Independence day

>independence day

It hurts m8s

America please come back

French is fine too

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Fuck off cuck

Ho Chi Minh is a hero whose name will be remembered for a thousand years

Not even Vietnamese

I hope you ain't serious

only if you make me pork chops

One of the greatest Frenchmen of all time desu

You're not serious
End your life commie

He's Chinese

I'm serious. It's getting worse with each day, what you've seen or heard is only the tip of the iceberg.

Communism should never become a thing.

shitty ideologies and revolutions are inevitable to be honest

I give zero shit of communism. But if you aren't anti-colonialist then get out of my country.

Without communism you guys would be Bangladesh.

The best thing Vietnam can do now is accept some market reforms to increase access to the global resource market without entirely compromising your Marxist worldview.

they don't even need it anymore. it's meme status and they obsess over money/shit on the gov on normiebook.

Come back just tell the public that you are at war with us also

>drive out european colonialists who treat you like slaves
>install vietnamese regime that treats you like slaves

I would love to move to vietnam for a year or so but I hear getting a visa is nightmare mode. My only friends growing up were viets.

It sucks but at the end of the day commie and former commie nations will get the last laugh. Vietnam will probably end up adopting some sort of Neo-Confucianist society which beats being cucked into oblivion like the West.

Vietnam should go back to being a monarchy, it's the superior and most aesthetic form of government.

bribe your way through it imo

You mean this site? www.normiebook.com/thongtinchinhphu/
W-what?

their future is shilling for china in the water puppet theater

No one in Vietnam would shill for China, especially not in something as non-political as water puppet.

cute girl
but anyway you made your own fucking grave, America shouldn't even be buying your shit
(although, I haven't researched it a lot, I've heard the authorities aren't anywhere as bad as in China, is that true?)

it won't be up to the people. they'll just throw money at your most powerful ones.

Corruption is much worse.

Chinese stuffs are almost irreplaceable because they're everywhere. But recently we have imported some things from Japan, South Korea, Europe and the US (+ weapons from Russia).

Except they didn't

Thailand a country with around the same resources is doing fine (pre coup)

Communism was retarded and led to massive amounts of brain drain like other things

Maintaining a socialist government while engaging in global capitalism helps insulate developing economies from the crashes inevitable under capitalism. This did wonders for China, not only in 2008 but also in 1997, when state checks on the financial sector allowed them to bypass the economic devastation that not only caused Japan to falter and Thailand to stagnate in poverty, but also brought down the Indonesian government.

Liberal capitalism is dangerous enough for developed countries, but can ruin those economies which don't stand on equal footing against the West.

>Thailand

Hmmm...I wonder what form of government they have?

t. white guy who knows literally nothing about Asia

Why did you stop speaking French, the North African still do

stay strong nguyen, don't let them catch you ngủyen

What's your education like about communism?

Would you accept being frances colonel vassal and eventually turning into Mali tier if it meant no communism?

What's university like there?

pre coup you dumb gook

The coup started due to some dumb bitch just barely winning an election and allowing the miltary to wave there dickaround due to low support eventually she got caught on corruption and now they are like they are

By no means as bad as communism as they can't insult the king unlike Vietnam that can't insult gommunism

Once again the superiority of monarchy is proven, thank you

Because they are better than North Africa

Any colony of yours would be smart to flee away from any link to France

Even your white coloneh is a massive drag on the Canadian economy and investment due to autistic french laws

I'm all the monarchy but Thailands monarch is fucking hated

Even miltary generals have came out to say how retarded he is

You're going to get prick monarchs, it's still good as an institution and the fact that Thailand is still a relatively decent country despite a million coups is evidence

>What's your education like about communism?

Marxism is still a forced subject students have to study in universities. Every single year there are education reforms that costed huge amount of government budget but the result each year is worse than the last. All students from middle school to university are forced to study a lot of useless, outdated shit and are required to join something equivalent to Hitler youth communism group.

>Would you accept being frances colonel vassal and eventually turning into Mali tier if it meant no communism?

It wouldn't be acceptable because people have been brainwashed to hate colonialist and patriotism is encouraged, but it is really better than current state.

>What's university like there?
There are total of 185 universities and 234 colleges in Vietnam. Non of them are in top 300 university in Asia, and there are Laos, Cambodia, Jordan, Sri-Lanka universities that are on this list. Take your guess.

