What's so bad about the lightsaber duels in the prequels?
I don't have much to say about Vader and Kenobi's duel on Episode 4 but the duels in Ep 5 and 6 aren't good at all.
They swings those lightsabers like they have no clue how to properly sword fight.
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I don't think you swing your weapon all over the place in a duel, it seems pretty reckless to do so. The choreography in the prequels is too stylised for me and like pointed out, doesn't really work.
WOW A FIGHT THAT ISN'T CGI USES PERSPECTIVE TRICKS
You didn't notice this autistic shit when watching the movie. I bet you did notice in theaters R1's stormtroopers missing the main characters even though they're in a narrow alley. I bet you noticed the beaner lowering his weapon and the stormtroopers lowering theirs so they could all watch in awe as the tiny Mary Sue knocks armored soldiers out with a nightstick.
Stormtroopers were a joke in Rogue One. Any creditability they may have retained after 6 was lost.
Empire's duel
>built up to for the entire movie, develops the characters, both characters trade blows and take visible damage, interact with the constantly changing practical environment/set, has instantly recognizable imagery, has one of the most iconic moments in film, leads to the main conflict of the next movie
Attack of the Clones' duel
>fight is against villain with no development or importance to the heroes, no stakes because both heroes have to live, set in a single empty room, nobody gets dirty/tired until the final blow, nothing of importance or worth remembering happens
Attack of the Clones is a terrible duel of shadows where you just see random cuts of Anakin and Dooku swinging in the dark. TPM and ROTS had great duels though.
>I don't understand how the pleb-quels are terrible movies
You have autism.
Not even the Clone Wars did anything for Dooku. Meanwhile, Maul is developed constantly behind the scenes but if you didn't see TCW you would have guessed he was dead which is a damn shame as he's probably the only Sith character that can invoke empathy, and this in spite of him still being 100% evil, and Grievous keeps running away like a nigga which completely dethoothes him.
OT lightsaber duels always come after a long build up of character drama and tension. PT lightsaber duels are generally well choreographed but too flashy and too often reliant on gimmicks. This is kind of necessary since half the time in the PT you don't even really know who the protagonists are fighting or why.
The prequels fights are worse
>They swings those lightsabers like they have no clue how to properly sword fight.
The OT had a champion Saber fencer choreograph and teach the actors how to fight with a real sword.
The prequels had Chinese theater wire fu fucks choreograph
Your arguement is retarded. The OT duels not only look more realistic they ARE more realistic
So you are saying than for example rots duel is worse than vader vs luke (rotj)
>spehs fantasy miracle world
>need for realism
Pick one.
>ROTS duel
You mean the one that drags on for like 20 minutes?
That's beaner-american you shitlord.
They have that problem where they swing at the space in between each other but not actually at each other.
You didn't read the arguement I was countering
Pic related
>nitpicking
I liked the prequels.
They don't feel like an actual duel between two or more fighters, they feel like a choreographed dance routine with swords. They lack humanity. Another problem is most of them last so long they become boring, making the viewer wish it would end already and not anticipating its climax with excitement. All the dumb CG flips don't help.
I'm not a prequel apologist (although I love the Duel of Fates) but there is some really badly choreographed shit in the OT too. Stormstroopers, professional fucking military troops, can't shoot shit with their blasters. Like they'll be point blank and missing Han and Luke
Just imagine what Vader must be thinking about Luke's moves here.
That spin was awful.
Spinning is lucas's de facto ultimate trick and without it the prequels are boring, he should have made all the jedi in the colosseum just become tornadoes and wipe away the droids, anakin should have done a side headkick and then a backflip impale onto a intimidating looking sandperson.
Are there any YouTube videos of real swordsman trying to actually kill each other?
Our entire lives we've either seen choreographed fights or pussy non realistic fights like in fencing or kendo. I want to see what a real fight looks like
Why does Lucas like spinning so much
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Only metal weapons though so damage is limited.
>21st century
>real swordsmen
Defend this.
overlong and were shallow. at least most of them were shallow. the Anakin vs Obi Wan fight had a lot of heart, but it had the first problem of being very long that it gets repetitive.
Vader's a clumsy guy.
Vader wasn't trying to kill look, mainly scare the shit out of Luke. Then take advantage of that fear and have Luke join him.
really...?
