Why do people seem to be clinging so desperately to abstract concepts of nationalism and racial identity when we all...

why do people seem to be clinging so desperately to abstract concepts of nationalism and racial identity when we all live in a globalized culture anyway?

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Because it's who we are

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It's not who you are.

You aren't anyone if you are a nationalist.

Nationalism is normal
Globalism is not

Okay jew

Foreign rulers don't give a shit about you basically.

why???

This album is shit

>why are there abstractions of culture?
>why not adhere to a single abstraction of culture?

Nice doublethink you got there.

If nationalism and racial identity don't exist why did Brexit win then?

False hope

neither do domestic ones usually. also this isn't even about that, it's about the ironic way everyone clings to some shallow abstract idea to give themselves and identity when in fact the assimilate completely to the global culture.

that's not anywhere near demonstrating you even comprehend my post let alone the culture you inhabit.

This simply isn't true. Racial identity not abstract in any way, shape, or form.

Why do you think Mexicans are waving the Mexican flag at Trump protests? They're signaling their pride for being Hispanic and they don't want to be demonized for immigrating.

Have you ever even talked to a black person before? Black people are very proud to be black. They have a deep-rooted sense of community among their race. They attend black churches, they shop at black businesses, they listen to black music and wear black fashion.

Nationalism is actually on the rise. Japan, China, and South Korea are all perfect examples of this in East Asian. Russia has a strong nationalist identity. Even Middle Eastern nations don't allow unchecked immigration. Israel is nationalist. The only "globalist" nations are those with big businesses that want to exploit cheap labor and open up new consumer markets.

user. Please wake up. Take the red pill. We're waiting for you.

>Nationalism is actually on the rise.
>the only "globalist" nations
>Racial identity not abstract


Race doesn't exist in observational science. The differences are so small they are negligible, and the variations in the population make it pretty abstract. It's not just black and white, there are all kinds of shade in between. Lets not argue about race though cause that will lead to a boring ass rehashing.

>they listen to black music and wear black fashion.
everyone does this.

You don't seem to understand what is actually going on. Nationalism might be on the rise but the whole concept of a Nation is ridiculous culturally. All the music and media and dress and communication is all global.

I just don't understand how people can sit around on a forum like this declaring national pride when they are vocalizing it in a global community and conforming to a globalized culture.

When has globalism ever existed before? Never

When has nationalism ever existed? For all of human history

Fighting for territory is human nature, and submitting to a global world order is not

when has globalism exist?

it exists right fucking now. the fact you are talking to me who is literally across the globe instead of developing some actual British culture with your geographical peers is complete proof of that.

>Luxembourg size Ottoman Turks grew into this

Respect.

You have no concept of globalism. Obviously you are at most a 2nd year uni student.

Go try to get (you's) somewhere else you social science retard.

Congrats, you took over a bunch of sand.

> Nation is ridiculous culturally

Perhaps to you. It's valuable to the majority of people globally and they're getting sick of those values being undermined.

In re.
>You don't seem to understand what is actually going on. Nationalism might be on the rise but the whole concept of a Nation is ridiculous culturally. All the music and media and dress and communication is all global.

You don't feel a little surge of something when you find out some celebrity/athlete/someone of renown is from the same place you are?

nationalism is a development of the 19th century.
one people, one nation, democratic government were all the hype back then.
it was actually a combination of liberalism (not in the modern or american sense of the word) and nationalism that fought against the old dynastic ruling systems in europe.
tribalism has been around since the dawn of humanity though.

I live in a Dutch culture. Only here in the Netherlands and in segregated Dutch communities will you find Dutch culture.
My culture is not British, it is not German, it is not French.

Globalism features the following in green text.
>no borders
>protectionism for the big businesses
>regulations
>devoid of competition
>oligarchic control of politics by means of lobbying

There's more, but I can't debate on an empty stomach.

>globalized culture
And what exactly is this "culture"?

>And what exactly is this "culture"?

That comic is basically either paternalistic benevolent racism vs. ignorant projecting racism you are swayed by comics so you think others will be are you a child??? Oh I don't miss the stereotypes. Communication open and free world wide is a beautiful thing and you racists aren't even enjoying it. Sad!

Why do people seem to be clinging so desperately to abstract concepts of like raising your own biological children when we are all responsible for child welfare in our society anyway?

It's an illustration you idiot. Forcibly melding cultures together causes animosity between people and destruction to cultures. It's like mixing 10 different colours of paint together into one bowl. That's your concept of diversity.

Nowhere else in the world do people have to apologise for protecting their culture. Nowhere else do they get demonised for it. Well the pendulum is swinging and people are pushing back.

you are obviously a dullard who only understands things the way they were told to them.

this is a perfect example. how can you be so emotional about the idea in that picture you posted, while at the same time willingly submit your person the the sensory stimulation that is Sup Forums? You are conditioning yourself to a globalized culture.

