daily reminder that post modern aesthetics in music (vaporwave, the current bedroom pop scene, meme rap) have absolutely demolished any semblance of the concept of taste. liking something and sticking by it is a way of the past, as now you can latch onto the next artist that is either unoriginal or sonically unchallenging, yet has an "aesthetic" that they propagate in order to shift the attention away from the music. And once attention is called to the lacking of substance, your enjoyment can be attributed to "just enjoying it ironically," making people shells with no actual stances or beliefs, just moving from idea to idea.
more people are obsessed with the idea of listening to music with a certain "aesthetic" in mind, which leads to dumpster fires like "(x song) but you're in the bathroom of a party," which are songs with eq filters and reverb that get millions of views. It's truly a sorry state for the industry, when companies have to resort to manufacturing these "aesthetics" for artists in order to gain popularity, as if simply making music isn't quite good enough for anyone anymore.
This stifling of creativity is ruining the potential of the internet as a bastion for music, as internet music movements are solely dedicated towards post-ironic memes and cultivating of image, instead of the limitless possibilities that are presented with unlimited access and free reign, similar to how social media has taken control of the internet and become so all encompassing as to convince people that there's nothing else worth pursuing.
post modernism is destroying music, and you all are to blame
Please take a screenshot of this post and read it to yourself in a year when you stop caring about jordan peterson and libertarianism.
Chase Cooper
I can't read. What is OP saying?
Anthony Bell
Thanks Dr. Professor Fuhrer Peterson I'll be sure to buy your epic big 5 personality test for $50 on patreon.
Kayden Torres
literally never listened to a single jordan peterson lecture but alright
Thomas Nguyen
Wasted those quads on a copypasta, what a shame.
Parker Hall
I've felt for a long time that post-irony and irony were a way to express yourself ambiguously, and then retroactively run with the interpretation that gains you the most social capital.
However, I think that aesthetics play an important role in art. An aesthetic is a way for an artist to subtly convey experiences and values, and to provide meaningful context for the rest of the work.
Leo Smith
in a nutshell: I don't trust anything anymore either.
Jordan Sullivan
oh for sure, but utilizing aesthetic is only great when it's supporting something, not when it's the sole reason that it exists. brings up somewhat of a good point, altho not 100% correct. there's absolutely nothing wrong with effeminate music, but it, like any other identity, is a problem when the only reason someone listens to the music is because it lines up with their identity, not because they enjoy the music
Jeremiah Sanchez
I agree with this and also nice dubs
Christian Morgan
>Music has been transformed into an accessory for the effeminate. Really sucks that Sup Forums is so retardedly averse to all that is feminine. There are countless incredible female/effeminate artists. How masculine music is has virtually no bearing on how good it is.
Joshua Morris
You cannot agree both with Jordan Peterson and libertarianism
Zachary Allen
Nooo don't bite it
Carson Anderson
Who are the artists responsible for this?
Sebastian Young
Fuck off, I've liked vaporwave since 2011 and I'm not going to stop now because of your pseudointellectual rant on Sup Forums faggot
Gabriel Fisher
I think what's responsible for this is the improvement in music technology. When all people had was acoustic instruments in concert halls, they had to push the limits of structure, form and concept.
Enter electric guitars, amplification, recording, overdubbing, synthesizers, progressively tighter speaker systems, sampling, home recording, etc.
Now people are content with rehashing old ideas with new techniques because the new techniques have such an inherently compelling sound, which leaves those of us interested in structure, form, and concept in limbo.
Ethan Miller
I think this is totally accurate. And I think that production now starting to be prioritized over songwriting, leading to songs/artists becoming popular just because they have good production. Some of them are absolute shit when it comes to the actual songwriting aspect - lyrics, melody, song structure, etc. - and the general public does not seem to care.
James Turner
post irony is litty tho senpai
do i actually like 6ix9ine and lil yachty, or is it just a meme??? i don even know anym0r???
Jordan Kelly
:^)
Mason Martinez
Don't forget lofi hip hop
Jaxon Hall
Aesthetics is antithetical to genuine self expression, which is the essence of art.
Michael Young
suck my ass u fuckin nerd
Henry Lewis
t. conservative who doesn't know what post-modernism actually is and is getting his misinformed definition from a youtube video
Ryder Thomas
t. someone who doesn't know what post modernism is and thinks vaporwave is tearing apart the fabric of society
Lincoln Bennett
>muh postmodernism >much feminization >hurr I’m a big crypto jag off
Anthony Adams
hivemind
Angel Moore
What exactly would you consider creative music these days?
Julian Torres
sometimes the hivemind is correct
Jaxon Wilson
wagner
Colton Miller
not only is your post tl;dr, so is the image you chose
if it weren't for the quads nobody would have posted in this thread
>insinuating that attacking the way that post-modernism has propagated throughout internet culture and the media inherently reflects an attack on post-modern art as a whole
>post modernism Has there ever been a more meaningless buzzword thrown around?
