Thoughts on deforestation?

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based. fuck trees.

lots of it happening in canada

Destroy every single tree and leaf until not a single lizard can survive in the desert we once called Earth.

honestly i'd rather have a big forest than some shitty rundown neighborhood full of dickheads, so no, don't "de" the forests

It's a bad third world-tier method of resource extraction. Fortunately it is all but ceased here in the US now that companies finally figured out that tree farming is far more profitable in the long term.

Kill those who desecrate the earth.

>thing that breed fucking leaves

destroy them all.

Because they're made of money.

And newsflash.....they grow back.

Environmentalism is the real red pill.

Globalist reptilian fucks want to commoditize everything and absolutely nothing is sacred. But we should want to preserve nature.

Earth has a spiritual significance, especially for the white race. It does seem like only white people really appreciate nature.

Allahu Akbar

>Gotta make room for more brown people
Fuck no.

>And newsflash.....they grow back.

Only if you do it properly (i.e. no fucking clear cutting.)

What does a man yell when killing in the name of Kami-sama?

You know, trees grow back retard

I was hinting more at the fort mcmurray fire

This is true. Environmentalism is fairly traditionalist as well. In my case it was my environmental beliefs that helped me to become a fascist.

This.
Preservation of nature is a white trait.

Cut them down. Plant more trees. Trees grow back. They are literally an infinite resource.

Worked as a tree planter in Canada. Thanks to all the stupid retarded hippies they ruined the logging industry. Also it's by law that you have to replant the trees that you cut.
>not supporting the industry of a material that's already biodegredable

Also the meme of cutting trees destroys the environment is pretty dumb. Even your stupid hippy natives burned down forests to help bring in new plant life and meadows which bought in more different wild life.

I fucking hate hippies so god damn much

Also would like to add that recycling is worse than using paper products. Fucking retarded hippies, I swear.

Clear cutting leads to soil degradation you fucking idiot. This is basic ecology.

Cut em down grow them back.

Trees are a renewable resource. That is true. There is nothing wrong with consuming lumber produced in Canada and Russia. What is genuinely bad is land clearance in Brazil, Indonesia and Africa. The difference is that the forests being cleared in tropics are old growth forests that are rich in biological diversity. Biological diversity is a precious resource that will be harnessed in the future as biotech becomes more advanced. The technology of the future will be based on biochemistry. Think of the Evangelions, half-machine, half organism. Evangelion technology may depend on unique proteins produced by yet-to-be discovered species of frogs and mushrooms living in old growth forests.

It's cheaper to plant three trees for everyone cut down. 20 years after cutting one down, you got three the same size to cut down. Replace each with three, in 40 years you'll have 9 trees.
Only niggers don't realize this. Hence why Brazil is raising hell in the Amazon.

as long as we can find a way to sequester c02 better than them i don't give a shit. Fuck the environment, we need all of this space.

And overgrown trees that block sunlight for bushes and smaller plants that provide food for animals is bad as well you cretin. Go back to your (((earth science classes)))

When the last tree is cut down, the last fish caught, and the last river poisoned, we may then realize we can't eat money.

More trees, less room for stupid fucks.

It's not just lumber.
Timber isn't the real value in Brazil it's the cleared dirt.
They use it to crop soybean and palm for oil. Massive returns for them.

Actually clear cutting is a widely used way to regenerate forest.
It's done all the time.

Only real problem with clear cutting over here is, that it takes 40 years for blueberries to return to those regions.
That's about it.

Plants on the forest floor are well adapted to such conditions. Even so, big trees don't live forever.

A bunch of dead trees still block sunlight from coming through.

The problem is, is that tropical forests are a little more than important than what they appear. They have profound influence on the atmosphere above them, and I don't mean that in terms of climate change. The entire weather patterns of South America, Africa and South East Asia are dependent upon them, due to emissions of VOCs and other things that act as CCN. They're the site where a lot of shit in the atmosphere ends up due to air movements and troposphere porosity, and it's the vegetation below which is crucial for removing that stuff.

I wouldn't cut it down, even though it's frankly a disgusting habitat stuffed with vile creatures, but because fucking with it might have ridiculous effects on systems that we have no idea about.

Are you a scientist?

That depends entirely on what you are trying to accomplish. Clear cutting can help certain species gain a foothold in areas that they would not normally be able to do so. However the fact remains that it still does harm the soil quality and thus should be done sparingly and over time.

