I only found access to them recently. Since I played some Bach fugues my hearing seems to have been adjusted to understand contrapunctial music. even the Große Fuge brings joy to me know, it's not even that provocative desu
could you explain what is appealing to that kind of music and how did u get into it? (genuinly interested)
Angel Butler
I have somewhat of a penchant for anything atonal, dissonant, or abrasive and Messiaen fills that niche with some of his pieces.
Adrian Flores
That whole song is kind of hilarious since Beethoven literally created ragtime which is literally proto-rock n roll/jazz. In 100 years nobody will fucking know who Chuck Berry was while Beethoven will live on as a legend.
Evan Foster
Messiaen is awesome but be nice to our God. He created modernism.
At what point did Western art music exceed what was being produced in China or the Ottoman Empire?
Palestrina seems to be far ahead of Eastern classical music, but he was an outlier even within Europe. Listening to Peri and Monteverdi, I'm not sure if they are any more talented or sophisticated than Qing court music.
Earlier composers explored harmony in ways that the Chinese never did, but were also substantially more limited by register and seemed very hesitant to experiment melodically.
Jack Harris
>Earlier composers explored harmony in ways that the Chinese never did, but were also substantially more limited by register and seemed very hesitant to experiment melodically. The Chinese were also much more explorative in regards to tonality long before any Western composers were.
John Baker
what was the ragtime song, I like Beethoven but am still exploring his catalog >Messiaen is awesome G*d would never say that
G*d should be anti-french, who with half a brain doesn't hate them. The best music to come out of there was by the Russians. Also That's fucking mind blowing
the potential of the western music was already laid out in the heptatonic system created by pythagoras. The power of creating great forms comes from the possibilities of the leading tones that other cultures lack.
additional to that one crucial moment was when the Roman music was introduced to Germanic tribes by missionaries. The Germanic music was homophonic while the Roman music was linear. That lead to the prime of polyphonic musc within the time of a few hundred years.
tl;dr the point was the prime of Renaissance music
Jaxson Roberts
you mean boogie, not ragtime
Jacob Lopez
when neapolitans hired musicians to teach in orphanages, accidently creating musical conservatories
That requires spending money and taking action, 2 things neoliberals are allergic to
Benjamin Thomas
Their usage of both melodic instruments and monotone instruments in the same context created these sort of accidental tonal clusters and odd cadences. Very similar in the case of gamelan and other southeast Asian folk music. youtube.com/watch?v=pBOKeVsiJho This is a sampler of one of my favourite compilations. All period instruments and compositions, completely authentic.
twf seeing a concert tomorrow with the same program performed on today in 1826 by Schuppanzigh in Vienna, while across town Beethoven lay dying. Piano Trio No.2 was the last composition of his performed in his lifetime.
Jeremiah Davis
anyone got the kubrick vocoder version of the 9th? yeah, im a pleb.
Cameron Price
savior bump
Aiden Johnson
Damn thanks for this
Gabriel Allen
Thank you good sire you are rewarded with many lil beethovens of your own someday
Brody Wilson
>The best music to come out of there was by the Russians Well can't argue with that...
depending on how you look at it, its nothing too sophisticated or to wear as a badge of honor. Personally I just very bored with musical idioms I've already heard and I'm on the lookout for the next big thing. Personally I think the most sophisticated listeners are those who can appreciate the subtleties in baroque and classical worse while eschewing the idiosyncrasies of romantic and 20th century music. On the other hand a lot of those people are also plebs just enjoying the pablum of simple sonorities while maintaining conservative pretensions.
As for Messiaen, he's a natural evolution from late Debussy. Try listening to Jeux and the etudes.
Adam Turner
man I'm really sleep deprived. This post is a mess.
>could you explain what is appealing about that music? >Hey if you can't get into it that's nothing to be ashamed of, and in fact my own reasons for enjoying it are mostly because I'm an ADHD spaz.
I thought you might have been joking but it's good
Wyatt Myers
Copland: Billy the Kid, Rodeo If there's more it's best forgotten.
Dylan Price
Met a girl and she asked me if I like pop music. I said "no, I like classical". She said "oh like Tchaikovsky and that kinda thing?". No bitch I just said don't like pop music.
I'll never get married at this rate!
Adrian Bennett
me: a cool dude who likes all the classicals and has a degree from the royal juilliard college of classsical
you: a LOSER who probably hasent even HEARD of birtwistle
Jacob Garcia
Do you like Sorabji
Cameron Miller
The daily memorandum which doth state that Rameau started the common practice.
Jordan Ramirez
no
Jaxon King
Why not
Do you not think his fugues are amazing
Alexander Brown
When they say "oh like Tchaikovsky and that kinda thing?" you say: "yes".
Then if they still seem interested you can tell what composers you actually like.
I have trouble finding download links for lute, vihuela and guitar music from Renaissance and Baroque, does anyone know where could I find some? The sticky has nothing of Luis de Milán, Gaspar Sanz, Paganini or Vivaldi's mandolin works.
"When I hear nutcases like Glenn Gould who do: [plays staccato version of J.S. Bach's Partita no. 1, BWV 825, Allemande], I say he understood nothing of Bach's music! I've listened carefully to his records: he didn't understand. He was very brilliant; I respect him up to a certain point. For me, the fact that an artist doesn't appear in public poses a problem. But at least he was a guy with the courage not to do things like other people. All the same, he was wide off the mark, so wide off the mark that you'd need a 747 to bring him back. I'm hard on Glenn Gould. Well, he's dead now, so I won't attack a colleague."
