>visually stunning >Gotham looks like something that rose from the very depths of hell >Keaton best Batman >great soundtracks and scores >Keaton, Jack, Kim, DeVito, Michelle, Walken etc. >perfect mix of camp, action, comedy, horror, gothic, really captures that comic book aura >actually looks like a cartoon brought to life, doesn't take itself too seriously and doesn't try to overdone muh exposition to explain plots
Nolan's flicks:
>visually boring, thin and uninspiring >cinematography is Smallville-tier >Gotham is literally Chicago >Bale is good as Bruce, terrible as Batman >fucking memes such as Caine, Freeman, Neeson, Hathaway, Holmes, Ledger and Hardy >forgettable soundtracks and scores, there's a fucking background music nonstop playing, gets tedious very fast >the flicks are some crappy mixtures of thriller, police B-flick and Statham-tier action boogaloos >there's no charm, depth, charisma, wit >the flicks take themselves way too seriously, Nolan and Co. try to present some le deep social and political commentary, only to fail miserably >there are buttloads of expositions for the dummies >awful plots >well, at least it spawned Baneposting
I will agree that Burton's films actually look like a comic book brought to life while Nolan's seem like they're too ashamed to be what they are and are trying to act "grown up" even though at the end of the day they're still based on comic books.
Jaxon Ramirez
Gotham looked great in Batman Begins
Cooper Hughes
Actually Ledger did the one great role in Batman films and the '66 Batman is the one great Batman film.
Bentley Watson
Burton's films are Batman films without Batman Returns is literally some boring shit about Penguin and Catwoman and Batman is barely there
David Bailey
Yes but you can understand why fans would want a more "grown up" version of the character after two of the worst superhero movies ever made when Batman is traditionally a pretty dark character in the comic books.
Easton Moore
Go to bed Kevin.
Ayden Turner
Both stories are good on their own style. Why can't we have both?
Jordan Barnes
>Nolan makes bad films
Cameron Fisher
Yeah, fans wanted a "grown up" version of the character, but that doesn't change the fact that he's from a comic book. The Burton films were dark enough. The Dark Knight borders on ICP levels of edgy.
Daniel Adams
I agree Nolan's batman movies are already starting to age. Though I think Batman Begins did manage to capture a more gritty dark Gotham. Also actually taking place in night time.
Colton Garcia
Snyder's kino:
>perfect masculinity >the greatest superhero adaptations of all-time >deep symbolism
Brody Lee
>He's great you fuck He's laughably bad as is Bale. Stop sucking their cocks just because you like Bronson and American Psycho.
Liam Cruz
BALE?
Aaron Campbell
>forgettable soundtracks
just because you tell yourself that doesn't make it true
Ryder Gutierrez
>He thinks ZimmerMan has good scores
Eli Bennett
Notice how the good/interesting capeshit filmmakers come from deeply visual genres (Raimi, Del Toro from horror, Burton and Bird from animation). They also seem to have a genuine love for the material, as it was part of the counter-culture when they grew up.
People like Nolan or Singer who come from solid neo-noir thrillers; while not visionary or creative have at the very least an elegant style of filmmaking and try to tell thematically meaningful stories, treat their characters/universes seriously and the audiences with respect.
Most Marvel Studios filmmakers come from bottom-of-the-barrel Apatow-tier comedies or TV sitcoms.
Juan Cruz
Mostly, yeah.
Ryan Edwards
Burton hates comics and has never read a single one except for research.
Henry Baker
The stills at the mid section is making my eyes hurt
Dylan Baker
And still makes comic book films that look heavily stylized
Why
Jordan Cox
I like TDK but I agree that the setting was a huge downgrade, even from Batman Begins. It's laughable that Nolan expected the audience to believe that Chicago (without any alterations) was Gotham.
Oliver Stewart
That's what I was saying withIt's like the 2nd and 3rd Nolan films were ashamed of what they were and tried to deny it instead of embracing it.
