Who's the better writer Leonard Cohen or Bob Dylan?

James Cruz
James Cruz

Who's the better writer Leonard Cohen or Bob Dylan?

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Carson Edwards
Carson Edwards

LC all the way

Elijah Russell
Elijah Russell

both suck

Julian Richardson
Julian Richardson

neither can fucking sing and have covers more famous than the original work

Luis King
Luis King

bob dylan by a mile
sage'd

Jonathan Campbell
Jonathan Campbell

why

Jason Perez
Jason Perez

who the fuck has dylan covers more famous than dylans best?

John Butler
John Butler

pretty boy Bob

Samuel Morris
Samuel Morris

Hendrix, like it or not. His version of All Along The Watchtower is the fourth result on Youtube when you search "Bob Dylan" and has far more views than any Bob Dylan songs.

Jace Long
Jace Long

Bob. I still like Leonard Cohen though.

Cooper Wood
Cooper Wood

covers implies plural.

good luck giving me another one.

Kayden Thompson
Kayden Thompson

It’s worth considering that Bob Dylan’s album releases are swiftly taken off YouTube, so what remains tends to only be official music videos (which are few in number), official live footage (of which there isn’t much), and poor quality bootleg footage. That skews viewing figures downwards.

Jaxson Roberts
Jaxson Roberts

the byrds cover of mr tamborine man was so good that when dylan heard it he said that the song was theirs now

Kayden Martin
Kayden Martin

Spotify
169,999,046
9,318,700

Henry Jenkins
Henry Jenkins

youtube.com/watch?v=uPqAvgN6Tyw

just to clarify this is what you are talking about

that was absolutely awful

Ethan Ramirez
Ethan Ramirez

Knockin on Heaven's Door

Gabriel Perez
Gabriel Perez

Ah well, no accounting for plebs.

Ethan Perry
Ethan Perry

all these posts still don't who is the better writer

Brody Evans
Brody Evans

Leonard

Dylan was more accessible to people though

Some Dylan songs it seems like he's not even trying or just taking the piss to annoy people

Xavier Thompson
Xavier Thompson

buh-bub-bobbyyyy

Benjamin Allen
Benjamin Allen

lol if you think that

Easton Ward
Easton Ward

Dylan > Neil > Cohen

Ayden Hernandez
Ayden Hernandez

Dylan - 5
Leonard - 2

William Taylor
William Taylor

I vote Neil

Aiden Sanchez
Aiden Sanchez

i mean all along the watch tower is in no way dylan's biggest track
plus like when you release a volume of music as large as dylan has you're bound to have a few people hear something they can build upon
if anything that just gives bobby d more points

i vote b o b

Ryan Flores
Ryan Flores

Cohen obviously

Brody Roberts
Brody Roberts

Dylan. Anyone who says otherwise is trying way too hard. You can make the argument that Leonard Cohen is the better lyricist (you'd be wrong there as well). But Dylan is the better songwriter and it's not even fucking close.

William Sanchez
William Sanchez

why

Caleb Wood
Caleb Wood

why

Jacob Martinez
Jacob Martinez

Dylan. Leonard Choen is basically trying to be Dylan but forgot to have a sense of humor, or to write songs in more than one style.

Juan Reed
Juan Reed

Anyone who has listened to both would say obviously Cohen lol

Adrian Walker
Adrian Walker

Townes Van Zandt

Chase Morales
Chase Morales

why

Caleb Wilson
Caleb Wilson

Cohen always done his own thing. And he has funny songs/lines, it just goes over your head.

Brayden Wood
Brayden Wood

a lot of dylans lyrics are just him trying to rhyme something and people ascribing way to deep a meaning to the lyrics

Oliver Taylor
Oliver Taylor

Townes Van Zandt
Why did he destroy himself bros

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Ian Cox
Ian Cox

What a douchey comment

Aiden Long
Aiden Long

Wanted to start a new thread, but I may as well post here.

Whats the best place to start, if I wanna get into Dylan?

