Is HBO a shell of its former self?
>GoT is withering away
>Westworld is just a 2deep4u Lost rip off
>Veep and Silicon Valley have both gone downhill
>Vinyl got canned after one season
>Bill Maher and Jon Oliver
At this point the Curb Your Enthusiasm revival might bring some life back into the channel
Carnivale season 3.
This.
Those fuckers still own the rights to it too and are being stingy with it, there was a lot they could with the universe I'd even be happy with a prequel about Belyakov and Scudder.
Westworld did so well they are not worried.
They have leftovers, it's their best show in years. Unfortunately no one watches it so it gets zero recognition. I'm scared about season 3 though, lindelof might Fuck up again
>GoT
>Westworld
>Silicon Valley
all shit to begin with
Veep is kino
Kys
David Simon's coming back w/ his Times Square in the 80s porn and prostitution series which should be great.
David Milch is always seemingly coming back, but hopefully soon.
Bill Maher's show is very good despite the fact that he triggers so many of you.
The Young Pope is an interesting series, kinographie on tv.
Westworld is not amazing, but it is a decent watch.
Cable networks aren't standalone production companies. Did you think HBO thought up The Wire or The Sopranos then found writers and producers to make them happen? No?
>Is HBO a shell of its former self?
HBO bought Westworld, agreed to fund shooting it on film, greenlit a pilot, ACTUALLY LOOKED AT THAT PILOT critically, dragged Nolan and Abrams into a meeting and said "This is mediocre. We're pulling the plug on production until you show us a finished story bible for the complete series. D&D were bad enough but you, you both have reputations for being idea men who shit the bed in the long haul."
Netflix, FX or A&E would have said "shoot on digital, CGI the fuck out of everything and we'll agree to ignore the story problems."
HBO ruined tv with it's dumb edginess
Westworld is one of the only shows I can think of that actually got consistently worse with each episode.
It wasn't like there was you know, that point, where it dropped offed. It just progressively got worse and worse with each episode, culminating in that nonsensical finale.
So far Taboo seems to follow that too
> I didn't understand it therefore it was nonsensical and made me mad
Rewatch it before you decide everything was crap. The people who like it are generally pretty critical, so maybe some of it will make more sense to you the next go-through.
I have my own reservations but I'm not going to complain that it's not servicing my personal expectation of where I wanted it to go just yet.
>So far Taboo seems to follow that too
>Describing how his character, James Keziah Delaney, came about, Hardy has previously said: "I played Bill Sykes in Oliver Twist and really enjoyed the character and I thought I would like to play more Bill Sykes, but as a lead. But then I also thought I'd really like to play Doctor Faustus in Bill Sykes's body. And I'd also actually really like to play Hannibal Lecter there too. And Sherlock Holmes. And I think we should put Heathcliff in there too and Marlow from Heart Of Darkness, we shouldn't forget him. And a little bit of Mr Darcy but not too much, because that's really boring, actually. How can you choose someone where you have a completely sophisticated anti-hero, who is not only completely Dionysiac in aspect, almost Aleister Crowley, and all the best parts of that and Oedipal, and at the same time a can-do hero lead but also a depth of depravity to him, but also great nobility."
Cocaine's a hell of a drug
I agree it seems on the decline, but they probably have a few aces up their collective sleeve.
Although Westworld is kind of a shallow disappointment, Jonathan Nolan also is apparently also developing a series based on the epic Foundation novels by Isaac Asimov. Once the delay of Westworld is done, I think we're all in for some mindblowing shit.
While I was reading the books I went to look something up about them, and the HBO series potential auto-filled in the search. After that, I could so vividly imagine the staging, drama, and production of the scenes in the book as I read to completion. Needless to say, I'm looking forward to it and you all should be as well.
The Leftovers is unironically the best show on TV in a long time.
Well they were wrong in thinking that Westworld should replace GoT.
They still can fix it with Witcher
Too late and last few episodes were fucking terrible.
It should stay dead.
>Westworld was a massive hit
>The Young Pope is the best tv show right now
They are fine.
The Young Pope is the best tv show in years.
Yeah, I've been saying this for a while, but a lot of friends look at me weird.
>Game of Thrones is ending, regardless of quality
>Westworld was pretty average and forgettable, though it was popular
>Girls is ending
>Vinyl was a $100 mil bomb
>cancelled The Brink
>Ballers is middling
>Silicon Valley is shit + the Kumail is a faggot
>The Leftovers ending
What do they have?
>The Night of
>Show me a Hero
>Veep (quality in decline)
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I know it's not a popular opinion, but while the production itself was huge, I thought it was middling at best and pushed to finish it. Never liked Nolan's writing, and do not like Abrams
>tfw will never get those extra 3-5 seasons of Rome
>tfw they could buy the rights to Hannibal and continue the story for some extra seasons but won't
>tfw will never get that Sopranos 60's spinoff showing Johnny and Junior
fuck, I never knew they got BTFO. The pilot was shit imo, the finished product that is
The Young Pope is the next evolution of television. We're in the platinum age of tv.
