The Right Wing Rise of Nazis

Hello Sup Forumsiticians

Short thread to follow:
I was listening to a "history of Germany" podcast, and he was talking about the Nazi's rise to power as a "rise of the right wing"

Can someone answer to me the ideological grounds of calling authoritarians "right wing?"

Not trolling, no meme answers please, just, is there anything about the 'right wing' that makes it compatible with Nazis?

Can there truly be "right wing death squads" if the government is totally right wing? Wouldn't a total right wing government be too small for that?

Maybe I'm confusing right wing with something else. Does right/ left include economics?

Thanks Sup Forumsacks

>Nazi's rise to power as a "rise of the right wing"
This is not true. National Socialism is Fasicsm, which has it's roots in traditionalism and not due to right wing. If anything you can say it was a "reaction" to the destructiveness of Marxism and the greediness of capitalism .

Fascism is the traditional world-view, as it manifests in the modern world. This means fascism is primarily concerned with *truth*, which is to say, with objective reality. It also means that fascism is not an ideology, although fascists can employ ideologies to deal with specific circumstances when the need arises.

Which is very different from the right wingers of today and the past.

>Can someone answer to me the ideological grounds of calling authoritarians "right wing?"

"Right wingers" often do not cater to the masses and see authoritarianism as more effective way of ruling and insuring a healthy society.

>Can there truly be "right wing death squads" if the government is totally right wing? Wouldn't a total right wing government be too small for that?

You should begin to drop meaningless terms as left-wing and right-wing. You can't define worldviews, ideologies or government by simply calling them left or right-wing.

Right doesn't equal less government as the american(zionist) media portrays it as or vice versa with the left.

Nazis were left wingers.

Nazis were left wing.

> National Socialism is Fasicsm
No, it's not. The German fascism meme was started by the USSR who felt uncomfortable by the "Socialist" bit in "National Socialist".

No it wasnt you fucking retards

Left and right mean completely different things in Europe than in the United States. This is something to keep in mind when discussing European politics. Right-wing doesn't equate small government in Europe, not necessarily at least.

Yes, it was. Hitler's party was a classic European Labour party. He hated Jews because all of Europe hated Jews at that time, it was a common trend(Poland had pogroms, the Baltic states had wide Jew cleansing programs (Estonia declared itself Jew-free in the early 30s), Romania had the Seguranca track them, Russia didn't even allow Jews to enter their country pre-October revolution).

right wing vs left wing is a nonsensical classification

You are confusing the original understanding of right-wing, that's widely used by historians and political scientists, with the revisionist understanding of righ/left forced by American conservatives.

The reality is that Nazis were right-wing, and virtually no one with at least a basic education on the topic denies this.

""""Education"""" in your third world country maybe. Tell us more about how the earth is flat and how socialism is right-wing.

>The German fascism meme was started by the USSR

No.

National Socialism is Fascism.

Both is a traditionalist worldview that has is roots all the way back to the Roman Empire.
And just because some Marxist Jews didn't feel like calling it NS doesn't change the fact that it is still FASCISM.

Fascism and National Socialism are aimed at creating positive and strong men and women. To create a society without Capitalism and Socialism(The jewish marxist kind). And the idea of a community based on blood and soil with a healthy racial homogeneous nation.

It is not a meme. Do you own research.

What's right wing outside of America then? Does this include England in non continental law times?

No.
National Socialism in Germany had nothing to do with tradition. The Nazis were engaging in massive iconoclasm against the traditional state and inventing a new era culture and symbolism.

So you're saying fascism can't exist in america

Is this because they failed to get traditionalism right, or because they were purposefully non traditional?

Purposefully. Hitler dabbed into Eastern practices a lot and was looking for a brand new single unifying German culture that could unite Prussia and the South (that were as different in tradition as Sweden and Italy) .

>National Socialism in Germany had nothing to do with tradition.

>Hitlerjugend
>National Socialist Women's League
>Bund Deutscher Mädel

many of these youth and other age groups organization focused on the revival of the family unit and healthy good tradition and the German house hold.

>The Nazis were engaging in massive iconoclasm

The only form of iconoclasm they were "engaged" in was in the form of burning pornographic and marxist jew's books and the degenerate art that Jews so much promoted.
And that wasn't done by the actual members of the NSDAP or SA but students and professers who was supporters of them BEFORE they took power.

>against the traditional state

What traditional state? The Weimar republic was run and controlled by Jews. Under the idea of Capitalism and democracy that plundered from the German folk from inside and outside. Yet the streets was rampant with mafia and crime, degenerate homosexuals and prostitutes everywhere on open display everywhere in big cities such as Berlin and you call that the traditional state? Give me a break.

>new era culture and symbolism.

"While National Socialism brought about a new version and formulation of European culture, Bolshevism is the declaration of war by Jewish-led international subhumans against culture itself. It is not only anti-bourgeois, it is anti-cultural. It means, in the final consequence, the absolute destruction of all economic, social, state, cultural, and civilizing advances made by western civilization for the benefit of a rootless and nomadic international clique of conspirators, who have found their representation in Jewry."

- Joseph Goebbels (September 1935)

But at the same time, you can't deny that much of the Nazi brand(as it were) focused on presenting a front of traditionalism.

Triumph of the Will(because it's the most famous example) is overt in showcasing the traditional German homes and the Roman style organization of the reserve soldiers(as is the segment where men are asked where they have come from).

The Nazis were experimental, sure, but much of their appeal was based on trying to present themselves as the guardians of the German way of life.

Where they lacked support in traditionalism was with the Prussian ex-Junkers class because of the origins of the movement.

Fascism can exist in America. If you're interested you could easily find you nearest Fascist Division in your state otherwise I would tell you to listen to George Lincoln Rockwell or William Luther Pierce. Two most prominent 'American' National Socialists.

>Can someone answer to me the ideological grounds of calling authoritarians "right wing?"

Historically, the French revolution (Which started the divide between left and right) primarily was about what kind of government would control the nation. The people who were loyal to the king sat on the right, while the liberals sat on the left. When the monarchy was abolished, the seating arrangement remained, conservatives on the right, liberals on the left.

>Can there truly be "right wing death squads" if the government is totally right wing? Wouldn't a total right wing government be too small for that?
Authoritarianism is a product of a legalistic government. Monarchies were neither authoritarian or free; they did as was socially responsible.
People think of Nazi Germany as a right wing society; however, its authoritarian values, such as the legalistic governance of people, are leftwing in origin (Yes, libertarianism shares that trait) ; if Nazi Germany took a pure rightwing approach, it would look less dictatorial, and would appeal to the collective's sense of humanity.

>Maybe I'm confusing right wing with something else. Does right/ left include economics?
Yes and no. The rightwing believed it was the powers of aristocracy that should control the economy, regulate, etc, while it was the leftwing who believed in free trade.

most people use right wing and left wing to mean economic policies, and hitler was left wing, however thats a no no hatefact since it lets slip how socialism kills millions of people every single time its put into full effect

The political compass goes:
>Up (Authoritarian)
>Down (Libertarian)
>Left (Economical left)
>Right (Economical right)

Daily reminder anyone who thinks NS isn't fascism or isn't right wing suffers from excessive liberalism

ohhhhhhhh

wow didn't know that

what makes it right wing? what about the "right wing" is it?

>authoritative
>economically left

why is socialism not left?

The ideological grounds to calling Authoritians "right wing" is Judaism