Give me feasible alternatives

> EU was born because of WW2 clusterfuck
> Only comparatively minor military conflicts in Europe after WW2
> There is never a union of equals. There is always one who is stronger.
> EU as a bloc is an economic heaviyweight
> individuals countries are too small to play a major role in the world
> individual countries can be played against another

So, to me the EU is basically a good idea.

Sup Forums now seems to relish the current criss because they want to see the EU fail

Can Sup Forums give me a feasible alternative to the EU or ideas of how the EU has to change to be acceptable?

If you want to go back to every little shite country fending for itself, you are obviously an idiot, cause in geopolitics your individual pathetic country doesn't mean shit (that includes Germany).

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Easy, we give you to the russians.
The entire point of the EU was to contain You. It hasn't worked, quite the opposite actually. You are probably the only ones coming out ahead in the present EU system, with the exception of some eastern European countries wrt jobs.

At the LEAST it needs to reform.

The correct model is trade inter-dependency.
Germany has the coal, France has the power-stations, UK has the steel mill etc. Then war becomes too expensive and disruptive.

Trying to make the place "1 country" is what CAUSES wars.

A Russian stronhold right in the middle of Europe? You are quite the idiot.

And how would that look like?

So untimately we need to give up sovereignity even more because we need to establish inter-dependency?

How exactly do you want to give us to the Russians? Last time I checked we were a NATO member, which means that the US will destroy Russia if Putin even farts in our direction. Not that Russia is not capable of destroying our country, but Russia with its economy smaller than Mexico would collapse in the process.

>minor conflicts
>140000 deaths in the balkans
>4 million gorillion displaced

it may seem like nothing compared to your 6 gorillion but it's quite a substantial amount.

Yes it is and it was a tragedy. How would we have fared without the EU?

The EU experiment had failed though it's falling apart.

It is falling apart if we let it. You are quite the lethargic fuck or you don't wanna keep it alive.

EU as a trade organisation is a good idea, EU as a political organisation is not.

Unfortunately the EU has fallen into the same trap as many political organisation do; once they have met their original goals, they can't just be satisfied with their achievements. They feel the need to keep pushing boundaries and expanding their power to feel relevant. France and Germany have been pushing more and more towards their new goal: federalisation of Europe. Which is something many in Britain simply do not want.

Yes, I see your point and I agree. Still, what is the alternative?

The problem with Sup Forums is that it is very good at whining and bullshitting but I almost never see contructive criticism when it comes to the the EU.

Come on Sup Forums. Can you be creative?

>Still, what is the alternative?
Well for Europe, it may well be federalisation (but dear God, sort out that parliament first). But I think Britain is happy with just free trade and being left alone.

I have a question about it all.

Who, exactly, does globalism benefit?

I mean, does it benefit Soros? Rosthchild? Bilderbergers? Does it benefit a goat herder in Macedonia? A convenience store owner in the Bronx?

Also, another question. When the whole system catastrophically fails, do we all fall further? Do we have to set up different systems all the time?

I smell a rat

This. The simple fact is that countries that trade with each other are less likely to go to war with each other because it's not economically beneficial and is in fact detrimental. As usual, with anything we have that's nice or that works, Jews exploit it for power and profit before it completely collapses on itself and they look for a scapegoat. I look forward to being labeled the "new Nazis" because Britain leaving will kill the EU.

NATO created stability between Europeans, not the EU.

The EFTA created prosperity and wealth in Europe, not the EU.

The EU has never been a union of equals, it's a dictatorship of Paris and Berlin forcing their laws upon the rest of the continent.

Normal people don't benefit from the vast majority EU legislation, only multinational corporations do.

Small countries can certainly be relevant, if they specialize. See: Switzerland

Fuck off Merkel and jump off a building.

It would somewhat resemble a democracy. Give the parliament more power and allow the people to elect the leaders of the EU.

> who does it benefit
You can ask this question and you can answer it yourself, as you have already done implicitly.

Where does that leave us?

> what happens if the system fails
I think it will fail. I dunno what comes then, but it sure won't be a piece of cake for any ordinary person.

> individuals countries are too small to play a major role in the world

China
Russia
Japan
India

I could go on.

>> EU was born because of WW2 clusterfuck
Germans defeated, Eurocucks feel need to establish German dictatorship over continent once again - Create EU.

