There seem to be two major positions on No-Fap:
1. Porn is degenerate, no-fap is redpilled and will restore your masculinity.
2. No-fap is for betas who blame all their problems on fapping instead of actually bettering themselves.
Full disclosure, I am of the opinion that both of the above are true, but I wanted to get pol's take on no-fap, porn, and masturbation in general.
I literally dont know what i would do if i didnt fap.
I mean it feels good and it's not harming anyone and it's just something fun to do a couple times a day.
1 is correct
both sides are extremes.
You just get less sensitive and used to the death grip of your hand and the countless women you watch during one fapping session.
Go fuck a real woman and you'll see. Even fucking a legit prostitute is better than fapping to porn. Helps you train your self control as well.
>implying no gf
what about le scientist meme men should unload 2 times a week minimum?
Someone give me proof with solid sources that I should stop fapping.
I masturbate about every 2-3 days and still have sex with my girlfriend about that many times a week. How would stopping benefit me?
No-fap is retarded self-harm unless you are able to have regular sex.
A real man can fap or do whatever the fuck he wants and still be tough and still be a man.
It takes a true loser pussy wimp to think that all of their problems come from stroking their cock off. Additionally, if stroking your cock really does cause you problems, youre a huge faggot for letting it happen.
All nofap does is provide the illusion of accomplishment. I didnt fap today. I did something. The problem is, you cant accomplish something with inaction. Not doing something is not an accomplishment.
What's the difference between regular sex and regular masturbation?
Essentially nothing. Thats why masturbation is possible. Your body cant tell the difference.
When I no-fap I find that I waste more time thinking about sex / hitting up women / etc. I never go for more than a few days.
I'd rather have my sex drive be something that just goes away instead of letting it own my time. Team fap.
There are differences in terms of endorphin release, etc.
But I would argue that there is a difference between an hour long fap session to porn and cracking out a quick one before a shower.
1, excessive porn fucks you up mentally.
OP, I've been no-fap for 8 days now and I'm trippin balls. or tripping over them, I'm not sure which.
Fap stops you from getting layed
> but women are evil wah wah
Fap distracts you from self-improvement
> implying you have natural self control
But muh dopamine and rewiring is weakening me
> better spend the evening playing memes on Sup Forums
No-fap is a last ditch effort from genetically hard-wired betas to seize the last thing they have control of in life, miserably fail, then finally lose it and shoot up.
I just see it the as the ultimate challenge.
Plus your brain will forget all that fuckt up / degenerate porn.
Technically, I'm doing no-fap right now because I haven't made big cums for two days as of today, but I don't take it as seriously as I used to.
regular fapping is healthy.
fapping multiple times every day is unhealthy
That's not even close to true, feel free to google it yourself, but you feel completely different after cumming in a girl and after cumming in your hand
Having sex with someone you care about is 100000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000x than porn.
There is no argument against this. Until we have actual VR (the entire consciousness and all five senses interacting with a digital environment) then I don't care how hot the girl on screen is, it's still not the real thing. By masturbating, you are taking the easy way and you are getting much, much, MUCH less out of it than you would if you actually went out and got laid.
t. Normie
What about this OP
1. Touching your weiner all the time and other people arent touching your weiner
2. Stop touching your weiner and ONLY let woman play with your wiener
What grown man is going to defend grabbing his wiener like a child all the time
Remember when you were a little kid and you first found out your wiener was a crazy thing and your parents would say "Stop touching yourself"
Ya that shit didnt stop at adulthood
Let women touch your wiener
stop touching your wiener all the time perv
Pornography is degenerate and sinful. Gay/Lesbian porn even more so.
Masturbation is okay in moderation. Don't let it consume you though
>Remember when you were a little kid and you first found out your wiener was a crazy thing and your parents would say "Stop touching yourself"
who the fuck did this
>Once went a week and a half with nofap
>Felt better, clearer head to focus on shit
>Saw a chick in ultra tight yoga pants and nearly came in my pants
>Fapped 6 times and I'm 25
>Haven't done nofap since, but started again yesterday because it wastes so much time.
Here's to nofap, brothers. I'd rather spend that time reading or working out.
