I want to be a musician but I don't want to have to play in clubs and shit to 1 or 2 people, is there a way to skip this step? I don't fancy touring the country in a van you know.
I want the kind of success Nirvana had, where I don't have to work very hard. Just kind of overnight.
>is there a way to skip this step?
No.
yeah just play power chords and scream but not to hard and pay a producer to make shitty meme rock-esque beats and sing about emo shit
also just be attractive but not too attractive and not too over confident
You're too retarded. Just give up now.
>I want to be a musician
First, stop listening to trash songs by trash artists, that includes Nirvana. Maybe than you can contribute to making good music :)
>I want the kind of success Nirvana had, where I don't have to work very hard. Just kind of overnight.
First, never gonna happen, pal. Second, Kurt worked hard to get noticed, even if his songs were trash.
Youre not talented enough and clearly dont appreciate music for its own sake
>>>
>just kind of overnight
yeah fuck you nirvana was NOT an overnight sensation, they most certainly played a fuck ton of shitty shows and did a lot of stuff they did not want to do. Almost every single band in the history of ever is not an overnight sensation, just seems that way, goes the same for comedians, film makers, actors, fucking every body.
that being said, its a new age, my best friend is a musician, makes all his money off song writing, actual artsy song with guitars and is basically a pop star, but just online, and he makes fucking bank and has artist influence, so, you CAN just do that. but guess what that's not easy either, you gotta actually a. be something people wanna hear b. market yourself a lot c. make a fuck ton of songs like a fuck ton and update every week, unless you got a few good albums in you right now
Why? Leonard Cohen didn't "get in the van", not everyone has to do that kind of touring to no one. It seems pointless to play to no one. Would it not be better to spend the time making a good album? In Nirvanas day there was no internet.
>baiting this many people already
kek
nirvana's not trash, you're just overly critical of it because of it's place in pop culture and relevance. if nirvana was an unkown band and you just heard the songs and no one else had they'd be your favorite band. same goes for pretty much every huge band.
Yeah I don't want market myself, I'm not a whore.
Wasn't Nevermind a huge sleeper hit?
Also the thing with Nirvana was they came at the right time, people were already getting sick of power metal and hair metal so bands like Metallica started getting prominent. I just don't really know how they managed to briefly outshine Metallica Also the fact that Kurt had a 9.5/10 face definitely helped a lot.
Briefly? They've always outshined them.
oh wait that's lil peep wtf
The first show nirvana played was at krists moms house and there were like two people there.
There are a lot of bootleg vids of nirvana playing live in shitty clubs and record stores
Here is one of them at a radioshack in 1988
youtube.com
Here is nirvana on a university public access channel
Yeah I don't want to do that. It seems pointless.
how the fuck do you plan to be big as "nirvana" of all things? do you even understand what you're saying?
Just to be like, feasible, lets say you're aiming to be as big as Superchunk. Who is Superchunk? yeah exactly.
how the FUCK are you going to be anywhere near notable or known without a. playing shows or b. playing the internet game or c. being a FUCKING amazing musician who draws people to them with the strum of their magical guitar? how do you plan to do that, you non-whore, you? cause theres a thing called reality, and you need to know what that is.
Just by having good tracks.
Playing shows is good if there are more than 100 people there.
If there is 1 or 2 or 3 its a waste of time.
It doesn't have to be Nirvana, I just like that they don't work hard, I have an aversion to work. It could Neil Young, or Bowie, these guys do not strike me as "get in the van " and play to 3 people in Syracuse types.
if it seems pointless, then perhaps music isn't for you, because bands often play any show they can mainly because they have passion and just want to do it, like backyard wrestling.
and on the other hand, maybe you shouldn't do it if it seems pointless from a career view point because you obviously don't have passion anyway. people who want to be known for their music, they don't say "I don't want to do that," they say "If I have to do it, I will do it"
if waking up every morning and eating a spoonful of your own shit and swallowing it down without water was a crucial step of making and producing music, David Bowie would have done it, because its what you fucking do, that's just the kind of mind state you need to be in.