>too small to play a major role
Bullshit. Germany or the UK could both be superpowers if they built up their military and chose a more aggressive foreign policy.
>only minor military conflicts after ww2
union just transfers national conflict to inter-group conflict. The total sum of violence will always depend on societies standard of living and ability to contemplate it's destruction, not on some exaggerated "divided we fall" construct. WW1 would not have happened today even without the EU, people would not accept a draft or deaths on that scale.

You Germans always try to play the intellectual, but you never actually have any idea what you are talking about.

t. burger

Globalism benefits the rich and destroys the middleclass.

If goods, money and people flow freely around the globe the ones who owns the means of production is boss(capital ie. the rich).
And since every system designed by humans in the end gets corrupted over time, capital will win over labour.
Nation states have an inherent defence in democracy. it's not perfect but it kinda works. The EE on the other hand does not since it's not democratic in nature.

>Last time I checked we were a NATO member, which means that the US will destroy Russia
Last I checked NATO was a co-operative defensive alliance, not a bunch of kids hiding under Mama America's skirt. It's this exact kind of attitude that has made NATO a joke capable only of expressing deep concern.

EE=EU

> The EU has never been a union of equals
No political union is ever a union of equals. It is naive to think so and a quick look in any history book will tell you so.
> Normal people don't benefit from the vast majority EU legislation, only multinational corporations do.
So, tell me how it would be better
> Fuck off Merkel and jump off a building.
See whining and bullshitting

The UN was the one created because of the WW2, the EU was born due to "potential economical progress".

> EU was born because of WW2 clusterfuck
No, that was NATO. Learn history before commenting on it
> Only comparatively minor military conflicts in Europe after WW2
Thank NATO
> There is never a union of equals. There is always one who is stronger.
Sounds like I love fascism as long as i'm the dictator
> individuals countries are too small to play a major role in the world
Nope, were going to do great, 5th largest economy, nuclear power, permanent member of UN security council, only global power in the world
> individual countries can be played against another
Its called competition

2/10 bait, got me to reply.

Aw, cute little Britain. You wanna play with the big boys?

Let's see how you fare since your economy is already down the drains.

But to clarify: I meant individual EU countries. Germany France UK can maybe have a role in the world, the rest would be footnotes.

>No political union is ever a union of equals. It is naive to think so and a quick look in any history book will tell you so.
Exactly, and no one on this continent want to be ruled by you autistic assholes. Didn't you get the message in the 1940s?

>So, tell me how it would be better
What, nation states with democratically elected representatives legislating with the interest of their people in mind? Are you daft, perhaps? Yeah I wonder how that could be better than multinationals buying legislation in Brussels without anyone really being able to put the responsible authorities under scrutiny.

>EU was born because of WW2 clusterfuck
No, the idea to enslave the people of Europe was born before, read the Coudenhove-Kalergi plan

>Only comparatively minor military conflicts in Europe after WW2
Except endless civil violence in form of assaults, rape, murder and terror against White citizens. Some recent notable examples asides from everyday crime include Paris and Brussel attacks, mass sexual assaults of Cologne, arson attack on trade fair hall.

>There is never a union of equals. There is always one who is stronger.
And this is why the principle of equality the EU claims to pursue does not work.

>EU as a bloc is an economic heaviyweight
It collapses under the costs of (((debt))) and mass invasion of low IQ non-Whites who cannot find a job. Also, skilled White people flee the EU.

>Individuals countries are too small to play a major role in the world
Except that some are one of the strongest economies in the world.

>Individual countries can be played against another
Not if you name the Jews.

Why are you so butthurt. If all is true, why do you care if Britain fails? Sounds like Germany is the nervous one.

> NATO
Yes it is the military glue. Still the EU is the political and economic glue.
> 5th largest
I didn't hear you over the pound crashing
> fascism
please stop being an idiot
> competition
You talk about competition and don't see the benefits in alliances?

Hahahaha, Hans really thinks the EU will not totally collapse financially by accepting millions of low IQ rapefugees. They do not find any jobs because there is already high unemployment, they corrupt neighbourhoods, they cause a lot of crime, they commit terror attacks, they drive skilled Germans away, they need welfare their entire lives, there are expenses for their education, they get medical expenses paid, they take public space, the commit arson attacks on trade fairs etc.

>I didn't hear you over the pound crashing
Pound crashing is good you retard, because then people from other countries will buy their products.

