Memes aside, what do you mean when you refer to things as "dishonest" and "honest" when it comes to filmmaking...

Memes aside, what do you mean when you refer to things as "dishonest" and "honest" when it comes to filmmaking? It sounds faux-intellectual enough to drop into conversations casually so I'd like a brief explanation pls.

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These are new buzz words that the kids on here are using to meme and sound intelligent. Like SJW and Snowflake and Cowabunga.

It's self-explanatory.
Obvious examples of dishonest filmmaking: Chazelle, Inarritu, Villeneuve
They're too conscious of canonical excellence and try too hard to mimic classics or to appear as unique, in order to achieve recognition and get awards, but nothing in their filmmaking vision feels genuine. When you watch dishonest filmmaking, it leaves a bad taste in your mouth, no lasting memories or affect towards the movie, etc.
Meanwhile honest filmmaking can be something really stupid or flawed, but it feels like it's a sincere and raw expression of the filmmaker's sensibility.

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Who is this?

Rachel James

One classic example is how when cheap movies use phone calls the person picks up the phone and say the persons name on the other line like "hey Steve what's up"

A more esoteric hipster example is when a film goes out of its way to make a non honest theme such as gun heavy action movie with a anti gun narrative embedded

>tfw I can now recognize that is from a Blacked video just from the girl's face

Brit Marling?

it's not like they get spammed daily or anything, Mycroft.

That girl was on Blacked but I don't think that's from a Blacked video actually.

It's just some retarded meme.

La la land
Argo
The artist
Birdman
Spotlight
Whiplash
The revenant
Arrival

Recent examples

I have always thought that 'dishonest' movies are when the director and or script writer present the movie as if it is something else. E.g. a thriller that is actually a propaganda piece or a war movie that is actually a love story. This has no bearing on the perceived quality but non the less, still dishonest.

A good way to wrap your head around the dishonest and insincere filmmaking meme is to just look at Tarantino

Tarantino is the most insincere and dishonest filmmaker in the business.

>memes aside
>posts meme image

do you think rachel james will be my girlfriend if i ask her really nicely?

do you think i could save rachel from a life in porn?

do you think rachel and i could get married, have children and make all of my old high school friends jealous of our happiness?

;_;

>Memes aside

Leave this board.

>that scene where she drinks woodmans piss

It's a meme, you dip.

It used to mean something and is valid criticism. But like most things on Sup Forums, the kids and redditors memeify everything to the point it loses all meaning. Kind of like "pretentious" or "glib facsimile", though the latter was not effectively turned into a meme, fortunately enough.

I know I would.

;_;

Dishonest Cinema: it has quips
(Quips aren't jokes nor One Liners FYI)

It's a way to tell the audience "don't worry we aren't taking this seriously either"
It's to avoid criticism

>this is dumb
>we know it's dumb, that's why we put a quip in this scene
>ha okay, I guess that makes me clever to get that quip and thus enjoy the dishonesty of the scene

>Memes aside

But it's a meme. Just like kino. It means nothing.

>memes aside

>Brit Marling?

lmao

...but they can probably pass for relatives desu

She so beautiful and looks so pure. She was made for making white babies and secure the future of the white race. What movies was she in?

Sicario felt sincere

its altright newspeak. get on board this fascist train already.. woowoo!

>wonder who this divine enchantress is
>see name Rachel James
>google it
thanks alot, gotta go see HR Dept now and they told me to bring my things

So what's the difference between quips and jokes/one-liners?

it's just a meme

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It's a quip if it's a movie I dislike and am about to criticize.

>dishonest filmmaking: Chazelle, Inarritu, Villeneuve

These dudes are capable of quinoa.

When I think "dishonest", I think of hacks like David O Russell, Tom Hooper and Gus Van Sant.

>They're too conscious of canonical excellence and try too hard to mimic classics or to appear as unique, in order to achieve recognition and get awards

Is this somewhat a bad thing ? excellence is something everybody wants to achieve, and it's definitely not wrong to look at previous masterpieces as a groundwork. Your thinking is going to turn the film industry into "contemporary" art, full of pretentious fuckers making non content in a pseudo-stylish way that everybody is going to praise anyway because its diffrent from "flicks"

It's just a forced meme. There is no actual meaning behind it.

shh shh

One Liners are macho
Quips are effeminate

One Liners are said right before or right after an action
Quips take place during an action

Quips are interchangeable between characters
One Liners are specifically to show characterization

Quips are forgettable time fillers
One Liners are memorable

Many more such examples but I think you got the hang of it

My interpretation was dishonest movies are movies that don't take themselves seriously. Movies that aren't earnest or heartfelt. An example would be a marvel movie that has to quip immediately after anything emotionally confronting.

lmao kys whiteboi

Sup Forums in its autistic glory spent the entirety of 2016 meme'ing about how a SJW-story with a minority would sweep the oscars because of the liberal agenda that Sup Forums told them to be scared of. It has now become apparent that La La Land will win. It's directed by a white man and the two leads are both white too and the story has no political subtext. This does not gel well with /poltv/'s agenda. Realising that they don't know how to criticise the film (since they don't watch films very often, and certainly don't appreciate the ones that they do watch), "dishonest filmmaking" was made up as an arbitrary criticism of the film that means nothing other than "I hate it for existing".
This is very similar to the joke in Family Guy where Peter claims that The Godfather "Insists upon itself". But the people using the dishonest filmmaking criticism aren't joking, they're just upset

When it has scenes that are not for the public, but for the critics.

