Netherlands basic income experiment!

The Netherlands' Upcoming Money-for-Nothing Experiment
Next year, 250 residents in Utrecht and a few surrounding cities are slated to participate in a government program testing out a universal basic income which is about 960$ per month.

Thoughs?

theatlantic.com/business/archive/2016/06/netherlands-utrecht-universal-basic-income-experiment/487883/

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A.) this is retarded
B.) this is retarded

>Utrecht
hahahaha
HAHAHAHAHA
>de utrechteNAAR

I'd spend it on weed

If it replaces other forms of government benefits, it could actually be good. Knowing leftys though it'll probably be in addition to other free shit

Curious to see how this turns out. Wouldn't want my country to be the guinea pig though

What's wrong with Utrecht

>utrechteNAAR
slang for homo

They are already trying it in California
arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2016/06/can-high-profile-bay-area-tech-incubators-basic-income-plan-work/

lmao

As long as people in your country aren't already starving to death from uselessness, this is a good thing.

Literally DeTocqueville's warning about the doom of democracy, a people voting themselves an income.

How the fuck is this a test of anything?
They're giving a few people money for nothing.
It means nothing without the whole country participating as that's kinda the whole point of basic income.

What the social engineers are actually using us as a big experiment?

No, that's just crazy tinfoil stuff.

Intrested in this test.
Maybe it could work and if it doesnt then universal income has been proven not to work. win win situation.

960... I make that in a day

The problem comes when they ask for too much.

can I trade it in for pussy

Yes

You also have the highest HDI on the planet. Stop bragging. A mansion in Houston buys an apartment in New York.

communism didn't work back in the 1930s yet here we are

>$50k per person
>marry, make $100k
I'm sure nothing could go wrong!

communist subversion retard

they're doing the same thing with Oakland now

imagine all the junkies/immigrants from the last 30 years that immigrated here are al bundled in one huge public housing complex and their only occupation is to recieve benefits

utrecht is literally our own detroit

Wich communistic country has used basic income?
>utrecht is literally our own detroit
t. Noord-Brabant

Site, I've been to Utrecht. upper-middleclass as fuck. why do they do it there? why not in mudslime working class shitholes?

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mincome

Nothing scares conservatives more.

They are going to try this in finland too soon

It might actually save the state some money when you dont have to pay legions of welfare ladies

Utrecht city has some very shithole-tier neighborhoods..

Of course it's scary. A surplus of good and services can only be provided in an economy with access to technology and oil energy. This access is gained through a complex web of distribution that can be shut off or damaged quite easily.

Training entire generations of people to not work while increasing their populations is utter lunacy unless it's completely assured that we can keep supplying the abundance that the oil-based energy system can provide.

The danger isn't immediately obvious, but it is certainly there. The utter hubris of mincome could lead to some very ugly things.

the swiss had a similar referendum not so long ago. the swiss being economically informed, resoundingly struck it down. still some 30% amazingly voted in favor of this nonsense.
the netherlands being this pink commie green socialist country they are, i wouldn't be surprise to see this pass. if that's the case expect the area to be flooded by immigrant muslim mobs, expect crime rates to rise and local dutch citizens to flee, expect the region to become muslim majority in a few years time

You're right. It can only work in a society that agrees to make it work.

>mincome is introduced
>people have to put in 40 hour weeks to pay others not to work
>mincome leaches demand same standard of living as wagecucks
>wagecucks now literally working as slaves to pay for mincomes
>wagecucks realize this and immediately fuck off to countries that reward you for your hard work
>mincome leaches immediately descend into 3rd world chimpout because none of them developed any skills to maintain the society they lived in

It's basically implementing tax slavery on your working class and the eventual collapse of your nation. Why work if there's zero reward?

>250 people
>An adequate sample size for something to apply to the ENTIRE FUCKING COUNTRY

The problem with basic income is immigration. You bet ya some borders will be conflict zones if they start paying all of their citizens to do nothing.

I wouldn't say basic income won't work, just that the system will be crashed.

Utrecht overvecht is basically that.

capitalism works, if you don't like it or you think you can vastly improve on it come up with a new system based on reality and that accounts for human nature. these hacks who keep bringing up communism/socialism as a solution/alternative over and over again are fucking retarded, when will their learn that their ""solution"" is cancer

Which is inevitable, no?

Communism only works if you have a strong government to keep the population in and the sandmonkeys out.

>Wich communistic country has used basic income?
That wasn't his point; his point was that something demonstrably, consistently failing won't stop people from doing it

Holy shit I'm so moving there. NEET life, here I come.

Any system, no matter how awful, would work in countries like the Netherlands. Easy after you sacked and pillaged your way to the top.

>utrecht is literally our own detroit
That's Almere tbqh

I'm no economist, but can someone explain how an across-the-board basic income wouldn't massively increase inflation?

Surely companies would just increase their prices to accommodate every single person having an extra $250 in their pocket every week. Would they cap prices?

>Thoughs?

I'd be okay with basic income/garaunteed income/money-for-nothing IF it had the following stipulations:

-Immigrants who've lived within the country for less than 20 years may not have it.

-Like wise citizens who are not old enough to vote/drink/military are not eligible for it.

-EVERYONE ELSE GETS IT.

-It replaces welfare/unemployment insurance/disability, etc.. I.E: it doesn't stack with other welfare or social services it REPLACES them.

-It HOWEVER stacks with pensions: If you've lived and worked within the country and are a pensionare your guaranteed income stacks with your pension.

-The amount of money you make in a month from jobbies subtracts from your guaranteed income, I.E: If you receive 960$ a month, but made 250$ that month (after tax and deductions of course) than you get 710$

-The Amount will never go below 50/75/100 or something. I'm not 100%.

^ The last one is literally just a "progressive Guaraunteed income plan" in the sense that I don't want to punish people who work, but at the same time I think "firm income brackets" are fucking redicolous because you get people who make "between 30,000 and 40,000" locked out of certain things cold turkey.

I dunno.
But the main point is that unless everyone gets some form of Gauraunteed income it won't work.

OH, RIGHT, ONE MORE THING:

-If you immigrate out of the country you relinquish your guaranteed income. The Exception is Pensionares/retirees.

-If you're on a travel visa or working outside the country you can still collect it, but you're eligible for the same deductions as people back home -after- your earnings are converted.


I think that about covers it?

We already have a min income society as everything you need to live is free from the government. And yes it has turned whites into slaves for niggers, muslims, women and beaners

companies would also increase production to satisfy the increased demand, thus the impact on prices would be dampened