I am not butthurt. I would rather the UK was the strongest econonmy and lead Europe than have it all fall apart. It's just not the case, is it?
> enslavement
go away conspracy theorist. Go get a live.
> endless civil violence
perspective?
> debt
not only a EU problem
> some are the strongest economy
1/10 made me reply
> jews
conspiracy cuck.

see
whining and bullshitting

>Good idea
Like a communism. Not the only thing they have in common too.
Also EU is driven by ideology. The same thing that constantly leads to conflicts with no compromises.
European project is not about peace but about power.

So? It is always about power. Are you naive?

>go away conspracy theorist. Go get a live.
Good Goy

>perspective?
Brexit

>not only a EU problem
True, a Jew problem

>1/10 made me reply
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>conspiracy cuck.
The Jew is immunized against all dangers: one may call him a scoundrel, parasite, swindler, profiteer, it all runs off him like water off a raincoat. But call him a Jew and you will be astonished at how he recoils, how injured he is, how he suddenly shrinks back: "I've been found out."

THE WEAK SHOULD FEAR THE STRONG

Citing Goebbels and accusing others of falling for propaganda.

How do you justify this?

We don't want to be part of the EU, what don't you understand. There will be no 4th reich and we wont be part of its attempted implementation. Germany is going to suffer in the long term.

And who is strong after the EU has collapsed? The US? China? India?

>How do you justify this?
There is no absolute truth, everyone is doing propaganda, but you are too cucked to see that. Instead you blindly swallow the Jewish propganda and become a cuck.

You post made it seem like you were prizing it as a peacekeeping union.

We don't need alternative for EU as you don't need additional layer of bureaucracy. Just let it collapse and pretend it didn't happen.

Individual countries can still enter trade agreements you idiot.

And who is strong after the EU has collapsed? The US? China? India?
None, so its perfect timing for us to leave. We will grow stronger and will have a say with these nations in the decades to come. Can't say Germany will though, mostly bankrupted by the EU.

>in geopolitics your individual pathetic country doesn't mean shit
faggot weakling
go kill yourself

'individual pathetic countries' achievements:
>france conquers all of europe, builds vast colonial empire
>britain builds biggest empire the world has ever seen
>spain and portugal colonize three quarters of the new world on their own
>germany conquerst all of europe on its own

compared to ANY of them, this "union" is a miserable, pathetic failure. IT CANT EVEN CONTROL ITS OWN FUCKING BORDERS! how fucking deluded do you have to be to think this abomination is stronger than the glorious nations that are enslaved by it were on their own?

your whole attitude is that of a cowardly defeatist cuck who is literally begging to be kept down by foreign overlords. gas yourself you filthy traitor.

The modern, dictatorial EU only came into existence in the 1990s and only got really aggressive after the Treaty of Lisbon in 2009. You're thinking of NATO and US hegemony. Those came immediately after WW2.

The EU needs to be a free trade union, not a political and fiscal one. The common currency was a bad idea.

The EU can be salvaged but it needs to be a forum to discuss voluntary agreements stripped of any power to mandate rules over its members. No EUSSR, thanks.

One of many problems is the disparity of member countrie, it has over extended. Regional unions make more sense, Scandi, Baltic, Central and Southern unions make more sense.

Regrouping Southern Europe countries with ~30% youth unemployment and shitty economies shouldn't be in the same Union as countries with strong economies is detrimental to both parties.

NATO kept the peace after WW2.
The EU was formed in 1993 after Mastricht.

A lot of the UK knows this basic history (mainly by living through it) and recognises it as bullshit.

Your post made it seem like you were praising it as a peacekeeping union.

We don't need alternative for EU as you don't need additional layer of bureaucracy. Just let it collapse and pretend it didn't happen.

You don't have to give up sovereignty to establish inter-dependency. You simply need agreement between nations. Think of a land-locked country and one with a port. Or in the middle east, give one the place with the oil fields and the other the refineries.

>wanting peace
>not wanting the shit to hit the fan

Fuck off kike

That could make sense. A cluster of regional unions.

How would you keep any union from getting too much power.

> dictatorial
Could you be a bit more precise. It's hard to take you seriously when you are oversimplistic.
The EU didn't pop up out of nowhere.

