Conservaspergs, explain yourself

Conservaspergs, explain yourself.

And no, this is not an argument about which one is 'free' or PROVIDED by government.

>And no, this is not an argument about which one is 'free' or PROVIDED by government.

But that's exactly what it's about.

The difference is I pay for my own Healthcare and guns.

No, it isn't. That is a strawman you heretic.

Not a straw man. Conservatives don't want to force taxpayers to buy a gun for every American citizen, just like they don't want to force taxpayers to buy health insurance for every American citizen. Their logic is consistent.

>tfw its 2016 and retarded conservaspergs still think thats what obamacare is

>liberals cant into logic
Paying healthcare companies with your fucking tax dollars doesnt make health care cheaper, and you are still paying for it. Making the companies compete like Trump intends to will lower prices due to the fundamental nature of competitive markets however.

Because I'm not paying more taxes to ensure that every American citizen is armed.

>tfw Aussies don't have to pay for Obamacare

>tfw its 2016, the year of our lord Jesus Christ, and retarded conservaspergs still think thats what obamacare is

Well there are the tax credits/subsidies, not everyone with health insurance under ACA is paying for it totally out of their pocket. John Q Taxpayer is helping them out. So yeah, it's a valid point.

>gets BTFO
>resorts to making retarded memetext retorts

Because it's been proven that you are far more likely to die due to medical error than being shot.

But they were competing for years prior to Obamacare, and what happened? health prices were high as fuck and did not come down at all.

Enlighten us then you fucking strayan cunt

Ah, but that is NOT what my OP image macro said, is it?

>Paying money and heightened taxes for something I may not want and having to pay extra to cover the people who get away with not paying it because the government loves their minorities
>People buying items that they want when they want, buying items that deter and prevent crimes from happening leading to a happier society due to decrease in crime, buying items that can be a fun sport and stress reliever

I don't think paying for medicare parts that you would never want can relieve stress or be fun.
Also only one is guaranteed and protected.

Yeah to be honest this makes almost zero sense. Conservatives are total hippocrates.

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You made me notice it's happening.

Everyone allowed to buy guns, everyone allowed to buy private healthcare. No WTF here.

The conservatism you're referring to is dead. You're discussing some shit globalist version of conservatism. The new alternative right, Trump's Right, Europe's Right, Putin's Right, are relatively fine with socialized healthcare, so long as we don't invite every Dick & Harry mongrel immigrant that comes asking for it into the country.

Americans payway more per capita then all other countries on earth, and get a substandard result in exchange

>But muh waiting lists

Outside for some fringe cases, that is a statistical anomaly. I could say you how many americans died from lack of healthcare and compare the numbers

Your more likely to die due to medical errors than firearms

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>>Paying money and heightened taxes for something I may not want and having to pay extra to cover the people who get away with not paying it because the government loves their minorities
The thing with healthcare is that no one wants to pay for it up until they actually need it.

Canadians are not allowed to own many guns though, no good ones anyway. Just shitty huntin rifles.

Septs inbound...
>Dem 8's doe

You can't buy health insurance across state lines, Aussie shitposter.

wait for septs

>muh repeated numbers

You couldn't before, idiot, all companies had state-specific plans. Now they have a state-specific marketplace to compete in.

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Dem SVT40's doe...

checked

>muh numbers

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>You have a right to purchase X
>You have a right to purchase Y
???????

>The government doesn't have any obligation to give X
>The government traditionally has no obligation to provide Y

What is bamboozling you?

can we just except the fact that Australia is a shithole island upside down that collects all of the worlds shit and calls itself a """"""""country"""""""

8888888 get

check this

Retard, there was no competition because you couldn't buy insurance anywhere other than your home state. Now we have the same thing, but it's been fucked in the ass by govt bureaucracy about 10000 times

Consolation prize?

off by one

So fucking close

So, you lied?

hahaha

The fuck is that (a) we are forced to defend ourselves against niggers and muslims because the gubmint won't, which makes guns necessary and (b) stupid people are expendable and don't deserve healthcare--all they do is get obese and leech off the middle class; their dying sooner makes us richer as a society. Pretty simple really.

Dumbest picture I've ever seen here, congratulations. Worse than any tumblr comic.

There was no competitive market place before.
There is no competitive market place now.

What is unclear?

>stupid people are expendable and don't deserve healthcare
Ahh, the god old meme that poor people are stupid and/or lazy.

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So there is government sanctioned state boundary monopoly? In what way there is not competition?

>What are negative vs positive rights?
>Check flag
Dammit

We can own most fire arms, but yes overall our laws are cucked compared ot the US.

I own cowboy guns, shotguns, various rifles, an SKS, and a some hand guns. The hand guns are pracially point tless though because they can only be used on a range and have to be locked in a Box with a trigger guard inside of a safe.

Lol

Huh... Really makes you think...

Abbo's BTFO!!
>I have guns and insurance.

He didn't say anything about poor people you stupid fuck. He said stupid people. Stupidity has no financial floor or ceiling.

>go back to deddit

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And are you circumcised?

And who doesn't get healthcare?

Stupid rich people don't have healthcare? So access of healthcare in USA is done by some sort of IQ test?

>australian tells americans that they don't know what obamacare is

Low tier shitposting. You can do better than this, Australia. Something with less butthurt and more bants.