>tfw they could buy the rights to Hannibal and continue the story for some extra seasons but won't
But Hannibal was edgy pseudointellectual garbage similar to Westworld.
They have the Young Pope which makes them the best network by default for years to come even if they only air Girls reruns the rest of the time
Soon
>Hannibal
>garbage
Forgot about The Young Pope - but they're syndicating it, aren't they? Not producing it.
>tfw I like Girls
More like SiliKEK valley am I right?
Also they fired all white male writers to hire women and minorities last season, just like Sunny
Fucking love those books desu. So many good characters
Co-production with Sky I think
>patton oswalt retweeted
jesus he's become insufferable
>Silicon Valley have gone downhill
No it haven't. S3 was fucking great.
Westworld is popular. They've got a couple of years to find a viable GoT replacement. Just because you're a Sup Forums and Sup Forums dick-swinging faggot, that doesn't mean that people don't like Bill Maher and Jon Oliver...
Having said all that, the channel is nowhere near the greatness of the shows from its golden years but you won't find any channel that was. They had some shows that are widely regarded as among the greatest of all time. Lightning doesn't often strike twice in the same place but, still, they'll be fine.
Westworld, unless they screw it up, will be the show that will butter their bread after GOT goes away. That was the critical thing they needed. Now they can roll out some new shows and see what sticks.
It has gone to shit since Greggory died.
The past two seasons were literally the same plot as the first one
>tfw Deadwood, The Sopranos AND The Wire were all on together.
They have two years to find a big flagship show to replace GoT, I don't think Westworld is it though.
Actually as long as they keep doing Veep I'll be happy.
Wasn't David chase supposed to come back and do another HBO project. I would like to see him return, although he has said there's more executive meddling with HBO now
No, not at all
Those were better times
>Jonathan Nolan also is apparently also developing a series based on the epic Foundation novels by Isaac Asimov
Please no. Not another adaptation for Jonathan Nolan to ruin
>2deep4u rip off
>of LOST
u avin a giggle?
WTF Kumail that makes no sense. Nobody ever decided to become a terrorist because it was too difficult to get a travel visa.
Kumail's twitter meltdowns have almost made Trump worth it. I think he's deleted more posts then hes kept. It's hilariously hypocritical.
Remember when he was 'assaulted' by a Trump supporter lmao
HBO will have another GoT property lined up for when GoT ends. Probably a prequel.
Even if it's shit it buys them more time to find another hit, which they will. Everytime one of HBO big show ends people cry doom and gloom. Maybe HBO has already peaked when it comes to their Sunday night flagship shows but they always find a new one. Because they're willing to spend the money and take the time to create a good product.
What was their flagship before GoT? Sopranos?
Leftovers is ending too.
>although he has said there's more executive meddling
Tbh, if HBO is drawing less than stellar shows nowadays, then this probably plays a large part in the reason. The channel was looked to as a place where stifled talent could more freely express themselves within a long-form story. It was HBO and the networks.
The landscape has changed.
True Blood. Sopranos ended almost a decade before GoT.
It's also because everyone is copying their system now so the talent is scarce and expensive now.
I mean no other network getting close to HBO quality wise even now but they are trying.
Blood Meridian tv series
Are we ever gonna get a third true detective or did Pizza fuck himself so hard that they won't do it again.
i kinda miss HBO documentaries
Did they do some new good ones in the last few years ? Some suggestions ?
I wouldn't say Veep has gone downhill, still makes me laugh harder than any other show
The last season was good but felt like a series finale honestly.
They're waiting for him to write it properly this time instead of rushing him
>Those fuckers still own the rights to it too and are being stingy with it,
This is what really clonks my bonkers. The creators of the show wanted to finish the story with comic books but HBO wouldn't let them.
>Although Westworld is kind of a shallow disappointment, Jonathan Nolan also is apparently also developing a series based on the epic Foundation novels by Isaac Asimov. Once the delay of Westworld is done, I think we're all in for some mindblowing shit.
idigitaltimes.com
Isaac Asimov and Phil Dick are goldmines to screenwriters:
--Factories of provocative, genuinely original ideas set inside dramatically exciting, competently built future worlds
--Often better at short stories than novels
--Just flawed enough as writers to give screenwriters room to shine "fixing" their works while stretching/condensing them into 80 minutes of screentime
--Dead as dirt, with total whores for literary executors who will never object to or interfere with the production
Not to go into too much detail but while Foundation was one of Asimov's most popular works, it's perhaps the least likely to stand up to the test of time. He built his reputation drawing on the fields of knowledge he knew deeply and broadly, but Foundation's based on the one blind spot in his education and it shows. I think a large part of what made Foundation popular was that Dr. Asimov was putting psychology (his wife's field) up on equal footing with the hard sciences at a time when moderns really NEEDED to believe this.
>The pilot was shit imo, the finished product that is
I have a suspicion the original cut's worse. Cullen was originally played by Miranda "I AM NO MAN" Otto and when HBO demanded Cullen's role be rebuilt that included ditching Otto.