>And newsflash.....they grow back.
Not quite mate. The soil gets fucked seven ways from Sunday during extraction.

The regrowth is equally as good if they properly replenish the ground (forestry infrastructure tends to destroy areas for very long times). Just think of how beneficial forest fires are

No, I'm just a guy who worked in the tree planting industry and planted 100,000 trees. And also I've talked with many people about the industry.

>polish
>scientist

My thoughts are sad thoughts, OP.

It usually destroys diversity in the forest too, trees and bushes etc

There are literally over 3 trillion trees on Earth. That's about 400 trees per person.

>Just think of how beneficial forest fires are

Abo on holiday detected

Kill Humans! Plant trees!
> tfw you want the first and not the second.

A bigger contributor to climate change than westerners owning cars.

Arent Polish forests a place where teenagers with hammers serial kill women?

Can you really blame any Pole wanting to be a scientist after many times in history Polish scientists were ethnically cleansed?

I worked in Canada.

If the global temperature is rising like you environmental cucks say it is, then reducing the size of the rain-forests can only be beneficial to human life

He said, as his countrymen slaughtered a whale

Until the soil is ostriches of nutrients, and nothing grows I know farmers grow different vegetable every other year just for that purpose. Trees eventually do the same thing top roots suck out the nutrients. Eventually if trees don't grow long and deep enuff they dry that pussy up and turn it to a wasteland pussy. Pussy. Pussy pussy. Mmmmmm pussy w

There's more trees now than ever before

Absolutely

Some trees in tropical rainforests literally take hundreds of years to grow back. That's hundreds of years worth of carbon fixation thrown in the garbage. It's not like three months pass and no harm was done.

Please explain your reasoning.

Actually trees are most efficient at removing pollutants while young since they go through growth spurts and don't smother shrubs, flowers, weeds, etc

Cut down a tree, plant a tree.

That should be a global policy. That and enforce a one child per family law in all third world countries

I didn't say anything about temperature you idiot. And I'm the furthest thing from an environmentalist, my career is in hydraulics which eventually led to measuring methane emissions from North Sea wells in order to cut down on waste, and then on to developing instrumentation to measuring methane measurements above tropics.

Did you know that all our natural methane sources are eventually transported the tropics, where hydroxyl radicals decompose it? And that said hydroxyl radicals are dependent upon water vapour, which in itself is regulated by vegetation?

Fact is mate it's pretty fucking scary how dependent basic atmospheric functions are so linked to vegetation, and how small changes to said vegetation fucks up things. Let me reiterate, I have zero issue against commercial logging, except in the tropics where it's impossible to replant afterwards.

>Only if you do it properly (i.e. no fucking clear cutting.)
Canada has been clear cutting and replanting for over 90 years.

So long as you do replant, trees are a renewable resource.

>paying 3rd worlders 1 bread per 1 football field of 200 year old trees, selling each for 100000 dollars.
Thoughts? USA fucks up whole world, because capitalists are evil Jesus retards.

Most deforestation in the tropics occurs because farmers are trying to get more land for grazing and/or planting. It has nothing to do with lumber.

Perfect. Takes about 400 trees to build a house.

lizards live in the desert too though

Question is why are they needing more fields, because crop is worthless. We also throw most of crops away once they get sold to distributing intermediary capitalistic retards, just so they can keep prices high, then those same people cry how Africa has no money and how they need to cut down even more. Then there is that other thing with bio fuel, where you cut down all forests and plant palms from which you get bio fuel, get it? It's bio, because we cut down forests and reduce some exhaust.

Pave The Rain Forest

Using the lands resources is not a globalist reptilian conspiracy fuckhead. This has been going on since the beginning of time. It depends on how you do it.

Humans have never had the capacity to extract 100% of any given resource until very recently. Your appeal to tradition won't work here I'm afraid.

Obviously it gets out of hand in 3rd world countries...

But in Australia and most of the West, forestry is highly regulated and very well run, so that everything is replaced and not much of significance is taken away.. Still the greenies are VIOLENTLY opposed to it, they never allow any compromise.

USE MORE WOOD.

this, it's not a problem anymore in civilized countries, everything is replaced

also drive around the eastern US some time, trees fucking everywhere

>Environmentalism
Yes, its part of the red pill, but nothing even closely related to modern environmentalism (that goes for the last half a century of green movements).
If you want the real red pill on environmentalism, learn from people like Teddy Roosevelt.
Man is part of nature and can easily find compromise between exploiting and nurturing it. Modern greenies do not allow for any compromise.

