This was such a piece of shit. Characters are dull, pacing is fucked, cinematography is bland. And the story... is an incoherent mess. The movie totally lost me where they learned the time transcending language literally by doing a timeskip with no actual explanations.
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Not even the music could save this one. There is just one question left - does it count as fedoracore?
so you just gonna ad hominem or do you have actual reasons for disliking it?
>The movie totally lost me where they learned the time transcending language literally by doing a timeskip with no actual explanations.
But that's not what happened. We didn't see her learn the language, we saw them learn parts. She learns the language in the future, in between the events and when she wrote the book.
Obviously we did not see her learn the language.
DUDE GIANT SQUIDS AND TIME TRAVELING LANGUAGE LMAO
waste of 2 hours desu.
>mystery in a mystery movie is solved offscreen
There is something wrong here and you should be able to solve it.
>learned the time transcending language literally by doing a timeskip with no actual explanations
This is where it falls apart and everything afterwards is incoherent. I also liked dude Chinese are crazy and ebil Russians stereotypes.
Please elaborate how was Bradford Young's cinematography "bland", I am really curious on what you have to say about his framing and composition.
THE KID DIDNT EVEN EXIST YET WOAHHH
>learned the time transcending language literally by doing a timeskip with no actual explanations
That's not what happened though.
>everything afterwards is incoherent
What is exactly incoherent? I found everything pretty straightforward
>I also liked dude Chinese are crazy and ebil Russians stereotypes.
Why didn't you mention the dude American tinfoil conspiracy theories better blow up the ayylmao's stereotype?
>pacing is fucked, cinematography is bland
What does this even mean?
>pacing
there's that word again.
If you use the words pacing or narrative in your critique I know instantly you have nothing of value to add to the conversation.
It's very stiff and sterile, which doesn't work with the pacing that draggs on. I asume it's meant to give you time to think, but since the movie never explains itself and skims over important details and outright ignores whole aspects of the conflict, there's very little to think about. You're literally waiting to be fed more info or forced to watch the most bland single parent story ever. When the movie does have a good shot, like when the woman gets to Montana first, it's ruined by shaky cam, which. while not excessive, is obnoxious. If you want more details, tough luck, I don't have a copy to screenshot and make webms out of.
>There is something wrong here and you should be able to solve it.
What? But it's a plot point? The fact that learning the language changes the way your brain works and lets you see the future.
I mean, it's not my fault you watched a movie, and did not understand a thing you saw. This movie was for dumb fucking idiots, how did you not understand it?
The part you are thinking about them "learning the language" is simply the aliens and the humans developing techniques to BEGIN to communicate. Breaking the ice and getting on the same page is the only hard part about learning a language neither party understands.
You're simply a pleb.
How did they decipe those rings into words. Tell me how did they do it?
haha I know that too but for me it's when someone says they like Villeneueve lol !!
Are you fucking serious? You are shown many times how they did it.
Certain dots in certain locations relevant to other dots mean certain things
Again, how did you miss this?
if she learnt the language at any point in time, why would it take until now for her to be able to use it
>Certain dots in certain locations relevant to other dots mean certain things
That's not an explanation. How did they get which dots affect what and in which way when after the time skip, they still don't know which words they're transmiting to each other.
why are there so many arrival threads now?
torrent just came out
Kek, you're a literal moron.
>they still don't know which words they're transmiting to each other.
At least you understood this part.
>How did they get which dots affect what and in which way when after the time skip
Via blundering? trial and error is literally how you learn a language, do you want a 30 hour montage of them failing to acquire terminology?
It just came out on pirate. Passengers threads will next.
>trial and error
Makes no sense when you don't know which word you have. You can try to establish their "alphabet", various patterns, but not a ruleset if you don't have at least a few words you're sure about. I'm to asume they sorted everything out in the timeskip? Yeah, no. I came for science fiction, not skipping everything science about it.
That whole post and not one argument.
Also a whole lot of contradictions (very stiff and sterile - shaky cam) and the rest is you commenting on the screenplay.
I for one loved the use of visual narrative, the gradation in framing with the shallow focus in the start where we as a viewer are sharing the same point of view of Amy Adams to the clear wide shots towards the end.
The framing and composition is used as a tool to further tell the actual story, not just to "fill in the form" by making empty pretty pictures.
Also the overall "after rain" moody morning was quite appropriate instead of a more common sci-fi look.
It even got an oscar nomination in that category, and before you shit on the Oscars know that all the technical categories like cinematography, editing, sound mixing, sound editing etc are picked by acclaimed people who work in those departments in the industry.
Only the popular categories picks like best picture and best actors deserve to be shat on.
Passengers threads will last for a day and a half max
hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha.
So, you didn't watch the movie.
>but not a ruleset if you don't have at least a few words you're sure about.
This was literally established in the montage you apparently watched, after they had learnt all each others name. I mean, it's really not that hard to catch.
Maybe you shouldn't go into a movie with pre-established Sup Forums bias.
You are a proper moron, senpai.
That's a lot of words that don't even reference the ideas in previous post and consider Oscar an argument for excelence. lol
The movie also uses a very dark palette and it's hard to see shit most of the time. But of course, it's okay to do it if you're Oscar bait.