Henry Reyes
>It's laughable that Nolan expected the audience to believe that Chicago (without any alterations) was Gotham. Well, it worked. Most movie goers aren't autistic.
Mason Barnes
Nigga is dyslexic. He can't read to begin with
Wyatt Wilson
Batman (66) > The Dark Knight > Batman (89) > Batman Returns > Batman Forever > Batman Begins > The Dark Knight Rises > Barman & Robin > Mask of the Phantasm
Haven't seen the rest.
Leo Morales
>MotP last
If you don't like cartoons fine, but this movie is at least better than half the live-action movies.
Daniel Gonzalez
Nolan always rode that line, between trying to honor these characters and feeling a bit ashamed of their silliness. I think that works best for batman who lives in a semi-grounded comic book world. I feel both visions are worth existing. He always focused on the things about Batman's world he deemed worth considering, like Commissioner Gordon's character, Alfred being more than just a butler, Batman using gadgets to have the upper hand and so on. Snyder, on the other hand, has the mentality of a teenager, for whom everything has to be gritty and moody for it to make sense. Like he's perpetually struggling with these childish urges but he has to force them into what he views as adult themes, but ultimately are just cries for attention from an overgrown tween.
Easton Lee
>he hasn't seen Locke
Nolan Russell
Most movie goers are plebs who don't care about things like "establishing a setting" or "creating an atmosphere". They might have noticed that the city looked different from Batman Begins but then got distracted by the Joker's antics and all the action.
Matthew Ross
The Dark Knight > Batman Begins > > > > > > > > > > > > The Batman > The Batman Returns > The Dark Knight Rises
Not even defending Dolan but Tim Burton is more emo shit-tier than Nolan. Everything he touches instantly turns into fucking meme emo movies
Ryder Long
Zimmershit needs to fucking die
It's not just him, it's all the fucking clones at his company RC that are degrading movie scoring
Henry Cox
Batman v Superman had the best Batman
Charles Harris
I'll tell you how much Zimmer sucks. Steve Jablonsky ripped off the Batman Begins score for his first Transformers score, but it ended up being better.
Wyatt Peterson
Burton >capeshit
Nolan >less cape, more kino
Easy.
Charles Ward
>Batman is traditionally a pretty dark character in the comic books Most of the comic books taking place at night =/= dark
Samuel Collins
You're not even trying dude
Jose Jackson
>burton's films >flat matte paintings that can't be articulated at all and lots of obvious sound stages
>nolan's films >real cities
Colton Cruz
>real cities >Hey guys, this is a fictional city that's supposed to be a hellish shithole straight out of a gothic nightmare >Nolan: Say no more senpai, here's Chicago
Camden Richardson
Burton >Gotham with Batman
Nolan >Chicago with a guy cosplaying as Batman
Easton Ward
>chicago >not a hellish shithole straight out of a gothic nightmare
never been, I see.
Hunter Campbell
Batman Returns > Batman > Batman Begins > The Dark Knight > Batman 1966 > Batman Forever > Batman & Robin > Dark Knight Rises > BvS
Ayden Butler
Gotham in Batman Begins looks great, pretty close to Burton's at times.
It was only with TDKR that his series turned into New York 2.0.
Jordan Allen
begins: contrarian TDKR: plebeian TDK: patrician
Thomas Jenkins
As a non-amerifriend I've been under the impression that the current hell city in the US is Detroit
Brandon Barnes
TDK I mean.
Ayden Scott
Btaman Begins had some great set pieces that made Gotham a little otherworldly, as it should. Sadly, it was almost completely done away with in The Dark Knight.
Camden Nguyen
Burton >stylized bombastic capeshit before postmodernism ruined everything
Nolan >pretentious unstylized capeshit
Carter Campbell
my favorite shots from Begins are the skyline looks at Gotham and it appears to be this sprawling endless mass that stretches beyond what we can see and the Narrows form a sizeable portion of the city.