The whole coup is based on the monarch though

In the commonwealth we created a failsafe which is parliament thiland does not have that

Aren't Vietnamese high schools quite good though? If I'm not mistaken high skill manual labour jobs (high quality clothing, smartphones, etc) are being moved from china to Vietnam due to higher productivity thanks to good education

My understanding is from this btw economist.com/blogs/banyan/2013/12/education-vietnam

What happens if you shit on Marxism do you get beaten?

How easy is it to get your hands on a gun?

>What happens if you shit on Marxism do you get beaten?
Another guy here.
No, there're teachers who taught me said that it's redundant and confusing.

Another question what's your opinion on the new rising storm game?

>It wouldn't be acceptable because people have been brainwashed to hate colonialist
Anti-colonialism is pretty much accepted everywhere in the world, not only Vietnam. Ask any Indonesians or Moroccans if they like colonialism.

Did she mean that in the way that leading a debunked theory is redundant or in the way that how it is thought is slow and uneccery

The second one.

>Aren't Vietnamese high schools quite good though? If I'm not mistaken high skill manual labour jobs (high quality clothing, smartphones, etc) are being moved from china to Vietnam due to higher productivity thanks to good education

Fuck no, the main reason is cheap labor cost, cheap long-term land rentals and regional province officials is easily bribed to ignore environmental safety controls, labor rights among other things.

>What happens if you shit on Marxism do you get beaten?
Depends where you live, and where you shit on it. In most care it is harmless and nobody gives a shit. But if you do it on Facebook and have teachers on your friendlist or boast about it at school you can get expelled or lower scores something like GPA equivalent.

>How easy is it to get your hands on a gun?
Depends on how much money do you have, where you live and connections. But with right amount of money and thug connection you can get your hand on a old model or hand-made gun for $300-700 USD.

>being a cuck from a cuck country with a cuck Latin writing system

Ours is day 7.

Prolly gonna check some of the military events, they're pretty cool.

I want to recreate Indochina under french control. Do you want an Indochina 2.0 ?

>Fuck no, the main reason is cheap labor cost, cheap long-term land rentals and regional province officials is easily bribed to ignore environmental safety controls, labor rights among other things.

All of these things can gotten in India or china

Anyway I'm going to bed you cunts should post more would rather see Vietnamese banter than "do you love Japan"

>cute girl
Thanks, I photograph qts in my free time. The reason you haven't heard much because the media don't give a shit about small countries and the nature of shady shit requires concrete proof before it get published and that's really difficult.

My family have government connections and there's much worse thing under the surface. Most people with wealth and power knows better, half of my relatives have fled to Australia, Germany and Sweden through paid marriage to gain residential permit to avoid upcoming storms.

Only brainwashed retards still believe this country has any future.

Eh, seems good. But I stopped playing fps a while ago, only play some Hearts of Iron 3 or CK2 occasionally.

>All of these things can gotten in India or china

There are a few reasons:
- relationship between countries invested in Vietnam and China i.e: Japan.
- labour cost have risen in China, it is higher compared to Vietnam as of now
- China gov have been shown efforts in fighting corruption in recent years

Are the younger generation more progressive? Just wait until all the commie grandpas to die

Fair point desu need to do more studying on the subject

Also do you ever put your bingis in there bacons :DDD

come home yellow man

How is Marxism "debunked".

None of Marx's central precepts have been refuted. Even if mainstream economists reject the labor theory of value, this model can easily be reconciled with more mainstream marginalist models. Marxian economists, from Bukharin to Sweezy to Kalecki to Cockshott.

Moreover, the LTV was as foundational to Smith and Ricardo as it was for Marx, yet no bourgeois economists say we must disregard their theories for that reason.

What kind of Marxism is taught in Vietnam?

Is there a big focus on Western economic imperialism and the exploitation of third world economies?

Do Vietnamese politicians say their capitalist economy is socialism?

I have seen numbers of Vietnamese youth (born in 199x - 2k) voicing opinions about current state of the society and making fun of the government incompetence, but they still are too afraid to touch politics and generally don't care.

>third world liberal who shills for Western capitalism literally wants his country to be colonized again

kek, every time

>19th century liberal capitalism
>more progressive than socialism

>What kind of Marxism is taught in Vietnam?
I can't be fucked to find out t b h, I went to a private school so I didn't have to bother with it nor original Marxism ideology beyond the basics. But it is probably fucked up since it gets mixed with Ho Chi Minh ideology as well.

