it's called "Story of Your Life" by Ted Chiang if you wanna read it. it varies a bit from the movie.

spoiler: no nation ever gets close to attacking them, they just leave peacefully one day once they see people have started to learn the language and future see. the daughter dies from a drunk driving accident, not from a rare illness.

I'm surprised they kept the line "do you want to make a baby?" in. it's such an awkward line.

>right wing military gun nuts attempt to bomb our first contact with intelligent life

It was so strange to have those soliders influence to movie like that. When I saw the guy talking to his wife, I said to myself "Aren't you the guy who brings the boxes in to the ship? Why the fuck are you in front of the camera? Why are you in this scene? Who the fuck cares about you?"

>I'm surprised they kept the line "do you want to make a baby?" in. it's such an awkward line.
Not really. It's a common thing to ask your spouse when you're thinking of starting a family.

I don't know

I just couldn't buy Amy Adams as the greatest linguistic specialist

She was what, 30? 40 when she lost her daughter?

Also Jeremy Renner as a theoretical physicist was just as laughable

Yeah that was a bit terrible.

Not even close, Sup Forums. Arrival is practically capeshit. The film was made so middlebrow viewers like you can tip your film buff hats and be tricked into feeling like you're a somehow more discerning viewer, appreciating the medium on a level beyond the plebes, but it's normiecore schlock all the same. This film was Nolan level spoonfeeding trash, Villeneuve just hasn't gotten to the point where his name has become unfashionable yet.

Arrival? More like time am I right?

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Also they were REALLY quick to decide to murder there fellow countrymen as well as fellow soliders.

This is one of those "smart" movies made for casuals to brag to their friends about how much they like "deep" sci-fi. Its basically Interstellar 2.0

dude we're talking about Arrival not Interstellar

Rewatching it right now.
>she had to go through every happy moment with her daughter knowing full well that she will inevitably die at a fixed point.
mfw

its slightly better than Interstellar
it has the exact same beats, plays to the same emotions
the characters are far better and the story less retarded, but the visuals are so flat, it makes it seem like this was envisioned as a book

Yeah she also had her with the other guy and didn't tell him. If he knew he might not have gone through with it, and she KNEW that.

What a fucking cunt

>had to
She is a stupid bitch whi doesn't use her powers to stop bad shit from happening

Good 1 time watch but it's no Interstellar.

>smartest translator
>writes HUMAN on board

>she's gotten the farthest

>lauded as a thinking man's sci fi
>it's just a generic time travel flick

Fitting picture, reddo

When Whitaker says

"They arrived"
>the use of the word arrival several times

Yes it was awesome

what other guy? there was no other guy, in the movie or the story

Because the good times make the bad times worth dealing with.

The entire movie is just explaining

>It's better to have loved and lost than to have never loved at all

it was just "they arrive" man. It's in repose to someone asking what happens next.

but still, made me shift in my seat all the same

I really wanted to like it but looking back its only a decent sci-fi flick with some good moments.

Too much focus on Amy Adams and her dumb kid i gave no fucks about when the mysteries of the universe were on the table waiting to be explored.

Pic related is superior exploring a similar theme.

PURE KINO
>PURE KINO
PURE KINO
>PURE KINO
PURE KINO
>PURE KINO

Good sci fi isn't about the aliens or space, it's about the human condition and heart

So is
>honey come look at my turds
>baby smell my fart pls
But that doesn't mean it should be in a movie

>tfw mommy goes to talk with the aliens and leaves you alone
:(

Did you even see the movie?

Being this dumb. This is the pleb way of thinking about it.

Once she learned the Aliens Language she can relive all the happy moments and sad moments at the same time for her whole life.

>when the mysteries of the universe were on the table waiting to be explored.
yeah, one word at a time. in the story they never gave any juicy stuff like FTL travel or shit like that man. I like the idea that the contact period isn't just 1 big quick exciting moment, it might be a slow and tedious and boring.

of course hollywood would rather it be quick and exciting and if possible full of explosions.

How is

>you want to make a baby?

and

>smell my farts

comparable? Are you sperglord?

When Louise said

>"love trancends space and time"

Fuck sake it's another interstellar

It's a hyperbole idiot. Your whole argument was that line was "realistic." The pursuit of "realism" is why modern film dialogue is so fucking awkward and retarded. Just because people say it or do it in real life doesn't mean it'll work on film or in fiction. I bet you're the type of person who likes to point out that characters don't go to the bathroom in movies hurrrrd durrrrrr.

I dont think any human would be able to handle seeing every possible point of their future at all times, and how every little action would drastically change things around.