You don't feel anything for the characters, it's emotionless, hollow, fake. It's far too stylised and choreographed, it doesn't feel like they're actually fighting, it's more like a performance that has been rehearsed for month and months. It's visually entertaining on a meaningless level. Even still, the Maul duel is one of the better ones in the Prequels, most don't even qualify as mindlessly enjoyable.
Do people like Vader in Rogue One?
No joke, that was the hypest minute and a half of cinema I have seen in my life.
Because episodes 4,5,6 had good atmosphere and emotion.
Also jumping, dancing, spinning around is all very unbelievable and is even less realistic to sword fighting than the OT was.
TFA actually does a decent job at the lightsaber fight that has a nice real set with good atmosphere and more believable from a sword fighting perspective.
Basically Prequels = action movie fighting phenomenon of the time period where people wanted to see elaborate and unbelievable fight scenes from movies like Crouching Tiger, Hidden Dragon and The Matrix.
It's the best scene since RotJ in terms of lightsaber action, TFA just looked like a bastardized version of this fight
I didn't really have a problem with them, mostly just a matter of preference.
Stylistically the OT was based on something like kendo, with some stylistic flourishes here and there, and so it was relatively grounded. You weren't meant to be marveled by it particularly; just like in samurai movies the emphasis was more on the tension before the strike, where the characters are moving very slowly and carefully and staring at each other, to give this impression that it could be over at any moment. Which seems appropriate enough given how dangerous lightsabers are.
By the time of the prequels, Chinese/Hong Kong style choreography had come to dominate the industry, and so it became more about the spectacle of seeing complex/creative feats of coordination, timing, acrobatics etc. I don't see it as a huge leap to use that style given it's a sci-fi adventure movie for all ages about space wizard monk guys.
>Over using force powers
>swinging light saber with one hand
>cutting down a bunch of soldiers with ease
>Blocking a bunch of blaster fire like it's the prequels again
>Not even a lightsaber duel
Yeah sure, the best lightsaber scene.
The Force Awakens lightsaber scene was actually better than most all the movies.
Rey vs Kylo was terrible.
explain
its a good trick
No emotional content.
Just the mere fact she can clash the saber with him and practically push him away as if she had the same body strengh makes the whole thing retarded
>inb4 muh tele k
If anyone want to use that as a defense for thst bullshit fight then dont whine about yhe prequels fights
Ben vs fin was ok
You should check out l8wrtr's fancuts of the prequels
One thing I always liked about the Cloud City duel, was how the momentum shifts had a lot to do with the characters and their motivations.
With Vader, early on he was toying with Luke, as he didn't want to harm him, but he didn't respect Luke at all and thought of him a scrub. But when Luke avoided the traps and actually was able to put up a fight, Vader had to step it up, use the Force to try to batter him to submission, which Luke refused. This had to frustrate Vader, so there was a bit of anger in there to amp up the agression when he decides to go full throttle on the offense on the gantry.
Luke was confident at the beginning, but once he started getting his ass kicked by flying shit he was on the defensive from there on out. Although outclassed on the gantry he still was able to get a few licks in, and ultimately won the fight by denying Vader his capture.
We don't really know what effects the Force has on physical strength, so being butthurt that a girl beats some twinkboy who literally just murdered his father then got shot by a big fucking gun, is stupid.
I'm not even the person you're responding too as I thought TFA was mediocre at best.
The film answered why he was weak. The film showed in at least 3-4 scenes throughout the movie that Chewie's Bowcaster is really powerful. Kylo takes a huge hit by it and is bleeding out.
>twinkboy
Hes fucking 6'2
Even if ee dont know how the force works that makes her mote of amary sue considering not even anakine could control it like that
Yeah Im gonna use the argument the other guy used
We don't really know what effects the Force has on physical strength
Especially when kylo a dark side user was high on emotions like anger and pain
> they saying like they don't know how to sword fight
Have you seen the prequels you nit picky asshole?
Na. Its a pretty good trick
The best thing about the next few years of yearly star wars movies is all the OT purists getting BTFO by bringing up stupid nitpick arguments and then being presented with proof of those criticisms in the OT. The new star wars main films well also suck and it will become clear that this is what nostalgia produces
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> over using force powers
Why not?
> deflecting blaster fire
Why not?