>Is there a big focus on Western economic imperialism and the exploitation of third world economies?
Not really, our economy is being exploited by China and Western simply can't compete, with China sharing our border. I.e: projects doesn't get approved because some Western corporation refuses to bribe while China sought to bribe.

>Do Vietnamese politicians say their capitalist economy is socialism?
They calls it something like "capitalism economy follows socialism route" or something like that, I can't quite translate it. But when asked what is socialism route they openly declared it on TV/newspaper numerous times that they don't know yet. Kek.

>he thinks China isn't groping all of SEA waiting for their big break

Back to >>leddit dumb shart

If you want to sound reasonable don't spout bourgeois like some social justice anti-w*te faggot

Marx was correct on issues of equality but his path to getting there is damaging and unequal

Then again you live in your parents basment where wage restrictions wont effect you

Back to red*it shart master

This railroad was built by the French. It's 2017 and we are still using the same fucking rail system left by the French because our government doesn't know how to build anything better.

Btw there are huge statues that cost millions of USD to build, roads that cost $5000 USD per square meter, even more expensive than fucking NASA launch ground that easily get damaged every time there are heavy rain. That's how corrupted this shit hole is. We have the money, but it's not going to places that make the civilian life or economy better.

>I went to a private school
figured they would have done away with those

Marx didn't really offer a path to getting anywhere. He was an analyst like Hayek rather than a prescriptive policy wonk like Milton Friedman. What Marx identified was that capitalism has inherent contradictions that appear to have no resolution other than through the abolition of the whole system.

Under capitalism, the need for national and private economies to indefinitely expand leads to constant instability, leading the material conditions of working people to worsen. As capitalism continues to develop, capital itself increasingly accumulate as fewer and fewer people hold more and more wealth. This leads to a shrinking ruling class and a growing working class, as well as wage stagnation and increased exploitation which slowly lower the quality of life of people living in capitalist countries.

In such a system, there is no way out other than to abolish commodity production and the profit-based economy. Essentially all mainstream prescriptive economics amounts to staving-off this future though expansion, automation, and the suppression of labor movements.

Revisionism is a hell of a drug

Want Ho Chi Minh ideology just "fuck off imperialists"?

Nah I work for $13/hour for a local news station so a nationally increased minimum wage would improve my life, as would single payer and housing subsidies and other social democratic policies I support.

Internet right wingers are far more likely to be NEETs cause it takes a special type of insulation and removal to think reconquering Jerusalem or banning interracial marriage is the most pressing political issue of our time.

>so a nationally increased minimum wage would improve my life
Even though it did exactly the opposite in Washington

Absolute administrative subdivision of (You) m8

I hope as a janitor or some kind of paid intern

get

I'm a student at LSE my old lecturer was taught by kalecki

Your points Crux is based on "human" concept as getting somewhere while modern social economics which Marx opposes is based on natural flow cumulative of crisis and desperation

Everything Marx proposes is the equivalent of facism ( I don't mean that in a inherently negative way but seeing that you post Stalin images you must love it) boom and bust is your problem in your point yet it's also your soloution to "the rich get richer and richer" boom and bust are purely natural events in nature

I'm far more fucking educated than your pathetic street shitting self on the subject to even understand that
1 I'm never going to persuade you otherwise
2 marxist ideology at it's core is based on a neighbourhood/town a small social and economic group with similarities easy to manipulate

The problem is people that like Marxism aren't fucking educated so they asssume it will work well for a nation

I write news stories for millions to consume :^)

Yet the evedance is mountingly clear that "right wingers" on the internet are in higher education or have a high school education job

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Once again

FUCK OFF

If I can show this lady my gaulish axe, then I accept

The boom and bust cycle is natural only in the context of liberal capitalism. A better, more reliable system centered around need fulfilment and the social good would not be bound to these factors and would not doom millions of normal people to poverty thanks to the mistakes of some dipshit Wall Street grifters.

Our current form of economic organization is very good at delivering cheap goods to rich countries and cheap jobs to poor countries, but has little reliability or sustainability. The booms are getting smaller and the busts are getting bigger as inequality skyrockets and capitalists become more powerful. Unless you guys can figure out some way to fix this while also preserving private commodity production, your whole system is going to collapse unto itself.

Originally yes, but he became a faggot after gaining power and his followers created more bullshit to immortalize him just like what N.Korea did with the Kim family.