It was shit, almost as bad a meme-y as interstellar. I'm glad it didn't become popular.

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The implications of an entire species experiencing time non-linearly is pretty crazy.

people think Louise CHOSE to not change the future she was seeing but to me, I think the people who get to that point of future sight are compelled (consciously or unconsciously) to follow that future to the letter. that's why to others (like her husband or the viewers) it seems so dumb, like why NOT change the future, they just don't get it unless they also can see the future.

I wonder what help the Aliens could possibly need from the humans

I don't think so, the premise is nonsensical. It's one thing to start to perceive time in a non-linear fashion due to language, but it's quite another for said phenomena to somehow magically allow you to see the future. It's an interesting concept but doesn't hold up to scrutiny, plus the twist is too obvious and you see it coming from about halfway through the film, if not sooner.

ayylmaokino

>didn't like interstellar

Not that guy, but I think it's the usage of the word 'make'. It's just an awkward way to say it. Sounds too detached. Should've been 'Do you want have a baby'.

Can you imagine if someone on Sup Forums had the "weapon"

What would they see in their future?

What did he mean by this?

No, its dogshit

A room with a computer?

>>It's better to have loved and lost than to have never loved at all

wrong

ignorance is a bliss

>Good sci fi isn't about the aliens or space

Not that guy, but fuck on outta here with your pleb opinion. Doing those things right improves any film regardless of genre but If I'm watching sci-fi, the aliens and space shit better be on point. Arrival didn't do any of it right, least of all characters. Adams and Renner had zero chemistry.

As stupid as Contact was it was a much better film on every level.

This. I want back into Eden desu senpai.

She can see the "future"...uh, okay??

So she learns the language and publishes a book so others can learn the language. How would society function? How would something like the stock market work in a society where there is no uncertainty about the future?

I disagree. I really like linguistics and the movie really screwed up that part, which was basically the whole point of the short story. Sapir-Worf theory doesn't give you literal superpowers, FFS.

She dies from a cliff climbing accident

interstellar was ten times better.

Arrival was honestly just complete shit.

why would you think the stock market of all things is a good thing?

also the movies imply that all decisions ever taken from that point on are the best decisions that could have been made
which is a major reason this film is firmly average

So many stupid people commenting on how stupid this movie was.

Sapir-Worf? More like Dunning-Kruger.

Cont.

>Why would an explosion kill the aliens, their ship evaporates seemingly into thin air showcasing their incredible technology but the glass wall (of which they knew would be for talking to potentially dangerous earthlings) isn't even blast proof.

>Why can she suddenly talk to aliens and understand their words, which had nothing to do with their writing?

>Why would she tell the dad halfway through the childs life? If you're gonna tell him you should of told him beforehand or atleast let on that you always sorta knew afterwards.

>If she has the gift of future seeing why would any government or agency in the world allow her to teach it to a class full of uni students like in the vision she has. Frankly her ability would be controlled whether she liked it or not and even if she did just start teaching people the language than wouldn't that just have time travel implications that would make everyones future vision defunct? For example if person A made their millions betting on one currency and person B went bankrupt betting against the same currency then who's vision would come true? Would B ever some how sign their own life away because of futuresight? Assuming no person A wouldn't make the fortune from the people investing etc.

>Why would the Chinese general not just simply respond YOU DISGUSTING AMERICAN DOG SPY WHEN WE WIN I WILL RAPE YOU

It was decent until the part where the random soldier was on the phone with their hysterical wife then you were just constantly waiting for the obvious to happen

the first 4/5ths of the movie were great
the last 1/5th was shit

This (kinda). It wasn't really a sci-fi film at all. It was more a self-reflection of what makes us human than an adventure with aliens. Not dissimilar to The Tree of Life or 2001 tbqh

also
>why would the chinese general repeat to her verbatim the entire 10 hours of his wife's last 900 words

first 3/5ths were pretty kino except for a few small discongruities with Renner's character arc, 4th bit was meh last 5th was what the fuck is this shit

>liked stupid deus ex machina spaceshit

It wasn't meant to? She mentions it because it could be relevant to what she's (or they're) having dreams about but there's no reason to thing it adequately explains how they gave her the weapon. She was in their presence more than anyone and was dipped in a fuck knows what liquid, they could've been messing with her head all along or have something in the water or whatever.

It was good though the ending felt abrupt.

I think you replied to the wrong post

probably help in some space war of some kind. they know we're good at fucking shit up

Sorta, just replied to the end bit and not the whole thing. Eh, shit happens.

ah, my bad. I read it months ago.