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>I don't get taxed for not owning a gun
>I get taxed a stiff penalty for choosing not to have health care

of course I am you fucking Neanderthal.

You argument is stupid because the government isn't buying guns and giving them to people, but the government is trying to socialize healthcare which destroys an industry and lowers the quality of healthcare overall.
You're comparing apples to oranges.
Aussie fag

The constitution declares the right for every one to have fire arms but makes no mention of health care. Therefore guns ownership is a protected right. Access to health is not a right. If you want to make it a right then amend the constitution. But until you do stop bitching.

mods pls delete

And? most Americans are quite stupid. Why wouldn't I know? as though you can only research a topic if you live in the country to which it applies

kek

>nd lowers the quality of healthcare overall.
Wich means that americans have a healthcare that is far better then all the other countries. Right?

But in real life you guys don't have it

If you have "free healthcare" and no guns, you have send half of your paycheck to Shaquanda and her seven nigglets, who then grow up and beat you to death because you don't have anything to defend yourself with.

Nobody is trying to give everyone free guns because its not affordable for society, they just want to make sure everyone has access to legal guns just like they should have access to health care, that doesn't mean the AR-15 or a MRI have to be affordable enough for everyone to get one every day.

does anybody? I don't even think the libshits know what the fuck it is

> you have send half of your paycheck to Shaquanda

You already do

>who then grow up and beat you to death

They already do. Just check the interracial amount of crimes in USA. Americans are nigger punching bags, kek

oops, meant to respond to you

Yeah. Look what happens currently when some nigger attacks somebody.

>You pay for your own gun
>you pay for your own healthcare
Am I missing something here? How is it so hard to understand?

It does when the government facilitates health care instead of profit seeking corporations

You are the first person to mention obamacare.

American's have had access to health care since the Hippocratic oath was in effect, that is fine, its only free government provided health care that people say will wreck the economy because it is unsustainable.

"Americans"

There is a government enforced monopoly for each state, like you said, do you not understand what monopoly means or competition?

Edgy ancap detected

Everyone can buy health care.
It would be the same if the government would provide guns to everyone. And on top of that give everyone more ammunition than they need.

because the state has a vested interest in a health populace.

>implying obamacare was a health care bill

The young are healthy anyway.
The old people are just voters and not tax payers.

The welfare state is destroying our nation.

We have multiple generations of families now that have never worked a day in their lives.

With welfare comes increased single parent household which leads to higher crime rates and less civilian participation.

I'm all about socialism if everyone is held responsible for THEIR FAIR SHARE but to Americans, that isn't what Socialism is.

To Americans, socialism is literally the idea that the rich (who get rich by theirs or their predecessor's hard work) owe the poor reparations for the fact that the rich are rich.

If you're poor, why the fuck would you argue??

If you're rich, well.... We won't let you respond.

I believe that requiring people to work and pay for things is the only way to ensure they contribute to society.

Yes, the upper echelon of healthcare is in the US, its why all your politicians, celebrities, and industry leaders travel to the US for everything but their sketchy plastic surgery and artificial insemination that only Indians and black market Russian doctors do.

Most of that is the unhealthy American fear of death

You have many many nursing homes not just for the elderly by for all manner of brain-dead people who you wont let die. Your health care system is ridiculously expensive but families will just not let go and will pay ~$1m a year to keep their loved one alive. Hence your medical profession over-services to make shekels.

Well, if you need healthcare you are presumably sick. If you are sick you are using your money to pay for help from a doctor. If the causal factor of paying money to a healthcare system was you being sick, then the effect of having healthcare wouldn't have occurred (therefore destroying us financially) if you weren't sick in the first place. On the topic of weaponry, denying anyone any form of self-defense barring weapons of mass destruction is a violation of human rights.

Cya.

So now that you realize America has the best, health care is just something lame for loser old people who are afraid of death?

one is a God given right

the other is a service that another person must provide for you, and therefore cannot be a right

More americans die every year from preventable medical mishaps (incorrect dosage, poorly performed surgery, etc) then from guns.

No, you missed the point (must be that great American education system), I said all Western countries have comparable primary care. You go above and beyond that to keep people alive who should have died, it is very profitable (and cruel).

So your health care is great as long as you are already young and healthy and don't mind dying anyway which is why anybody with money goes to America for their critical health care?

You don't get it because you're a filthy stupid foreigner but half of Americans take power into their own hands instead of begging for scraps like simpering beta males.

That's why GOP believes in people buying their OWN guns and buying their OWN healthcare. The power belong with the people and not the government.

Yeah fuck the poor we can always import more

Why is Sup Forums the easiest board to troll?

Here is a easy peezy lemon squeezy 2 step Economist approved process to determine if government should be involved in a market! You too can be the envy of your friends.

Guns:
>Is The good excludable? (able to prevent people from using them, protecting store inventory ex)

>Is the good rivalrous (does using one gun prevent someone else using, yes hundreds cant hold the same gun)

>Is there a significant utility externality not included in the price when the product is consumed? (arguable lower crime rates in gun owning areas, has to be studied though)

Keep it private

Health Care
>Excludable: You can prevent someone from receiving specialized health care

>Rivalrous: Using a given doctors hour of time or associated treatment material does not apply to everybody

>Externality: There is a economic benefit to keeping people alive to consumer more, so it should be supported by a government subsidy but not provided by the State

Someone has to make the gun and ammo so by your logic it cannot be a right.