Noah Fisher
how in the world is post modernism a buzzword it's a movement that's been around since the 40s and has influenced various parts of society, art, and philosophy to great extents
Liam Wilson
I am quite frankly appalled by all the ridicule and hate of Professor Peterson on this website. One of the greatest intellectuals of our times fighting against the radical left's anti-intellectualism and stranglehold on universities, fighting against identity politics and collectivism and the traditions of the West. He's calling out the real threats to our way of life and our society's values, not to mention inspiring millions of directionless white young men who have been misled by the lies of postmodernist cultural marxism. I must say this board could really use a good sorting and watch some of his lectures instead of just calling him names or dismissing him. You people are useful idiots of the KGB, google Yuri Bezmenov and read Gulag Archipalego after you're done with JBP's redpills.
>implying not liking post modernism means I'm a conservative retard try harder psued
Nolan Gomez
A movement that has degraded Western civilization and Christian morality, yes.
Chase Davis
Conservative doesn't mean "retard", it means you are SANE and care about the constitution of this great country.
Michael Gutierrez
you're just as stupid as the postmodernists, and at least they can be sympathized with for drinking the proverbial kool aid. post modernism is a problem but not because of some leftist boogeyman that's out to infect the minds of others, its something that people are willingly conceding into without a thought for the other side. the "redpill" is nothing more than a sham, and the left is nothing more than a scapegoat to blame for the destruction of culture through post-irony and its affiliates.
the answer is neither "identity politics and echo chambers" and it is also decidedly not "fight against those who are trying to feminize males and take control of the culture," it's to realize that our society as a whole has a problem with self-image, and that your entire character and belief set can be concealed under the guise of irony, and how ones opinions can change from one second to another based on the vogue and what you identify with.
Ethan Edwards
this
im not here trying to say that "i want things to go back to the way they were" or that "we need traditional values, not these progressive punks." what i'm trying to say is that people just do not care about things anymore. when you can just find the hottest thing on a dime, why would you ever want to explore and see what else is out there (in any context, art or otherwise), and why would you try to start a movement for yourself when you can just join a twitter brigade and pretend you're accomplishing something?
Aiden Bennett
There have been and always will be people who follow stupid tends and shit music. Same thing for people who don't. What the fuck's your point? Very poor use of quads
Josiah Cruz
Shut the fuck up kekisperg
Aaron Carter
60s*
Colton Campbell
Post modernism is already dead. It died the second humanity was plugged into the net and then we pissed on its grave the second those planes hit those towers.
You can view the ruins of post modernism by looking at the variouse decaying malls that line the american land mass. Then go home and order something off of amazon
Hey, uh, tell me in like one or two sentences what you guys think postmodernism refers to
Jason Gomez
this
It's lit
Levi Phillips
a reaction to modernism that emphasizes a more a cynical outview on the future (contrary to the more "the future is now" outlook of modernism), and uses things like irony and absurdism to comment on the optimism of modernism. that's at least my personal definition
William Morris
Peterson and his faggot ilk are morons fighting a ghost.
Post modernism basically meant there was no such thing as absolute or objective truth.
Jackson Clark
You shouldn't have answered user. It's like when you disagree with someone about music and they ask what your favorite albums are and will say it's shit no matter what you say
Aaron Torres
yea, like how your perception of the world isn't dictated by the world itself and how its something you self-realize based on your experiences and ideas. am I correct in saying that?
Jaxon Bennett
nah I like discussion, plus i agree with other user's definition of it as well. mine was more the mechanics of how it functions/why it exists and his was more of the general belief and ideals behind it
Owen Sanchez
It's basically everything is a social construct, all in your head, nation and religion isnt real, just fuck everything.
Owen Baker
No, that's not what it is you Peterson acolyte.
James Harris
being a collection of reactions against modernism, post modernist tendencies are fairly diverse, tho, and are not uniformly cynical. especially since such a nebulous term is applied to everything from literature to architecture to social theory
yeah buddy, that’s right, you nailed it. A+, you’re a very smart boy
Hudson Watson
that's very true, postmodernism (and really modernism as well) are such huge blanket terms that lots of things can fit under them. I think postmodernism is at its best in literature/fine art/more singular and detached mediums (being that detachment is one of the primary characteristics of postmodernism), and at its worst in areas with broad social connections, like (I'm kinda repeating myself but eh) how social medias have connected people together but in term germinate irony and masks that people put on themselves. in older internet culture, the self was completely detached from the mask (as it should be, in line with other forms of post modernism), but now those lines are starting to get blurrier and blurrier, to the point that it's impossible to judge the character and mindset of someone from first glance, because there's always the chance that what they say isn't meaningful to them.
Tyler Reyes
Fuck off, Marxist. I don't consider being a follower of Peterson to be an insult, thank you very much. He's a genius. Your feeble insults wash off me like water, I know you are all brainwashed by your leftist professors.