Cutting down trees is fine.

But we need to keep forest around. It's important that we protect them.

Makes the world uglier

This. Manhattan apartments are trending now with rooftop gardens, little gardens literally up along the side. And massive parks are in place in and around NYC. But I guess in third world countries its pretty bad. I saw a documentary on how fucked up Brazil and Russia did stuff just to prepare for Olympics and World Cup.

One of the problems is that said balance is impossible with the number of people living here.
We need a way to control population.

Agreed. But modern environmentalists will tell you that the 1st world is the problem, when its actually the 3rd world. Until we accept that, nothing much can change.

Its like how we try to fight the illegal wildlife trade but never dare mention C H I N A and how its responsible for basically all of it. There's no chance of stopping it until we do.

Nah m8, colonialism is totally the guilty of the extinction of species like gorillas (lets disregard jungle niggers that kill them between war and war to EAT them).
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Actually tho, China is a fucking cancer to this planet (in many aspects) that should be reconducted or extirpated.

Modern environmentalists are more concerned with confiscating and destroying 500yo works of art carved into ivory then even thinking about China and the modern trade they drive.

Zika virus

unnecessary
only happens because people are stupid
Not needed at all

New Forest grows everywhere thanks to humans.
Deforestation is a big lie, except in the poor countries.

In North America there is more forest now than before the first whites set foot on the continent.
Europe's forests are also growing and are more healthy than ever in the billion years of evolution.

Also: When humans create or regrow a forest, the plants will be much more diverse, animals have more space and the trees will be healthier.

Even if people in South America destroy their forests now, the stuff that regrows will be better in 100 years.
So don't fall for the ((( activists' ))) lies to extract your donation dollars.

>confiscating and destroying 500yo works of art carved into ivory

pls tell me this isn't real

Brazil is the lesser evil compared to China in terms of population and destruction.

It's a shame.

Urbanization leads to liberalism and loss of religion.

Fuck any 'right winger' who thinks fucking the environment is in our interest. We should all be about preserving our land as much as our culture.

There's more trees in the US than there were 100 years ago.

Most our oxygen is produced by marine plankton anyway.

Its real alright
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The most dirty and filthy countries are the ones claiming to do what you say.
Only wealthy people can care about the environment.

Only rich people can build their stuff out of stone and heat with cheap electricity or natural gas and not rely on wood for both.
And:
>fucking the environment
is in the best interest of humans. Nature is dangerous.
Stuff that does not serve humans or is utilised by us does not create wealth. Without wealth you cannot create the environment you wish for.

since I literally build the machinery that destroys forests, I say cut em all the fuck down asap!

Wait wait, I thought it was the trees in boreal forests that take hundreds of years to grow back, and the rainforest trees were the ones that recover in 3 months.

Jesus christ theres a lot of black and white statements here. And some dumb ones. Its all multi-factor grey area shit, ie forestry is botany, hydrology, ecology, policy etc. all combined in diffetent ratios, depending on the job.
look up sere, succession, r-k selection, all in the ecological context.
Or look at aerial of hati and dominica, notice the land cover and look up their historical land management policies.

Not an issue. Go on google earth, there's still a fuckton of trees.

Absolutely fuckin barbaric, I live in rural AK because I greatly value family and nature over god damn city bull shit

I don't get why they can't just use tree plantations for literally all wood. I am not even a hippy, it just seems like it would make way more sense than cutting down a forest and shipping the wood halfway across the world.

>78751669
Forests are basically naturally created tree farms. Why invest millions in irrigation technology when you can just buy some shitty undeveloped land for way less?

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Trees are just niggers with green Afros.

Samefag here. See, more black n white. Clearcutting in patches in the middle of nowhere ok? Thats where i timber cruised. Nobody goes there or sees it and patches are small enough compared to the tract that ecocentric concerns are mitigated. Or, in conservation areas, shelterwood or selection logging. I guess selective logging, or high-grading, would be an ultimate no-no, but, what if a landowner wanted to naturally breed a "dwarf variety"? Theres no deforestation in the first world btw. Just reforestation of young trees; too late to enjoy millions of acres of old-growth, 10' longleaf pines. Also look up lebanons' historical forests.

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