> major positions
The minor positions are so much better though.
The redpill is no-porn, not no-fap. But if you are beating it 5 times a day maybe no-fap would be a good test of willpower too, because most are just pussys that wouldn´t last a week.
>dedicate all that time and effort to get laid
>think it's worth it
lel how does it feel to be a puppet for women?
I hear parents yell at their kids while im in a random store like target walmart and kmart all the time
"STOP TOUCHING YOURSELF"
You werent totally stoked with your wiener at age 4-6?
Everyone was mind blown by theirs
"Scandinavian"
Ah well that explains no balls no fun
Good luck brother
We now live in a time where women taking selfies, sticking their tongue out, dressed as sluts wanting a cumshot is "NORMAL".
How does that make you feel, Sup Forums? I find it disgusting myself.
You don't have to meme not masturbating as some kind of movement. Only a fool does not research the biological effects of masturbation, and only a fool would continue masturbating needlessly after educating themselves
Let fools be fools. Their weak genes keep them pacified and depressed and useless. They will erase themselves from the gene pool and nothing of value will be lost. We need strong white males to mate, we don't need any more fragile aberrations that only exist because marriage was a requirement. It is imo the biggest failure of the church, eugenics is the future for both the strong of mind and the strong of body
wow,
this tread not masturbating isn't going to make you more alpha and masterbating dosent make you beta fucking hell ALPHA/BETA BS IS FOR UNEVOLVED & PACK BASED ANIMALS NOT HUMANS
how old are u? i fap all the time and i have a big titted wife who was a college athlete and i have 3 kids. i fap before i go to the gym. lots of times i jerk off in the morning and fuck my wife at night. the no fap stuff is retarded- insanity.
Sup Forums doesn't count as reading, but i encourage the /fit/ life
>eugenics
clam down Hitler 2.0
They also flash their ankles at young men and commit infidelity with their eyes.
While that is technically true, not masturbating helps with testosterone levels and if you can control your urges it improves your ability to speak with women. Since we speak with our dick most of the time.
5 days here. I'm cranky and can't stop moving
> beta
> cucked by own religion and surrounding shit-tier society
> mudslime
It would seem like a lot of effort from your perspective. Please don't bomb a school on the way out.
Then get a gf and unload in her twice a week?
No-Fap is not a meme.
It won't restore your masculinity by itself, but it will free up lots of energy and resources to pursue that goal. Girls will notice you more as you look more vigorous and healthy.
>Pornography is degenerate and sinful
This. Imagine how desperate and empty inside those poor girls have to be to degrade themselves on camera.
Nigga I've read 10 books this year already. Just finished A Knight of the Seven Kingdoms (Song of Ice and Fire "prequels"). I /lit/ so hard. I only Sup Forums when I'm on the shitter or at work.
5 days here to user
We can make it bro
just stay active
Dont think about it
just do other shit
WERE ALL GONNA MAKE IT BRO
I'd rather be a "puppet for women" as you call it, than being a beta kissless virgin like you. Then again I've never had any problems with getting laid, but we all can't have 9/10 aryan aesthetics. You could try immigrate to Germany and work-out o couple of years at the gym to build up the confidence it takes to at least rape a white woman.
You don't need to be no fap you just need to fap without using degenerate fucking porn which is the true problem.
NoFap is interesting but they dont do any harm so i ignore them.
I think the kind of people who frequent and use NoFap are probably losers who dont think highly of themselves or their social abilities, they lack goals and probably are the kind of anime dweebs you see in the halls, not the weird ones that dress like degenerates, just the socially awkward ones that seem kinda shy.
You always hear things on that subreddit like "I stopped fapping and i actually started being able to talk to girls and sheit!" and i think its sort of a placebo affect... they feel they've lost control over their urgues or that they've used fapping as a fall-back for so long and its caused a drop in their social interaction.
Giving themselves a goal and working towards/completing that goal probably gives them a confidence boost and probably coupled with the belief they'll be better socially by doing it works as a placebo to actually give them a better social life and interactions with women. because really, im sure most of these people know whats socially acceptable or not... to a degree, but they're just not confident enough to actually be social.