Now, fuck you, you're not nirvana and youre never gonna be anything like that, just shut up, you're a fuck, but what youre talking about really is being an internet musician, fine, don't "whore" yourself, just fucking make your music, talk to people, be present in the social circle and produce as best you can.
too bad you sound like a total doofus and probably think you know how to make music, but don't. Sometimes man, people think theyre smarter than they really are. Its easier to imagine youre going to make amazing music than actually doing it. Just try it sometime, it'll blow your mind how much you actually suck and no one likes your tunes. its a fun game.
and also because i'm TALENTED as in i'm literally in the 99.9th percentile of musical ability and songwriting. I stand out even in fucking Julliard. I know that most of this board is full of talentless genetic failures but i'm not joking when I say I have the potential. that's my reality and i'm not a jackass for admitting it or for not downplaying my own gifts.
Nah fro m a business point of view alone it's nt worth it, I get what you're saying about show biz and thats what you do because you love it etc. but it seems illogical
again, nirvana was very hard working. they once drove three hours back and forth to play a show they'd be getting paid 200 dollars for split three ways, and the guy who tells the story says Kurt was happy with that because he was used to getting paid 50 dollars and splitting it three ways, and having to play so much to make any kind of money at all.
You know why Kurt was so amazing on stage? Why he was such a natural? Why he knew how to work a crowd, what would make them go crazy? And more than anything, why he knew so much about music and could write good tunes?
Because he was a working MUSICIAN FOR MANY YEARS
>"If I have to do it, I will do it"
This is what Harry Styles says
and then you go on Sup Forums to ask for advice about how to web
fuck yourself, please god link me your band camp, or your soundcloud, or even give me your email. Id like to stay in touch, but i REALLY wanna hear your work.
>I stand out even in fucking Julliard.
confirmed for sucking
kek
That just sounds dumb, what was the actual return on that gig?
Kurt Cobain works a crowd come on man...
No really it was a long drive, they got paid 200 bucks to split three ways and kurt said they usually get paid 50, ill try and find the video
yeah, it doesn't sound smart? and that is one example, playing in NYC to some cool people is better than playing some college kids in Washington with no cultural influence.
the fuck are you ON ABOUT, I mean first of all it's not just the bands in a scene that make it, it's also the fans, and that Washington state scene was one of the most burdgeoning of it's time, and it certainly had influence. BUt that's beside the point. NO it doesn't sound dumb to me that they did that, mainly because Kurt wanted to make it in the industry, thats what you fucking do, you know one of the biggest reasons why? fucking meeting people and knowing people.
look it seems like theres no convincing of you anything, I wish you luck, julie
BUT plase GOD give me some kind of contact detail like soundcloud or email or something PLEASE
Sorry but maybe Nirvana is a bad example...Leonard Cohen did not do that kind of stuff
I'm sure he paid his dues somehow. that's why its called paying your dues.
David bowie worked his ass off for ten years straight before he even made space oddity
Dude. you arent going to be handed anything.
I really hope you are a troll and not this fucking retarded
This seems like a perpetuated myth.
I dunno, making albums is one kind of work granted, but he was not playing Gary Indiana to 4 people on a Tuesday. That is not beneficial
>Cohen frequented Saint Laurent Boulevard for fun, and ate at such places as the Main Deli Steak House.[13][14] According to journalist David Sax, Cohen and one of his cousins would go to the Main Deli to "watch the gangsters, pimps, and wrestlers dance around the night."[15] Cohen enjoyed the formerly raucous bars of Old Montreal as well as Saint Joseph's Oratory, which had the restaurant nearest to Westmount for him and his friend Mort Rosengarten to share a coffee and a smoke.[14] When Cohen left Westmount, he purchased a place on Saint-Laurent Boulevard, in the previously working-class neighbourhood of Montreal's Little Portugal. He would read his poetry at assorted nearby clubs. In that period and that place, Cohen wrote the lyrics to some of his most famous songs.[14]
That mentions nothing about paying dues only that he liked to go out to bars....who doesn't?