>Why would an explosion kill the aliens
idk man, it was a LOT of explosives pretty close to them. maybe they underestimated the blast radius.

>why can she suddenly talk to aliens?
Aliens understand her words, she understands their writing. maybe they learned faster.

>why would she tell the dad halfway through the child's life?
maybe she tried but he didn't believe it, and when it came up in a diagnosis he got mad.

>why would any government allow her to teach?
did you see her exchange with the colonel? he didn't believe her. anyone who would believe her is the conspiracy nut kind of person. same with any person that gets the powers from her book. keep in mind she was spending basically 24/7 with the material, not many of her students will get so deep to actually attain powers.

also the powers just show your timeline, you're not looking at sports almanacs and shit dude. imagine it like a book, IF you get the powers, you're just reading random chapters of your life, it's not a be all future seeing thing. it's not time traveling.

>why would the chinese general respond?
I'll give you that one.
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At any rate both of the options are better, because they are sudden events, which are not really sudden because of Banks' temporal awareness.

Japan was filming a JAV with the aliens

But the aliens could never understand her before, that's the whole point of the movie that they can't understand each other.

There's a scene where she explains to her very young daughter how she told her dad the truth. This is well before any kind of diagnosis as she was in her teens.

Yes but if at any point in your timeline you saw you living under a bridge or your family leaving you as your wife screams that your an idiot for buying into a ponzi scheme why would you ever play around with that kind of shit? Remember, she had a vision of her teaching the language at university and instantly became fluent in the alien language so just because its a 2 second vision doesn't mean it lacks any additional information.

This is why they shouldn't have removed the part with The Book of Ages.

then how comes louise was able to change the future by calling the chinese general and preventing war against aliens?
how were aliens able to change fute by coming to earth so humans can help them in 3000 years?

probably best adaptation of a sci-fi short story Hollywood has ever done.

As a movie it's decent but it's an awful adaptation.

why? it conveyed the same message, using the same plot point to do so.

yeah, they added a "how would humans react to first contact" sub-plot, and made things more dynamic, but I can't fault them for it, it made sense.

You think Louise just went out and did the lottery after the alien fiasco?

they didn't change the future. they didn't change fate. they just adhered to it, kept it on track so to speak. it didn't really happen in the short story but besides the meta answer of "it's a movie so of course they stop world war at the last second," just think of it like there is no other future where louise didn't call the general, just like there is no other future where the aliens did not come to earth to teach us. I know this is hard because most time travel movies tell you every choice creates a new timeline/universe and shit like that but I think (in my interpretation) that's not how the author wanted this universe to work.

again, you're just reading pieces of the script. every person's fate is on rails, there is no changing, just convenient read-aheads if you happen to be the main character who saves the world, otherwise it's just pieces of the future that you see IF you really internalize their language.

which makes it interesting because by giving up control and letting the string of fate run its course, you gain a sense of control, you know?

this. Thought it was quite obvious by the fact that Louise couldn't save her daughter despite knowing her fate. Knowing the future in this movie doesn't mean you can change it.

She can see her entire life though, if she doesn't see herself having won the lottery there's no point in trying that.
She's gonna be rich anyway so there's no need for that.

Nah, but I read Slaughterhouse Five a few years back and Arrival does share some of the main ideas with that novel.

The cool part about that this is probably the first movie slightly "about" determinism. Even with her knowledge of the future, there's nothing she can do to alter it as everything that she does (even those mundane things she doesn't remember) is absolutely necessary to reach her fated end. This would've been a better movie desu.

Probably Ville's worst film to date.

None of the mystery of Enemy.

None of the emotion of Prisoners.

None of the tension and action in Sicario.


Really felt like they were just trying to make an oscar bait film with this one. Also why were the Chinese suddenly the ones to declare war? Made no sense.

>Also why were the Chinese suddenly the ones to declare war?
Same with Russia. It's fucking CNN tier propoganda that normies buy into. That scene where she talks to her mother on the phone about the news, saying something like "What have I told you, don't listen to them they're a bunch of idiots", was no doubt a dig at FoxNews without outright saying it.

The messege in the story was "it would be really interesting to see how alien languages would affect humans from a Sapir Worf Theory standpoint". Hint, it wasn't giving them superpowers.

The whole 1/12 thing was so stupid and cliché, and the idea that the heptapods, who have no concept of linear cause and effect, would help humans now in exchange for the humans helping them in the future (which is meaningless to them) just shits all over the point of them being non-linear beings.

This senpaitachi