Gabriel Hughes
>I don't like realism
Owen Howard
EARTH FLAT
Juan Richardson
>comic books are realistic
Benjamin Bailey
Does anyone else respect Fox's Gotham? They get the city right
Wyatt Powell
Are you saying that comic book adaptation can't be more realistic than source material?
Brandon Kelly
Are you saying comic books are better when they're realistic?
Asher Ross
No, they're just different.
Ryder Robinson
Oh ya? Read this: That was really rude, you are a big meanie
Isaiah Ramirez
Nolan is bland. Do you not understand that bland is bad?
Grayson Reed
>it's bland because it's not stylized Is that what you're trying to say?
Sebastian Cooper
Accurate, but they are not too far from each other.
Caleb Martin
Batman Under the Redhood is legitimately the best Batman story ever told since it perfectly sums up Batmans character
Nathaniel Lewis
that doesn´t mean that the City can´t look like it did in the comics
Gothans dark Gothic architecture actually helps set the moot and it´s not like the comic version looks so unrealistic.
just new york with more metal and stone figures
Christopher Collins
no, it's very retarded story, more retarded than Batman/Punisher crossover.
Cartoon tho was decent.
Jackson Ramirez
looks like new york desu
Tyler Carter
Any place with a population per square mile over 1000 is a hell hole. No cities are safe from this.
Aaron White
never read the comic but the movie was great
I liked the fact that Batman never once question his morals and went with it 100% his reason for why he can´t make an exception just once for the joker also was great
Brody Wood
You don't need to exaggerate to get the audience to understand the city is a crime infested hellhole.
All cities are like that.
Julian Sullivan
>Mask of the Phantasm >last
underage detected
Gavin Gomez
>>Keaton best Batman
I know this is bait but c'mon. Just in case it's not bait, take off your fucking nostalgia goggles you delusional fuck
Andrew Barnes
The sequences with the rebels preparing themselves in the streets to take down the bane was pure comfy.
Nathan Gomez
return of the joker > all
Juan Mitchell
...
Daniel Sanchez
who said anything about using it inform the viewer
actually making gothan look like gothan would makes the movie look much nicer and give it some great visuals
nolan is just lacy when it comes to setting up great shots. that is why he just filmed it in chicago and set "that will do"
this is just like how everybody made fun of marvel for filming their great "action" scene at a abandoned airport
Austin Hill
Take off your nostalgia goggles for Nolan. Then you'll really see. Batman has never been scary except for this scene.
Cameron Collins
No, it's just a really bad film.
Tyler Collins
Well, yeah. They're two very different versions of Batman. What do you not get.
Luke Jenkins
If you think this, watch Memento.
Brandon Johnson
>Keaton best Batman How can you be happy with an actor who hated the role?
Justin Robinson
How is that important at all?
Aaron Sullivan
I like Memento and it's easily his best. He still mostly makes bad films.
Jack Rivera
Burton's films:
>Gotham is suitably fantastical given the fantastic subject matter
Nolan's flicks:
>Gotham is presented "realistically", which contrasts with the fantastic subject matter making it seem absurd
Isaac Evans
He breaks the no kill rule gleefully. He isn't Batman.
Ian Allen
Following was good too, though. As was the prestige. Inception, interstellar, and 2/3rds of his batman movies have been shit though, I'll give you that.
Grayson Campbell
...
Jeremiah Hughes
To be fair I should have said that he makes mediocre overrated films because that's what almost everyone of those is.
Except Prestige is actually really bad.
Jordan Walker
For you.
Gavin Kelly
Don't you fucking dare say that Hans Zimmers score was anything short of perfect in these movies.
Fuck you
Camden Martin
You need to be 18 to post here.
Isaiah Rodriguez
You don't know anything about film scores
Mason Perry
>memes such as ledger no
Josiah Clark
I don't give a shit whether he liked it or not. Keaton's always been a RL fag, but he's a damn fine actor.
Brayden Jones
Literally the biggest meme actor of 21st century thus far, only Day-Lewis comes close.
Luis Ward
He grins about using dynamite on a thug. He grins about setting thugs on fire with the batmobile.