Samuel Lopez
Samuel Lopez

Start with Cohen because Dylan is a musical midget compared to him

Oliver James
Oliver James

I’ve listened to both extensively. Dylan is a far better songwriter and lyricist.

Jaxon Parker
Jaxon Parker

lenny coco

Jaxon Rodriguez
Jaxon Rodriguez

Neil young is far better than cohen.

Camden Robinson
Camden Robinson

Start Bringing It All Back Home

No

Tyler Lee
Tyler Lee

this is what actual retards believe
Until even a few years ago, it was impossible to even find any Bob Dylan music on youtube or any streaming service

Parker Evans
Parker Evans

Anyone who would look at the thousands of artists who covered Dylan and the dozens who had hits with his songs, including many who had hits with his throwaways, it's undeniably Dylan

It's not a sign of being an amazing writer if you are only known for your versions of your songs, then the appeal clearly lies in your performance ability such as Cohen's voice (granted I think 99% of Dylan covers are inferior to his versions but that's personal opinion)

Josiah Edwards
Josiah Edwards

Dylan's a better songwriter, cohen and dylan are pretty close in terms of lyrical writing. I don't think there's a point to arguing who's better because they're both so great.

Jonathan Russell
Jonathan Russell

cohen and dylan are pretty close in terms of lyrical writing
Are they though? Does Cohen have anywhere close to the range of Dylan? I don't know of anywhere where Cohen was able to pull off something like The Basement Tapes sessions and just improvise such great lyrics while grooving. And Cohen hardly has a reputation for the hilarity of so many Dylan classics. Cohen doesn't really do political lyrics anywhere close to the level of Dylan. Cohen is very niche in his lyrics and themes.

Connor Cox
Connor Cox

Why did you?

Lucas Martin
Lucas Martin

improvise such great lyrics while grooving.
that's what he does in every song he writes. that's why it comes easy. he writes garbage that rhymes and people think it means something and is genius.

Robert Lewis
Robert Lewis

one period/style represents his entire career
I know you're trolling but that's pretty weak.

Matthew Moore
Matthew Moore

what about the period where he denounced everything he wrote and saying he only did it for the fame?

Aiden Watson
Aiden Watson

an artist has to love their own work
Now you're not even trying, his running from his work and fame also produced some of his best stuff

Leo Perez
Leo Perez

this

too smart for his own good, he was clearly a damanged man

Christian Lewis
Christian Lewis

So two his most famous period/styles don't represent his career. Which one does? Christian era?

Matthew Jackson
Matthew Jackson

No, you're the idiot who pretended that last statement you made meant anything. You're saying an artist's later reflection on their work matters which is one of the dumbest things a person could possibly think. However, what I replied was to point out that this outlook actually caused him to create some of his best work so even if it did matter, it mattered in a positive way not a negative.

Jaxon Long
Jaxon Long

I've always come to see Cohen as more of a poet than a musician.
Cohen, to me, writes a much better love song than Dylan, and I think that's the metric most people judge writing ability on

Matthew Bailey
Matthew Bailey

If I wrote some piece that touched people around the world and in the lyrics was my struggles as a fat black woman and I came out and said I'm actually a white dude would that not ruin the whole thing?

Jonathan Smith
Jonathan Smith

It's true that all the men you knew were dealers
Who said they were through with dealing
Every time you gave them shelter
I know that kind of man
It's hard to hold the hand of anyone
Who is reaching for the sky just to surrender
Who is reaching for the sky just to surrender.
And then sweeping up the jokers that he left behind
You find he did not leave you very much not even laughter
Like any dealer he was watching for the card
That is so high and wild
He'll never need to deal another
He was just some Joseph looking for a manger
He was just some Joseph looking for a manger.
And then leaning on your window sill
He'll say one day you caused his will
To weaken with your love and warmth and shelter
And then taking from his wallet
An old schedule of trains, he'll say
I told you when I came I was a stranger
I told you when I came I was a stranger.
But now another stranger seems
To want you to ignore his dreams
As though they were the burden of some other
O you've seen that man before
His golden arm dispatching cards
But now it's rusted from the elbows to the finger
And he wants to trade the game he plays for shelter
Yes he wants to trade the game he knows for shelter.
Ah you hate to see another tired man
Lay down his hand
Like he was giving up the holy game of poker
And while he talks his dreams to sleep
You notice there's a highway
That is curling up like smoke above his shoulder
It is curling just like smoke above his shoulder.
You tell him to come in sit down
But something makes you turn around
The door is open you can't close your shelter
You try the handle of the road
It opens do not be afraid
It's you my love, you who are the stranger
It's you my love, you who are the stranger.