There have been a lot of people who think they are better than having to work for notoriety, and very very few can actually meet their ambitions. The fact of the matter is that it's smarter to do everything you can to make your career work because you just don't know how hard it is, I mean I get the feeling you think you do, but the reason people put their everything into their career is because in actuality, no one will ever fucking help you because there are people who have been working in the industry for ten years ahead of you and they have an in, they experience, they also probably have better material. There's a million reasons I can think of as to why one should do everything they can and a million reasons why someone should not just rely on their musical talent alone.
but like i said all i want now is your soundcloud. FUCKING post your informaiton dude, seriously, put your juliard ass money where your mouth is, i wanna hear these fucking tunes you got
Cohen started out as a poet and novelist before delving into music.
how the fuck do you know? how much do you even know about david bowie? someone else just claimed he worked his ass off for 10 years. Can someone who knows a lot about bowie tell this kid hes wrong
>want to be musician
>want to be famous
you are in it for the wrong reasons retard.
>In 1962 Bowie formed his first band at the age of 15. Playing guitar-based rock and roll at local youth gatherings and weddings, the Konrads had a varying line-up of between four and eight members, Underwood among them.[21] When Bowie left the technical school the following year, he informed his parents of his intention to become a pop star. His mother promptly arranged his employment as an electrician's mate. Frustrated by his bandmates' limited aspirations, Bowie left the Konrads and joined another band, the King Bees. He wrote to the newly successful washing-machine entrepreneur John Bloom inviting him to "do for us what Brian Epstein has done for the Beatles—and make another million." Bloom did not respond to the offer, but his referral to Dick James's partner Leslie Conn led to Bowie's first personal management contract.[22]
>Dissatisfied with his stage name as Davy (and Davie) Jones, which in the mid-1960s invited confusion with Davy Jones of the Monkees, Bowie renamed himself after the 19th-century American pioneer James Bowie and the knife he had popularised.[24] His April 1967 solo single, "The Laughing Gnome", using speeded-up thus high-pitched vocals, failed to chart. Released six weeks later, his album debut, David Bowie, an amalgam of pop, psychedelia, and music hall, met the same fate. It was his last release for two years.
>Bowie met dancer Lindsay Kemp in 1967 and enrolled in his dance class at the London Dance Centre.[26] He commented in 1972 that meeting Kemp was when his interest in image "really blossomed".[26] "He lived on his emotions, he was a wonderful influence. His day-to-day life was the most theatrical thing I had ever seen, ever. It was everything I thought Bohemia probably was. I joined the circus."
no no don't forget it doesn't matter, he's in the 99.9 percent bracket of musical genius, he's simply fulfilling his god given right of being better than everyone and being lavished as a golden giant brain
I don't put shit on the net, I don't record my own music...thats for pleb home recorders
like I said
>if waking up every morning and eating a spoonful of your own shit and swallowing it down without water was a crucial step of making and producing music, David Bowie would have done it, because its what you fucking do, that's just the kind of mind state you need to be in.
This is all back story and still not really anything to with playing to the cliche story of a bar with 5 people in it including the bartender.
So what do you play then? Is it guitar? Do you sing? If you really are so good why not just record a scratch track really quick and upload so we can hear it. or least me cause i really gotta fucking hear your music pal. I seriously need to at this point.
wait wait wiat i just realied sometning hahaahahhaha
youre not even planning on home recording???? goddamn dude, youre....yourenthe best, if this is a troll, its seriously the best
>implying your favourites didn't want to "make it"
of course they did, genius is measured in gold. but they had artistic ambitions as well.
How do I contact u?
OP is trolling right?
Who said I didn't, all I said is I don't want to waste time playing to no one.
>Playing guitar-based rock and roll at local youth gatherings and weddings
Look dude. I keep giving you evidence, you keep ignoring it.