I find the romantic idea of classic American individualism nostalgic when I think of great creatives from my country but it doesn't have much legs cause globalized hyper-individualism is here.

media and merchandise, ways of communicating, etc.

you live in a Dutch culture, but the underbelly is just as global as anything. Think of the hundreds of memes and images you could identify with absolute clarity. Look at the way you have mastered the nuanced syntax and communicated with greentext arrows. How many American celebrities, movies or musicians could you name right now?

what music are you Danish making? do you have the same kids we do running around with guitars and fl studio making beats or have you guys got a flourishing popular music that isn't just an amalgamation or exported american styles?

Is your specialized folk music tradition celebrated more by your neighbors, or by the global music community that trades you countries best records online like baseball cards?

are you implying the a species taking collective explicit control of it survival is a bad thing? why??

>melding cultures causes animosity
This is you asserting an opinion and projecting your own views onto reality. Don't get it twisted you are arguing emotively.

>Nowhere else in the world do people have to apologise for protecting their culture

Most people are concerned with prosperity and survival first. Are you aware that 80 % of the worlds population lives on less than $1 per day? Your huge ass pain over protecting culture is just like first world feminisms big problem with men spreading their legs too wide on the bus.

> this is a perfect example. how can you be so emotional about the idea in that picture you posted, while at the same time willingly submit your person the the sensory stimulation that is Sup Forums? You are conditioning yourself to a globalized culture.

Nationalism does not mean isolationism. It does not mean a lack of respect or an embracing of other cultures (quite the opposite). On Sup Forums we attach identity to the national flags, albeit often in a derogatory way because that's the nature of this place.

> Most people are concerned with prosperity and survival first.

Explain the colonialism in South America, Africa and India then. Many of those people were objectively more prosperous under colonial rule. Should we reestablish Imperialism to fix the worlds problems and globalise?

> This is you asserting an opinion and projecting your own views onto reality.

Actually, this is what you're doing. You're ignoring what's happening before your very eyes. The far right resurgence across Europe demonstrates my understanding manifesting in reality, as does the rise of Trump in your own country.

uk.businessinsider.com/the-far-right-is-quietly-making-massive-gains-in-europe-2015-10

I'm not even far right.

The craddle of nationalism began in 17 century Europe and really become significant during the 19 century.
Globalism have existed since ancient times, atleast more than 4000 years.

see>this is a perfect example. how can you be so emotional about the idea in that picture you posted, while at the same time willingly submit your person the the sensory stimulation that is Sup Forums? You are conditioning yourself to a globalized culture.


It's bizarre that every time I bring this up people are so completely clueless. It's like trying to tell a fish that water exists and he's just like, nah man I got MY national water but it's definitely just my water I don't know what you are getting on about.

Let me ask you something, Lets say I'm where you are right now, I'm with you and we have some money, how long will it take for us to get some McDonalds food from where we are? What about Starbucks?
Now what if I'm still there, and we decide to watch a film, Ill let you decide, what film did you decide? who made it? Who payed for it? where they from? What's the film about? How did you first learn about this film?

Globalists saying nationalism is abstract.

Now that's hilarious.

>posting on Sup Forums
>thinking you aren't a globalist

how can americans know anything about culture when they don't even have the language of their own

Because it's really easy to get a bunch of idiots to fear other cultures and blame them for all your issues?

>Many of those people were objectively more prosperous under colonial rule

This is false. Extreme poverty is being eradicated world wide as a result of globalization. The statistics to support this are available I suggest you look into it. Also the resurgence of the far right is nothing compared to the dominance of globalist liberalism. Reactionaries are the result of recent instability and political opportunists using techniques of mass hysteria which are tried and true to promote their own interests (i believe the far right is being promoted by certain factions within the larger globalist economy to acheive certain short term gains anyway)

>tribalism
>abstract

Burger-King are you retarded? Tribalism is the norm, globalism is the abstract concept

Succ

>we all live in a globalized culture anyway

The last words of a dying civilisation.

I'm glad cunts like you are getting desperate. Don't reply.

Because the goyim refuse to let their twelve year old children work in slavery-like conditions for pennies an hour, for seventeen hour days.

It's their own fault for wanting shit like 'workplace safety standards' and a 'living wage.' Fucking goyim should just accept the crumbs from my table and be fucking grateful they're getting anything at all.

Globalism is good up to a certain degree. I am all for a globalised world, but with restricted immigration. Kind of a classic liberal nativist world with economic cooperation, but that is it.

There is no other reason to do more.