TL;DR, i think its whatever works, if it works out well for them and they better themselves through it, i've got no qualms about it.
The weak leftover males from WW2 are the reason we are in such a mess. All the alphas died
This there are differences medically shown. And I notice them as well.
When I have actual sex I'm a calmer, nicer person and my head is clearer.
When I jerk off I often feel depressed soon after. I also don't think as quickly or clearly and I get irritable more easily
You spend much more time with woman than with your hand. Obviously fapping is better, unless you got something more with a woman than just sex.
>couple times a day
user.....I......
I have been semi-fap free for 5 months now. I stopped at the beginning of Lent. I say semi because every few weeks I'll prep myself. If I haven't had sex in a couple days with my wife I'll do some edging that way later in the night I'll bust a huge but in my wife.
Honestly it feels pretty good to be fap free. It has really freed me from my occasional porn viewing. I would maybe watch porn once a week during a fap session. Now I rarely watch porn. I would feel bad would get excited for some "me time" when I was home alone. I feel some shame for bring selfish with my sexual pleasure. So really feels with that aspect.
no it doesnt, theres no evidence what effects testorne levels is having real sex and that only last about 10-20mins before and then 10-20mins after.
mastrbation how ever has no effect on testorne theres very little study into this area and yes there are minute changes and i mean ng NANO GRAMS and only like 0.5ng change after 3 weeks but that can be becouse the male stated running daily or stated to get better rest becouse instead of fapping before bed he just went to sleep.
THERE IS ZERO & I MEAN ZERO EVIDNCE TAT BASING THE BISHOP OR NOT CHANGES TESTORONE.
>Then get a gf
But I just have the one dragon ball my grandfather left me.
>Implying that war wasn't common in Europe for the last 2000 years.
The only reason I'm no-fapping is because me and this girl plan on fucking soon. Idk if no gap will help with my performance or not, but when I lost my virginity to a whore, I had a hard time getting hard..because she was a whore and I had jerked off recently. This time around I actually have feelings for this girl and I want to do it right so no fap it is
>getting this emotional and riled up
nice damage control
silly bootlicking doormats and their intense womanly emotions lel
Oh yes, the "IF HE DOESN'T LIKE SLUTS AND WHORES HE'S A MOOSLIM" meme.
Well memed, my burger eating obese friend.
...
It's also strange when people attempt to add anthropological explanations, ie fapping to porn overstimulates the monkey brain. The implication is that early humans weren't just fapping, fucking, raping anything and everything with a pulse, which I highly doubt.
>this post is probably not sarcastic
I don't know what is worse, brainwashed lefties or brainwashed stormfags
>supporting degeneracy
Get the fuck off this board cuck faggot.
3. Nofap is baseless bro science with absolutely no credible support
Total no-fap is stupid.
You should limit to once or twice a week and stop watching porn to get off.
i bet that makes you cool on leddit fucking melvin
I've also done legitimate no fap every time my wife and I were trying to have a baby. So fuck every day, but no fap, which I think is a variant of nofap? I noticed no difference other than being hornier.
Porn is degenerate. Don't look at videos.
Past generations masturbated just fine to etchings, drawings and photos. Photos are still ok.
The best balance for people without a girlfriend is to exercise, then look at a fit girl and imagine sex.
Bro about 30% of women are thoughtful creatures, and of those, only about 30% have realized the importance of traditional families and that they are worth the effort. Of those, 90% are already taken by their 20s.
Having sex with someone you care about is basically a luxury in today's world that only a select few can appreciate. The rest of us have only dumb whores.
You're basically a 1%er.
"fap" sounds unbelievably emasculate. It also originated on 9gag, so I'm not sure why you faggots still use it.
Fucking women = intense womanly emotions
Stay Turkey, Turkey.
>(You)
fapping feels good, but generally you are fucking yourself by programming your dick to cum quickly, or by using too intense of a grip, making vaginal stimulation not enough.
nofapping for moral reasons seems stupid to me, if you want to be a semana or some shit and deny yourself all pleasure in order to reach enlightenment be my guest
no fapping for slightly higher test, and to make sex better is why im considering it.
maybe you do not love yourself?