>Memes aside
kek

So, you're wondering how best to fix Sup Forums? That one's simple.

Have Interpol track down the autistic, shitskin nigger pedophile that that spams pictures of Elsa Jean relentlessly. Believe it or not, he probably has one or more such threads active right now.

Then, murder him. I'm not just talking any "murder", either. I'm talking about horrendous, brutal, gruesome, inexplicably-torturous murder. Make that fat, greasy fuck suffer until his very last breath.

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For bonus points and a little humor to ease the mood, have the very-first picture feature a plank of wood with blood stains on it next to the corpse, and the words (USER WAS BANGED WITH THIS POST).

THAT is how you fix Sup Forums.

It's not a trick question.

Honest filmmaker/film = sincere, puts itself out there regardless of the kind of criticism it may endure, though that is not to say it is trying to coax a reaction out of people. the filmmakers have an idea, a moral, a theme, and stick with it, and their sincerity brings authenticity to the project. in short, they believe in the bullshit they are spouting and aren't using it to sell movie tickets.

Dishonest filmmaker/film = does what is expected, or what they know is pleasing for an audience at the cost of sincerity, or integrity. ripe with cliches, or tropes, poorly written beats or plot points that are only put in to manipulate the audience. there is no real message or theme other than some tacked-on idea that may have not even occurred to them during the production phases of the film. it's "dishonest" in the sense that it appears to be saying something, when it really isn't, no matter how much those involved are trying to push for that meaning.

This
Except do it to all the Sup Forumstards who post b8 threads on Sup Forums

She's fucked niggers

I would be willing to chop off my penis in exchange for a dishonest memer to explain to me how any of those film makers mimic classics.
I'm not even suggesting that they don't, since everyone is influenced by something, but just to hear their explanation would be worth my cock

How mad are you, reddit?

Not nearly as mad as poor dumb adult fuck-ups like you need to believe.

t. Pedonigger

How will white men ever compete

Honesty is something that should be avoided when analyzing a piece of art. It's something romantics in the XVII century came up with.

The artist is trickster, his true crime it's only banality

We're already there, look up mumblecore.

kek

all equivocating aside, what if the screenplay is honest but the director and actors dishonest? film is a collaboration, remember. what happens when a director's cut is released that adds elements to the film? can that make an honest film dishonest?

btw, these definitions are juvenile. the user above had it correctly. these are simply buzzwords that don't mean anything but what the writer of them suggests.

>POL made up dis and honest criticism meme

lol look at this cuck and laugh

>tfw she'll never do a scene with Ethan Hawke
feels bad, bros.

THIS

>when a film goes out of its way to make a non honest theme such as gun heavy action movie with a anti gun narrative embedded

This is the only acceptable meaning

movies that have hidden agendas and those that don't

We have a connoisseur, ladies and gentlemen.

but pedos are white/jewish?
what did you mean by this?

this

It's not from Blacked. You obsessed nerds are so bad at identifying porn.

This just reminds me of that interview with Michael Haneke when he talks about why he dislikes Schindler's List. He hates how Spielberg used the scene in the gas chamber/shower to create suspense for the purpose of entertainment. He took one of the worst things mankind has ever done to each other and manipulated it for the purpose of the movie. I think that is an example of dishonest filmmaking.
youtube.com/watch?v=Y_osgrcpes4

Let me guess its from Girlsway?

>women/feminine = dishonest
>men/masculine = honest

Fite me.

So like Hacksaw Ridge when it pretends to be a film about the importance of pacifism despite being full of over-the-top 80s-style action scenes which focus on exciting violence?

>a literally who doesn't like one of the best directors of all time
don't care

That's not dishonest filmmaking. It's just in (arguably) poor taste.

Dishonesty would be exaggerating or lying for the purpose of entertainment. Like if they forced the Jews into a Battle Royale situation before gassing the winner. THAT would be dishonest.

Yes
Good point

That's inaccurate and unrealistic film making

Yes, which is fundamentally dishonest because it breaks trust with the audience when the film is supposed to be based in fact.

>But the people using the dishonest filmmaking criticism aren't joking, they're just upset

this is what newredditgamergaters actually believe

this.
The family guy comparison is spot-on.

Well i guess the point of the movie is to show how crude violence can be, but i haven´t seen it yet so don´t take my word on it

Blacked films are dishonest

>Find a mutt who has sex in exchange for money
>Offer well above standard rate to fuck gross blacks
>Spend a fortune on makeup, lighting, after effects to make her """white"""
>Endlessly shilled by cucks

most porn actresses refuse to have sex with blacks even if they're offered ton of money

For you.