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Nationalism is a myth but you could argue its a populist myth
Globalism isnt a myth but its not populist at all

The old ideas of civilization are dying. They aren't healthy enough to survive. Nation States are like all unhealthy things they lack vitality and must perish. We can't ignore the rest of the world any longer and it is good--now humanity can become more united and capable of world wide prosperity. Stop clinging to the old and dead debris; you weren't there anyway. Your world is a fine one and you were born just in time to see the birth of humanity's next leap. Some things will be strange and perhaps upsetting but that is the nature of discovery. Nationalism is defined by its extreme cowardice in the face of new frontiers. Clans had to fall to give birth to the nation and now nations must fall to give birth to something greater.

Spoken like a true kike. You are why Brexit happened, and why Brexit was just the beginning.

nation states are a young concept/idea.
small elites governing vast ethnically and culturally diverse empires is not a new or young concept at all.

No we don't. Daily life is vastly different from country to country. The average American, Pakistani, Chinese man, and Somalian have very little to nothing in common with each other.

The only parts of the world that are somewhat alike culturally despite geographical differences are Western Europe, North America, and Australia.

the problem is older people

Kikes are some of the most adamant nationalists if you hadn't noticed. Also your racism doesn't prove a thing but your ignorance. Globalism is the result of human progress and should not be abandoned because malcontents like to blame society for their personal failures. You are like The Scottish highlanders who fought against the predominance of Nationalism in Britain--romanticize it all you like but you are just reacting from fear at the perceived or real loss of certain advantages..but minorities should not deny prosperity to the majority and they won't for long since that would be an unnatural and unhealthy state of imbalance.

But globalism isn't the agenda of small elites it is the will of humanity--opportunists may take advantage but if anything that is due to vestigial elements left over from the era of Nations. Globalism =\= Empire

This is probably one of the most cringeworthy posts I've ever read on Sup Forums. You realize there are no arguments here, right? You basically just said "Nationalism bad, Globalism goood" over and over again with no objective evidence supporting either.

T A L E N T L E S S H A C K

>muh progress

All of which means fuck-all to the middle-class schmuck who lost his job, saw his city fall apart, and his way of life disappear while his government just shrugged and pocketed a campaign donation from the company that shipped the factory he worked at overseas where they're allowed to force 12 year old kids to work for pennies and fire him when he gets a hand chopped off from unregulated, unsafe machinery.

And as Brexit demonstrated, there's more of us than the elites liked to tell themselves there were. You can't shout down from your ivory tower for the plebs to sit down, shut up, accept globalism and fucking like it because you know better than they do what's good for them, and then react with shock and bewilderment when they raise the middle finger seen 'round the world because they're not getting what they were promised.

Shout 'racist' all you like. The actual racists don't have the votes to win a nation-wide referendum. People voted with them for Brexit. You'd better ask yourselves why that happened, and fast, because Brexit is just the beginning. You have just seen the consequences of ignoring the people. It only gets worse from here.

dammit...

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No u. Here is an argument. The predominance of a political theory indicates its viability and health as a theory; Globalism is currently predominant while nationalism is generally limited in appeal and maligned publicly; therefore Globalism can be assumed to be more viable and healthy as a theory while nationalism is evidently untenable.

>inb4 muh antisemite conspiracy

>we all live in a globalized culture
LOL NOPE

Nationalism is the modern form of tribalism, something that has existed for all of human history.

Globalism is a largely corporatist movement, people don't benefit from it, only corporations do. Average relative wealth levels for western peoples have stagnated or even declined since the 70s and 80s, despite there being economic growth, and huge increases in multinational revenue.

MOST of the workers in the world prefer shared prosperity and improving quality of life (MOST workers are in China and India btw)

Why should the complaints of a pampered bourgeoisie in a small country be given precedence over the needs of billions worldwide? Brexit is a temper tantrum

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>MOST of the workers in the world prefer shared prosperity

And guess what they're not getting? You are not going to convince a laid-off factory worker in the American midwest that the loss of his job was worth someone in Southeast Asia making twelve cents an hour instead of ten. That is a losing argument. That is the argument that gets you 'Brexit.'

>Why should the complaints of a pampered bourgeoisie in a small country be given precedence over the needs of billions worldwide?

Please tell me the irony of this statement was intentional.

>globalized culture

I think you mean:

>Americanized Culture

Worst logic i ever seen.
By that logic communism was the best thing for Poland, Lithuania, etc...

Also just because people can communicate overseas, does not mean their cultures are globalized.
These people live in different countries, with different ways of live, different predominant law ideologies, work hours, behaviors, hobbies.
You are a delusional moron.

Western civilization being bros doesnt equal globalism. Unless you want to accept more sander niggers then why pick globalism?

>The predominance of a political theory indicates its viability and health as a theory;

Do you even have a single fact to back that up?
A theory being prominent or popular has absolutely no bearing on its efficacy or accuracy.