He just beat Finn no problem. That argument needs to stop being posted like it hasn't already been disputed hundreds of times
in the old movies darth vader was played by a master olympic gold fencer, and frankly it shows.
The fights are not all over the place retarded like in the prequels trilogy, I think the most boring one might be obi vs vader but even that is not badly done at all if you watch carefully (except obi stupid spin)
do you make as little sense in real life?
No the Obi Wan Vader fight in ANH sucked ass. It's the worst fight in all the movies. The only reason people defend it is the whole OT vs PT bs
Do you have an argument?
Two words
Hella freaking epic
>I don't have much to say about Vader and Kenobi's duel on Episode 4
other than the fact that it was awful? looked like they were 8 year olds playing with fake sword fight with sticks
Eat shit and die nigger.
It's fucking Vader, they wanted to show him go absolutely APE for once, about something other than >muh padme.
>random cuts of Anakin and Dooku swinging in the dark
who the fuck thought that looked good
>in the old movies darth vader was played by a master olympic gold fencer,
Well he did an awful job
The fights in the PT were shit because I didn't care.
>TPM
The Jedi fight a glorified extra.
>AOTC
The Jedi fight a character who has zero consistent personality beyond being played by an actor I like.
>ROTS
The fight bight have been good if it wasn't 15 minutes long and constantly changing the location and gimmicks like they're on a DOA stage. When they started swinging on ropes over the lava like it's fucking Joust I was done.
Ep 1 and 2: the opponents are literally who random sith, I don't know who they are or what happens to them. Ep 3: We know both of the combatants well, but the choreography is way overdone and Anakin feels like a whiny teen instead of the tragic hero he was implied to be in the OT
I too remember being an angry teenager getting my rocks off to action movies without character development
ROTJ
>So, you have a sister. Your thoughts have betrayed her too. Obi-Wan was wise to hide her from me, now his failure is complete. If you will not turn to the Dark Side, then perhaps she will!
ROTS
>FROM MY POINT OF VIEW THE JEDI ARE EVIL
fuck you lucas you fucking hack
Something I hated was the fact that Vader had more of a sense of humour than Anakin did.
Given his tendency to make sardonic comments when choking people or threatening them, I always assumed that as a Jedi he'd have a similar, if less twisted, sense of humour.
Turns out though that multiple amputations gives you good material to 'ave a giggle.
>Stylistically the OT was based on something like kendo
itt: idiots trying to make it seem like they know anything about swords
the OT fights are based on a mixture of fencing and traditional kenjutsu techniques with a slight hint of european longsword styles since the lightsabers have more than one "edge"
PT fights have more in common with european tech but they have been completely "fake"'d by being coreographed too heavily so that the characters are just dancing
how the fuck Vaders character could have developed in the middle of a already established story you dumb cunt
>What's so bad about the lightsaber duels in the prequels?
They're big wastes of time like podracing. You could skip them and understand the movie just fine. To make matters worse, we pretty much know the results before they happen. Obi Wan lives until episode IV, so we know he wins every duel in the prequels. We are essentially left watching a dance.
In the OT duels served the purpose of having Luke and Vader confront each other. They're conversation heavy, flesh out the information behind character conflicts, and if you miss them the movie won't make sense. We also don't know (or at least didn't know at some point) the outcome.
I'm glad Sup Forums is steadily getting over the prequel contrarian phase
He didn't even need to be in the movie.
Now they are in the sucking rogue one dick phase and hating TFA because it's a good movie phase.
I used to think it was odd but now I just think that Anakin found the Jedi order to be very oppressive on a personal level. Too much "professionalism" and self censorship. Being Vader lets him be his true self and revel in his evil.
Yoda seems a lot different after the collapse of the Jedi order too. Funny guy in the OT, boring fuck in the prequels. Maybe he had a stroke on Dagobah.
R1 vs TFA is a genuine subject for debate, though. There are pros and cons for many different people, depending on their particular preferences.
The phase of pretending the prequels are good movies was unforgivable, using them to bash the OT was worse, and worst of all was the fact that it let Sup Forums in through the back door, because they saw us acting like prequel loving retards and thought they were in good company
TPM duel was choreographykino.
either one of them could've ended the fight right then and there.
>no we will continue to run around, aiming for eachothers lightsabres instead of actually trying to land a killing stroke
This was bad comedy
autism