>The EU can be salvaged
no it can't. it is designed from the ground up to be resistant to any attempt of reform.
the treaties can only be changed through unanimous decision of ALL member states. that's 28 highly different countries which have to agree on both the fact that reform is necessary and on the particular direction of reform that is needed.

this won't be happening, ever. the member states, their economies and their peoples are far too different for such a widespread consent to be possible on any meaningful issue.

>So, to me the EU is basically a good idea.
I ll give EU 4/10

>And how would that look like?
only europeans of european heritage can be citizens

citizens can own guns

every country gets 1 representative seat with 1 vote - it can decide who will represent it and how will be this person chose

internal workings of the state are out of EU reach, but international relations go through it

every piece of EU legislation concerning internal workings of the state has to be approved in referendum by citizens of this state

one of EU goals should be protection of national identities of member states and upholding classic latina values based on christian faith and roman law -- christian faith is important here, because politicians tend to crazy from power fever the moment they stop fearing inevitable judgement and painful punishment

attacking EU member at EU soil triggers war with all other members, but members do not have to join offensive wars of other member states

every state has to have military task force size of 0.1℅ of its population ready to be deployed in case other member state is being attacked - alternatively if it is not willing or able it can delegate this obligation on a willing member state in return of compensation they will agree to, but of value no lower than 0.5% of GDP of the delegating state

everything else can be decided by elected representatives

How would you bring nations to relinquish vital parts of their economy?

In the current political climate I don't see that happen.

Pretty simple actually.
Some people want to die in 10 years with their butthole untouched while some others want to live for 50 with a huge dick constantly in their ass.

leaf, please.

Just have a look at the defense budgets. Then come back here. You fell for the "we need more military or the russians invade" meme.

Easy, get rid of jews, they started ww1 & ww2.

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> 1 country 1 vote
fine by me
> referendums
Might be a bit too much for every country. Will also lead to a highly complex system of legislature. Doesn't that defeat the purpose?
> national identities
fine by me
> religion
I have a hard time accepting this. I know Poland is very religious but many other countries aren't
> army
I think a European army would be badass.

>Kraut
>Thinks the EU is a good idea

Who would have guessed?

>> EU was born because of WW2 clusterfuck
Hell no. In 1957, the Treaty of Rome creates the European Economic Community (EEC), or ‘Common Market’.

>> Only comparatively minor military conflicts in Europe after WW2
As in the rest of the world, hence "World War"

>> There is never a union of equals. There is always one who is stronger.
Gutes Werk, SHLOMO, take some shkelim now

>> EU as a bloc is an economic heaviyweight
that's just JEWrmany on economical steroid

>> individuals countries are too small to play a major role in the world
Nice propaganda, CHAIM. Remember to point the gullible goym to Jerusalem as Capital of the World under a Pax Judaica.

>> individual countries can be played against another
When finance control politics and Soros, Rothschild, Rockenfeld can and will create Ad Hoc crisis...

I don't like how the EU has treated you. Especially Germany.

Do you see any future in the EU if the rules would change?

>shitposting while ahmed takes my wife

it'd be a good idea to kill yourself man. only useful thing you'll do.

Fuck off, conspiracy cuck

Leave the union to get rid of regulations and euro zone.
If everything crashes it's exactly what needs to happen for us to rebuild.

> cuck fetish
> cuck fetish
> cuck fetish

Have you ever spoken to a woman?

You have absolutely no clue what you're talking about, or why the EU came to be.

Pic related, the founder of the EU.

>You are probably the only ones coming out ahead in the present EU system,
Birth rates lower than replacement level, big business jews making massive profits to the detriment of the german worker, with millions upon millions of non-whites flooding the country, is NOT "coming out ahead" in the present EU system, you fucking anti-white capitalist scumbag.

>EU was born because of WW2 clusterfuck

Therefore the right of sovereignty and self-determination are undermined?

This is the product of German self-hatred, instilled within your culture and education. But not an appropriate response, even to the biggest conflict in human history.

>Only comparatively minor military conflicts in Europe after WW2

Democratic-peace thesis, as well as NATO and the UN can take account for this.

>There is never a union of equals. There is always one who is stronger.

How is this an argument for the EU?

Why should great nations (e.g. Germany) be thwarted by their lesser neighbours?

>EU as a bloc is an economic heavyweight

...in severe decline since its creation, with a bleak economic outlook for the future.