Globalized, but living apart. Only goods and services should have free movement.

Remember your history and see what happened to any multi-cultural nation in the past. Austria-Hungary, Roman empire, the Persians. Humans aren't made for globalization, it makes us pathetic and depressed. Humans function psychologically best in small groups of the same culture.

I'm starting to think this guy is a troll. No actual trade apologist believes this shit or would use the phrase 'privileged bourgeois minority' in defense of globalism.

>brexit voters
>bourgeoise

>globalized culture
Tossing away everything for $heckels

Companies ship their jobs to those poor countries to exploit the workers there. Everyone loses except multinational corporations and bankers and bureaucrats who profit from the cronyism. The end result is neo-feudalism, which is what the world is moving towards rapidly.

Globalisation is trade, banking. Trying to use the same principles for government, would be a big mistake. Company's are not democracies. Banks are not democratic.
Banks depend on people's belief in their product.
Company's on people's desire or need for their product.
Governments depend on the people's belief that they work in the best interest of the people.
The product of a government is a contented people. See the difference.

Well, to be fair we actually do have a pretty strong culture in the South, however, the rest of the country is pretty culture less.

We also believe strongly in where we came from and we often feel pride when we find a connection to our collective pasts.

Fuck off rootless parasite.

So when you have the EU where you cant democratically decide what to do with the land you inhabit, that's globalization for all mankind?

You're deluded if you don't think that a global government means a relatively small elite being in control of most everyone else. The people don't decide shit, it's the intellectuals who decide ehat's """best""" for the unwashed masses.

At least our founding fathers had enough respect to let the unwashed masses vote. You betray your country and your people that have bore you on their backs for your whole life with this rhetoric

"Nationalism for me but not for thee"
-t. Shlomo Shekelkike

Globalism in practice means massive numbers of extremely low IQ individuals swamping the demographics of racially European nations. There are literally only a handful of clades of man that can maintain this style of glorious future civilization you envision. It's hard to stress this enough: the people of Africa and the Hispanic groups that fall into the 90 or 85 IQ range will NEVER produce or maintain civilization as we know it.

>racial identity
>abstract concept

Go take a walk in Detroit and see how "abstract" the knife in your back is.

Please put the globalist kikes on your airline.

It's not suprising that people search for identity and community in increasingly individualistic societies.

>It's like trying to tell a fish that water exists and he's just like, nah man I got MY national water but it's definitely just my water I don't know what you are getting on about.

>All water is the same
>there is no such thing as pH
>there is no such thing as salinity
>there is no such thing as oxygenation
>there is no such thing as temperature
>if we were to some some homogenize the water qualities of all bodies of water in the world this would have no ill effects upon marine life
>freshwater fish from the Amazon are stupid to prefer their water over water from the the abyssal plain of the Arctic ocean
t. Globalist scum

this is what globalists actually belive

now that you said a bunch of irrelevant shit misunderstanding a common metaphor, how about you address the rest of that post?

Beautiful map really.

international trade ≠ globalism

When he say 'globalism', we're referring to one world government.

I bet you're a non-white enjoying the "high quality of life" living in a white country because your race is too genetically stupid to achieve it themselves, so you will do what ever it takes to stay in the white country that you enjoy living in and refuse to go back to the third-world non-white shit hole where you came

I think you all have valid points but as our economy is currently globalized why would it be better to revert to failed models rather than pursue ways of idealizing what is already actual? I don't see why reactionaries want to go back..it seems like intellectual suicide to me

No one is saying we have to abandoned a global economy. But trying to push for a global country/culture/people is a terrible idea that will only lead to complete disaster.

>assimilate completely to the global culture.
Go suck your masters cock elsewhere lmao

>When he say 'globalism', we're referring to one world government.
that's completely wrong. thanks for lowering my expectations in your first post so I wouldn't be disappointed to see you are stupid.

to put that shit down, it's funny how radical Marxists born of the 60's revolution think that theirs views are normal and reasonable. Maddened fanatics

It depends what you mean. There are good arguments for and against globalization, or greater global economic integration. Right now it's highly exploitive and encourages political corruption and cronyism, and it seems only becoming worse as wealth inequality grows worldwide. This could easily lead to political instability.

As for globalism, I've never seen any good arguments for that, really. It's always couched in John Lennon-esque utopian language.

you are all missing the fucking point. if you understood your world you wouldn't be worried about someone 'pushing globalism' on you in a thread, because the reality isn't anyone pushing, you are all here shoving it down your own throats to begin with. You guys can't get enough globalist culture.

That's what we mean when we use it here, and that's how it's being used by public figures these days. I guess you're the stupid one.

Because only Whites and the higher tiers of asians can actually handle living in the white culture that was "globalized".