>but it will free up lots of energy and resources to pursue that goal. Girls will notice you more as you look more vigorous and healthy.
No, faggot. You're wasting ten times the amount of mental energy and attention on fixating on whatever sexually. Having a satisfied libido frees the mind. Notice that you stop caring about a 15-minute porn crusade the moment you jizz? And then you stop pointlessly thinking sex-oriented thoughts?
You don't look like hot shit, either. You're just suffering from a literal testosterone imbalance. Nofap doesn't make you look like an awesum confident dood. You look the same, you're just being mentally hotwired to think "ooh that chick wants me oh yeah".
>2. No-fap is for betas who blame all their problems on fapping instead of actually bettering themselves.
ding ding ding ding ding
This guy gets it.
Jerking off no more than once a week will clear your mind and raise your T levels.
If I dont bust a nut every few days I will start having wet dreams and think all the time about sex. So nofap doesnt seem to work for me.
>drawings
So the moving drawings the japs are making are fine?
depends if its full on hardcore BDSM yeah back off of that other wise normal sex will be borning and not evey chick/dude want's to get plowe'd as it hurts if your just ramming your dick in a chick or dude (some of people are gay, if you dont like it fuck off)
>so butthurt he cant read
kek, enjoy being a foot rest and cash cow while I'm smoking dank fucking passable traps kid
I did it and after a couple weeks i stopped having any problems staying hard during real sex, and the amount of time it took me to cum went from like 45 minutes of jackhammering down to being able to control it after 15 minutes of normal sex.
If you have problems staying hard do no-porn, if you have issues with death grip syndrome do full-on no-fap.
RARE
CORRECT
KEEP IT UP
It's more of a reference to pin ups.
If you tell yourself that, does it justify not fapping when you want to?
If not, whatever, jack off as much or as little as you want.
If you're going without a fap because "HNNNG HIGHER TEE LEVELS" then you're a delusional idiot.
I mean, your body is literally built to discharge the prostate at least three times a week, or you get cancer from it.
We evolved from apes who masturbate at every available opportunity. When was the great genetic shift to Abstinence Sapiens?
How unhealthy is fapping once a day, every day?
By day 4-5 there's a noticeable irritability. This is the first time in ages I've made it past a week though so I'm feeling bretty gud.
I see but you still didn't answer my question, i'm curious so tell me
Look at this picture and imagine sex.
>kek, enjoy being a foot rest and cash cow while I'm smoking dank fucking passable traps kid
Oh a homosexual. Sorry if I offended you, I didn't know!
I think to an extent it is a quick patch that prevents personal growth. Wishing to be sexually satisfied is completely normal and healthy. In the old days your choice was mental pictures, or get off your ass and convince a girl to let you fuck her.
These days, you get the urge to get off and after 30 seconds you have a hotter girl than you'll ever get, eating shit from another girl hotter than you'll ever see, bouncing on a 3 ft long dildo.
What incentive is there to go out, improve yourself, and learn when within 30 seconds you can get that satisfaction.
I'm not going anywhere. I don't support Muslims, sluts and whores, or your burger eating obesity.
According to my anecdotal evidence... you should be dead right now.
You need to get your testosterone levels checked. I jerk it at least 10 times a day. 20 if I am stressed.
Things will get easier once you're no longer 15 Pablo
Any turkish man is passable as a turkish woman
Your dick will fall off m8
your libido for one would skyrocket and you'll sex your GF more times a week.
I went for a year with no-fap. By the end I was getting boners randomly while walking and no improvement in muhscalunity.
That being said I am keeping it moderate at a max of one a day and minimising exposure to degenerate stuff. Haven't watched a tranny vid in 4 whole days.
I honestly don't know.
I think if the characters look realistic it should be fine.
anyone who doesnt do this probably doesnt even have a dick
>he thinks older wars with a few thousand combatants is the same as the WW1 & 2 slaughterhouse
This is why you'll never get the Falklands back
ofc, you'll make a pretty girl, don't hold back user
unforgivable, you gotta give me a house and your wife's son my man