>individuals countries are too small to play a major role in the world

Who's interests are you trying to represent? The further power moves from the people, the more easily it can be misdirected.

>individual countries can be played against another

Rather entire continents?

No thanks. Europe is great, but I cannot see the value in playing us against America or the Soviet Union or vice versa.

So you would favor a reset and start from zero?

I don't see how this would bring any country to part with major economic branches to ensure a stable union.

>A cluster of regional unions. How would you keep any union from getting too much power.

You don't, the Baltic states should be free decide to form their own union if they think they share the same interests, which they do, just don't force Portugal or Ireland in the mix.

There shouldn't be layer upon layers of government. The EU should be a toothless free trade union to ratify specific agreements between countries with no legislative or executive power per se.

NATO exists to oppress the german people and ensure that they do not rise up against their american occupants.

>Last I checked NATO was a co-operative defensive alliance
NATO is a terrorist organization which is facilitating White Genocide.

Conspiracy cucks kys

You fell for the "the germans benefit from the EU" -meme, which is just rhetoric for the plebs.

"The germans" don't benefit from... being exterminated.

>I have a hard time accepting this. I know Poland is very religious but many other countries aren't
I understand your concern, my point is that God as an absolute could not be disputed - so if we say for example that the right of a nation to decide about the inner workings of its state comes directly from God, then politicians will not be able to dispute it or even question it

and we can be sure that they will try

and on top of that christianity is acknowledged as official religion of europe will protect us from islam - and maybe even jews

>that christianity is acknowledged
if acknowledged

Hello Anti-White.

Why do you want to Exterminate the White Race through Massmigration of Non-Whites into White Countries?

What are you doing on Sup Forums if you do not even recognize the fact that the primary organizers of the ongoing agenda of White Genocide, are the U.S, EU and NATO?

>1 country 1 vote

so you're saying a country the size of Luxembourg will has as much political clout as Germany? That's silly, it should be based upon population size, otherwise nations might be tempted to secede from each other in hopes of gaining a vote in the EU

> Therefore the right of sovereignty and self-determination are undermined?
Yes, exactly. Because the European balance of power needed to have a bigger framework.
> lesser nations
because we should acknowledge that we share a common culture and heritage and use that for the good of every country
> decline
As every ohter power in the world. That is not a EU problem but of our economic system
> power midirection
simple choice: be alone and weak or work togehter and be strong
> playing out continents
its easier to play out countries. as a continent we would at least have leverage.

One way would be to agree to only fund certain types of project in certain countries, so for example primary industry only gets "EU" money in Germany and some other industry only in France. You cannot STOP different things getting funded, but you can make strong incentives (money, tax, etc) to steer capital investment to the centres you determine will create inter-dependency and stability. Business will obey this "market".

Salvaging EU is like renovating house built on a sand. You need strong foundations otherwise it's going to collapse.

It's time to escape this idea that we need unions to cooperate. We can act like a unite Europe without tyrants and leeches telling us what to do.

> What are you doing on Sup Forums
I voice my opinion. This it the board for this isn't it? Just because you think you own it won't stop me from using it.

btw I will recognize shit-all of your idiotic conspiracy theories. Get a life.

>EU was born because of WW2 clusterfuck

Wrong, the ECSC,EEC and EAEC were born from that anything past those 3 was a mistake.

That's why we recreate this map (minus the roaches).

eu was a good idea. the problem yurop has always had was that it wasn't united and you have constantly made war with your neighbors. i have no problem with the eu trying to prevent this. the issue is that the eu isn't a representative government. it's simply a dictatorship with little transparency that's run by unelected bureaucrats and gives blanket laws that may not be applicable to to every member state

>idiotic conspiracy theories.
Which idiotic conspriacy theories? Are you retarded?

The U.S, EU and NATO are ALL anti-white.

Did you already forget the image I posted earlier in the thread? Don't worry, I will make sure you know what the FOUNDER OF THE EU said about the EU and the future of the white race.

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Merkel and Schulz have done everything in their power to push EU reforms since they assumed office, what the fuck is your problem? Why are you siding with Brits instead of us? What have they ever done for you?

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>Fuck off, conspiracy cuck
OY VEY

Oh Christ you're still spamming this shit.

Bub, it's not Obama's fault you got cucked.

I think the problem is that Germany is too powerful. We need a way to mitigate this.

Alright. But this means using member's money and a parliament / government to alot it to different regions.