You seem more interested in fame than performing.
Bowie loved performing, he loved theater. Dude went to mime school
[email protected]
that's really my email address, yeah i know its weird.
Post a video and hope it goes viral (it won’t)
I'm going to find out
OP email me please
I will gotta record first
dude I'm so fucking excited right now.
or r u haking me
>I want to be a musician but I don't want to have to play in clubs and shit to 1 or 2 people, is there a way to skip this step?
Are you good looking? If you are, you can skip many steps, forget playing small clubs. You don't even have to be talented in any way.
R U HACKING ME!?
fuck it in the meantime ill post one of my scratch tracks and see what u guys think
lol
I am ugly, inside and out
nah man, I need to record
hey man hows the recording goin
>vocaroo.com
get ur money back from julliard
that's not juliard, that's me, the guy who begged to hear his music.
are you going to do it tonight?
no its 5 am
fuck alright, talk to you later
>I have an aversion to work.
Then you ain't going nowhere my duder
>is there a way to skip this step?
Be chad, bea Jew, meet a pedo producer, or learn to suck a mean cock.
>lol
>I am ugly, inside and out
Become a record company executive then.
>I want success
>I don't want to work for it though.
You are clearly a spoiled child. Do you realise you will never get anywhere in life with this shitty attitude?
Nirvana worked really hard to get noticed, Kurt would constantly send mail to labels, would always be playing shows, Bleach was pretty fucking big before nevermind, their success wasn't overnight
hobknob with Jewish media types
NOT TAKING THE BAIT!
This
If you want to make good music don't listen to people who trashed musicianship
>I want the kind of success Nirvana had, where I don't have to work very hard. Just kind of overnight.
first off, for everyone's sake I truly hope this is b8
>I want to be a musician but I don't want to have to play in clubs and shit to 1 or 2 people, is there a way to skip this step?
on the wild off chance this ISNT b8, you actually have the right idea. most musicians these days fail by trying to process of comedian where you get good at working small rooms. musician should honestly just focus more on creating albums and developing a fanbase that way. you may not like him or his music but I think car seat headrest route is the most sensible approach to success in the current year
>I don't fancy touring the country in a van you know.
well the good news is you dont have any talent or material in the first place
david bowie ate a spoonful of shit everyday
>First, stop listening to trash songs by trash artists, that includes Nirvana. Maybe than you can contribute to making good music :)
Could you be any more biased? You're not even attempting to form a sensible opinion on Nirvana. Disgusting.
It's almost as if you need to gather recognition through doing that lol
You don't have the talent or the ethic to create music
>being triggered by a shitpost
just be a pretty girl and make lofi bedroom pop songs
thats not how it works user
first you gotta love it and do it everytime, do you go to college? take your guitar. do you walk to the park? take your guitar.
then people hear you, then they like you
and then they cheer you up. even if you are trash or too stupid. they cheer you cause you are doing it.
so just go out and do it. if playing guitar in front of 5 people is "very hard" you dont really want it
nirvana was a good cover band
can't believe how hard you got baited this entire thread, pretty embarrassing ngl
in other news practice singing more and you'll be pretty good
You don’t make money releasing albums, you make money touring
This
clone yourself, teach clone to play power chords.
send clone on tour.
It’s not hard at all it’s just not worth it...
Lol “get anywhere” I’ve moved past those trivialities
this is only relevant if you're signed to a major label, retard. sales, streams, royalties, and licensing are still good revenue sources for indie artists.
It doesn't have to be like that, all you have to do these days is fuck someone famous, the Kardashians got famous for being starfuckers, everyone's a starfucker now.
>tfw you are actually at a point where semi-famous artists you admire are now following you on Twitter.
It's weird because even despite this I can't get people to listen to or buy my albums, even though I'm putting extra stuff on friend's releases.
Literally all of my friends are on labels except me, and a bunch of labels already follow me. I just can't sell shit because I haven't gigged since 2016 and it's fucking hard when you don't live in a city.