Levi Hall
Levi Hall

Well, I've been waiting, I was sure
We'd meet between the trains we're waiting for
I think it's time to board another
Please understand, I never had a secret chart
To get me to the heart of this
Or any other matter
When he talks like this
You don't know what he's after
When he speaks like this,
You don't know what he's after.
Let's meet tomorrow if you choose
Upon the shore, beneath the bridge
That they are building on some endless river
Then he leaves the platform
For the sleeping car that's warm
You realize, he's only advertising one more shelter
And it comes to you, he never was a stranger
And you say ok the bridge or someplace later.
And then sweeping up the jokers that he left behind ...

And leaning on your window sill ...

I told you when I came I was a stranger.

Gabriel Bell
Gabriel Bell

Bob Cohen > Leonard Dylan

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Brayden Ross
Brayden Ross

explain this

Matthew Davis
Matthew Davis

if we're talking from a purely musical standpoint i'd say Dylan. at the end of the day Cohen has a lot of great works out there, but they don't actually feel like songs. Instead they feel more like poems set to music. Dylan was able to craft actual songs.

that being said, if you consider the entirety of their written works, Cohen wins by a wide mile.

Nathan Murphy
Nathan Murphy

Good choice
Leonard Cohen doesn't really have bum lyrics the same way Bob does.

Nolan Garcia
Nolan Garcia

I like both equally. I think Dylan is in a league of his own with lyrics, he was a unique literary style of songwriting that's different then most. But Cohen is incredible and in his own class also.

Ethan Edwards
Ethan Edwards

(OP)
Van Morrison

Gabriel Robinson
Gabriel Robinson

Dylan - Songwriter
Cohen - Poet

Evan Lewis
Evan Lewis

which means Cohen > Dylan

James Powell
James Powell

Dylan - songwriter
Not much of a songwriter at that. Dylan himself says he's a poor melodist. He just takes folktunes and puts new words to them - that's his whole process. He thinks of a song and rewrites the words.

Dylan deserved the Nobel prize because he opened up the whole thing and his poetry reflected the times and managed to say something in saying pretty much nothing. Cohen was cut of older stock working on tested ground (most of his songs in ballad metre), but it was all deeply authentic. Most of his songs are timeless, and the ones that aren't reinforce his character.

Adrian James
Adrian James

He thinks of a song and rewrites the words.
Do you have a source on this?

David Walker
David Walker

Not the guy that posted it but he references this in numerous interviews, how he “meditates” on a song until new words start coming.

Levi Miller
Levi Miller

Hmm idk probably the one who has a motherfucking Nobel prize in lit

Jaxson Hernandez
Jaxson Hernandez

I don't think because he said he mediates on a song that means you can make the claim that he steals folktunes and rewrites them. Unless that dude has a source on him saying exactly that.

Bentley Edwards
Bentley Edwards

It’s not theft when the songs are in the public domain and he quite often dramatically changes the tune.

That said the folk thing is a little out of date, these days it’s more likely to be old blues and rock and roll or American standards. This has been proven For albums like Modern Times and Love and Theft, Dylan nerds have fun trying to trace the possible source for the melody.

Owen Jones
Owen Jones

It’s also proven for his early folk songs. Masters of War is based on Nottamum Town, Girl From the North Country on Scarborough Fair and Only A Pawn In Their Game on The Patriot Game to name a few off the top of my head. The latter one seriously pissed off Dominic Behan.

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