Funfact: Ho Chi Minh samefagged using 175 different pen names to write great things about him as well bullshit and baseless accusions of others. The greatest book about Ho Chi Minh life praised him to the heavens was written by himself under a different name.

The communist party of Vietnam published all of his pen names themselves on their website, but every little Uncle Ho lover will call me a SVN supporter for pointing out that fact when when my grandfather fought the French and Murrican and worked his way up to Senior Colonel rank in the NVA.

wait wait wait

so u be saying we're incompetent?

I'm sure a blogger whose works are seen by """millions""" of people knows more about the business cycle than people who've spent their entire lives studying the subject

fuck off bud

DESU senpai you cunts are competent at conquering Europe and not being and not sperging out by killing everyone while doing it

Also having Russia as your lapdog

>tfw South Vietnam didn't go the same route as South Korea
It hurts

>huuur duuuur every french colony is Mali and every british colony is Australia or America

Maybe you should have listened to us the first time and not resisted. Too late now m8.

Did someone say landwar is Asia?

>not killing everyone while doing it

It was probably a mistake

Do some research my obese friend

It's called "globalism"

Boom and bust was a much more crude concept
Unless we see a whole economy based on bitcoin(Dutch tulip mania) your argument is meaningless information and education is more readily available a problem I won't deny but thankfull this lovely contenent exsists called Africa which will continue the boom and bust Trend

As countries reach the "end stages of capitalism" as Marx puts it we will be forced to invest in countries like Africa (much like what china is doing) now you can look at the "end stage of capitalism" and see it as a boom or bust situation or a time social economic instability (civil war) that is a debate you aren't ready for as you don't even understand your own argument

Good God are all Vietnamese girls that cute?

China didn't weather the 2008 crisis you fucking mong. They massively ballooned their public financing to avoid losing industries to demand destruction. A conservative estimate puts Chinese public debt at around 250% of GDP, but mainstream economists believe it may be much higher. Worse than that, all this debt is tied up in state-owned capitalist ventures in the form of loans, many of which are non-performing. It's basically leading up to something like the 2008 crisis but on a much larger scale. With slowing economic growth, China is one American recession away from descending into a massive depression the likes of which have not been seen for nearly a century.

And this is all before you factor in how dependent the Chinese are on Middle Eastern oil. When you put all this together, China looks a lot less like the economic power of the future and more like late-2000s America with a countryside full of peasants living on less than a dollar a day.

I'd sooner bet on Japan...

hell no. but ones with western diets usually turn out better.

we have the utter shit ugly ones with shit personalities like any other group though.

t. vietnamese

t. Cuck

I will take your women and you will like it

How is the war taught in schools? Is it super biased against the west?

>I've heard the authorities aren't anywhere as bad as in China,

>>As of March 2016, it stands at approximately CN¥ 28 trillion (US$ 4.3 trillion), equivalent to about 41% of GDP.

so who is right you're saying it's 250% but wiki says it's 41%?

and i do think China weathered the 2008 recession. America shrank in GDP while China continued to grow, albeit slower then projected, but still not enough to be called a recession.

No, but most of them are. Sadly they follows shitty S.Korea fashion trends that make themselves uglier.

>western diet
You probably have shit taste and like plastic surgery bimbos with shitty makeup then. Kys

Extremely biased against America but not so much about European countries, I can't be fucked to summarize it. A lot of bullshit like American soldier killed children and ate them.

>If I'm not mistaken high skill manual labour jobs (high quality clothing, smartphones, etc) are being moved from china to Vietnam due to higher productivity thanks to good education

The low-cost low value sweatshop shit is outsourced to Vietnam.
Hence our $2,000 per capita GDP.

That number excludes local government financing vehicles, which data isn't widely available for, and for special loans from the big Chinese banks, all of which are directly controlled by the state.

Reuters has an excellent article explaining the breakdown of Chinese debt: fingfx.thomsonreuters.com/gfx/rngs/CHINA-DEBT-GRAPHIC/0100315H2LG/

Do the kids buy it? If an American visited the country would he get shit on?

okay then shouldn't we say we don't know instead of using an inflated number like 250% that's kind of fear mongering.

welp i don't really care that much i only care enough to read the wiki page.

seems a lot of unknown shit from everyone imo.

Read the Reuters article. 250% is the lower-bound of estimates. It may actually be higher.