Were they goth?
Were they goth?
Grayson Turner
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Liam Collins
You tell me.
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Adrian Rivera
Man, she was pretty hot when she was young. I'm not trying to turn this into a waifu thread or anything, but damn.
Hudson Rivera
So no?
Isaac Rogers
I prefer to look at the Banshees(and a lot of the other "goth" bands as well) as a highly sophisticated pop band more than anything else.
When I think of "goth" I think of tacky instantly dated shit like Specimen or the Southern Death Cult.
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Tinderbox is an outstanding album.
Luis Garcia
This. Souxsie transcends genres. The Banshees dabbled in punk, post-punk, psychedelic rock, minimal synth, tribal, dance, noise, even fucking classical to a degree. Some of the orchestral shit even sounds like symphonic metal. It's crazy.
Owen Cooper
>I don't like goth
>therefore bands I like can't be
Nathan Myers
Were they better than the cure?
Jordan Bailey
Basically what said. Yes Siouxsie & The Banshees are a "goth" band, and they're adored by goths the world over, but just calling them a "goth" band is selling them short.
Samuel Mitchell
reminds me pale waves.
Connor Hill
wasted digits
Owen Walker
I really like when they use Asian instruments.
Grayson Gray
Check out some of their B-sides if you like their more experimental worldly stuff.
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Lincoln Stewart
>this was released in 1980
Landon Roberts
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"Goth" is a very reductive term and it brings up a very trite and unappealing image in most people's minds when they hear the word. Like the other dude said, it doesn't really do justice to most of the genuinely great bands that tend to get referred to as being "goth".
I'd never try to sell someone on Cocteau Twins or Killing Joke or The Birthday Party by calling them great goth bands.
Joshua Reyes
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What song is more distinctly 80s minimal electronic than that? Maybe sweet dreams because it's more popular
Aaron Gray
It's almost as though those are all genres from which goth/death rock draws major influence
This fucking board, jesus christ.
Jose Gutierrez
>they all have paddle guitars
I'm starting to hate them now
Grayson Taylor
Were U2 post-punk?
Ryan James
that's because pale waves are trying to be Siouxsie & The Banshees
Parker Brooks
Reminder that they were also the first Oi! band youtu.be
Daniel Jones
The Scream [Polydor, 1978]
Hippies were rainbow extremists; punks are romantics of black-and-white. Hippies forced warmth; punks cultivate cool. Hippies kidded themselves about free love; punks pretend that s&m is our condition. As symbols of protest, swastikas are no less fatuous than flowers. So it's not surprising that Siouxsie Sioux, punks' exemplary fan-turned-artist, should prove every bit as pretentious as model-turned-rocker Grace Slick or film-student manqué Jim Morrison. Nor is it surprising that while the spirit is still upon her she should come up with a tunefully atonal, modestly sensationalistic album. B+
Brandon Howard
How is this a review? He just spouted some pretentious bullshit and called it a day.
Angel Edwards
Both are great.
Benjamin Turner
are you special
Oliver Walker
What else do you expect from Christgau?
Ryan Butler
Kiss Me Kiss Me Kiss Me and Tinderbox are two out of three of the best pop albums of the 80s(third being Darklands), so I'd say they're about equal.
Jaxson Ross
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One of the best ever, by anyone.
Ayden Young
Once Upon a Time/The Singles [PVC, 1981]
Like Jim Morrison, greatest of the pop posers, Siouxsie Pseud disguises the banality of her exoticism with psychedelic gimmicks most profitably consumed at their hookiest, and voila. Although two of the four unavailable-on-album 45s on this compilation go nowhere, most of these nightmare vignettes are diverting placebos, of a piece even though they span three years of putative artistic development. B+
Leo White
>using pretentiously florid language to hide the fact you have no meaningful critiques
Fucking Hairthony Linetano is a more thorough critic than Christgau.
Josiah Edwards
Certainly had way less duds in their career but I think The Cure's peaks were higher
William Martin
If you're recommending music to someone who doesn't want to listen to something because of what its "termed" as then they're probably not that interested in new music in the first place.
Jace Brooks
I'm honestly not sure whether to be glad or sad about Christgau being taken less and less seriously by people with the passing of time.
On one hand, his understanding of a lot of the music that he's reviewing often strikes me as completely surface level and the general style of his writing is disgustingly smug and self-involved.
On the other, a lot of the people shitting on him are the same people who take Anthony Fantano seriously and prop up his joke of a career, and that guy is just a complete fucking non-entity in every regard. There's nothing going on with that guy at all, he's got nothing of worth to say about anything at all.
At least Christgau has some panache and wit to him.
Aaron Miller
You should be glad about it. Christgau's critique is absurd. Fantano isn't worth really taking seriously, but at least he tries to dissect and analyze the music in some capacity rather than just trying to come off as scathing for the sake of appearing highly cultured. Panache and wit might make him a good satirical comedian but it makes him a shitty art critic.
Brayden Hall
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>Panache and wit might make him a good satirical comedian but it makes him a shitty art critic.
Point.
Some of Christgau's longer writing is pretty alright. I like his Rolling Stones pieces.
Ayden Rogers
>Dark-punk's most overrated artist, Siouxsie has left behind very few compositions that deserve to be remembered. Most of her "music" was actually attitude, and therein lies her importance. She was an icon, and undoubtedly influenced bands worldwide. Goth-rock would not be a widespread phenomenon without her. But, unlike her model Nico, she was "only" an icon, and never a musician. Thanks to heavy promotion from major labels since the beginning of her career, she did achieve a bigger commercial success that the rest of dark-punk's emaciated ranks but at the expense of sacrificing whatever little originality her music had. If nothing else, the commercial scam helped give the genre some credibility with labels, which in turn materialized in a broader acceptance of gothic music worldwide. That is what Siouxsie will be remembered for.
Daniel Adams
Will they ever make a comeback?
Siouxsie was in gr8 shape when she released her solo album
>tfw that was more than 10yrs ago and remember when it came out