The alien is not named Andy. The circle word could not have said Andy or whatever did the scientists call those aliens. Besides, two names would not be enough, you'd need to establish a sure way to get accurate signs for objects you show to them. This was basically skipped when it should've been the meat of the flick. At least give us a 5 minute montage of most important moments when they figured it all out. Nope, we get a timeskip and are told they have a vocabulary now. Just like we're told about China and Russia. We're told what's happening in the outside world (with the exception of one video clip online) and we're told about politicians and we're told about higher military comanders. We're also told other groups figured something out. And we're told basically everything. Where the fuck is show don't tell?
>That's a lot of words that don't even reference the ideas in previous post
Because you argued about the screenplay, not about the cinematography so why would I reference those?
And I said some actual arguments for the cinematography and you didn't reference them at all?
>The movie also uses a very dark palette and it's hard to see shit most of the time
Yes it had a darker colder color grading but to say that Bradford Young made it hard to see is ridiculous.
Stop watching shitty compressed encodes of movies on 13 inch Toshiba laptops.
I don't care what you liked because things you doesn't give any meaning to the flick. However,
>if you didn't like it you must have had a bad screen
Is this movie the biggest pleb filter of the year? I have yet to hear a criticism of it that doesn't involve not understanding the plot.
>The circle word could not have said Andy or whatever did the scientists call those aliens
Kek, no, but that's what they called them. You understand how learning a written language works, right?
>Besides, two names would not be enough, you'd need to establish a sure way to get accurate signs for objects you show to them.
Kek, right, Mr Alien Language Specialist, they should have chosen you to lead the expedition.
>This was basically skipped when it should've been the meat of the flick.
Lel, a movie about fate, not choosing to change your fate should have the core of the film focussing on how to learn a fake alien language. Okay.
>At least give us a 5 minute montage of most important moments when they figured it all out.
Holy shit, how do you not understand it? The whole fucking point is that learning this language rewires your brain, it allows you to see the future, that is fucking expressed by the fact that she didn't actually fucking learn the language in present time. You are an actual moron, they didn't show it, because it's literally, abasing the story to show it. She learnt it in the future, literally after everything with the aliens, assume during everything, except after the stage she learns the future data she has literally no idea what the aliens are saying and they are fumbling, I mean thats's literally what happened, as expressed when they have to clear up the fact they said "use weapon". You missed, this whole fucking movie.
How the fuck do you think they learnt the language? When they literally did not, Amy Adams did, in the future, after writing a book which she learnt thanks to the language rewiring her brain.
Again, how did you miss this? Don't fucking bother repeating yourself via saying "THEY SHOULD HAVE SHOWEN IT" your a fucking moron.
>telling the story through framing and composition give no meaning to a visual medium like film
First class post right there my dear amigo friend.
>if you didn't like it you must have had a bad screen
I never said that, you don't have to like it.
You just said that the visuals were hard to see most of the time, which is a ridiculous statement so ofcourse I had to assume you watched it on some crappy system.
>Amy Adams did, in the future, after writing a book which she learnt thanks to the language rewiring her brain
Thanks user. I think I get it. A language you don't speak, know how to write or understand rewires your brain to see a future which did not happen so you can write a book about understanding it, while you still don't understand it and can't communicate with aliens successfully, but it's okay since everyone in the future is Mr. Exposition so you can reenact what you've been told you did. I understand now without a doubt that this movie is utterly retarded.
>A language you don't speak, know how to write or understand
wrong, watch the movie again
>to see a future which did not happen
This doesn't just doesn't make sense, it's the future, ofcourse it didn't happen yet
>write a book about understanding it, while you still don't understand it and can't communicate with aliens successfully
wrong, watch the movie again
If you dont understand a thing, but others do, it is not the thing that is retarded.
>I wrote a book on a language
>I'm not sure what weapon actually means
Pick one
what weapon did humans need to use in 3000 years?
1, they have some understanding
2, you don't know how long the time is in between the aliens leaving and the book being written
3, they are given literally their whole language as 'the weapon'.
your argument has shifted form
>they never actually learnt the language
to
>how can you decipher a language in an ungiven about of time
You're done.
oh and
4, Amy Adams has full understanding of the language thanks to the way the alien language rewires the brain and she gains her future understanding of the language.
The lamguage was the weapon. The aliums just said that they needed humanities help in 3000 years, no specifics.
>your argument has shifted form
You're wrong.
Argument was always that we're never explained the language or shown how they learned/broke it. This is a greater set that contains smaller sets such as not learning the language (which you also admit they didn't) and shitty vague explanations (like not given the knowledge of how much time this whole thing took, which is double bad because everyone at the end acts like it's been a week and nobody got acustomed to have aliens here for years).
Order the argument in your head. You clearly don't know what you're arguing for and against.
There was far too much use of depth of field/bokeh in the cinematography imo. It just gives off this "youtuber who just bought an entry level canon DLSR" vibe rather than that of a serious film.
But hey thats just me
>Argument was always that we're never explained the language or shown how they learned/broke it
The language is just a plot device, it doesn't need to be explained to the viewer.
And if Villeneuve knew how to explain a non-linear language he wouldn't be making movies.
Arguing about plot points like that make no sense whatsoever. I bet you asked "B-BUT HOW DID THEY HARNESS GRAVITY AFTER ALL?!?!?" in Interstellar threads
protip:it doesn't fucking matter, it's just a plot device to propell the narrative forward
And you just explained why the movie is shit for me. Glad we understand each other.
The only thing I disliked is how american the movie was. Of course a sci fi flick has to be polluted with the sappy romance subplot, and of course the chinese are the hothead "bad guys."
And it was pretty weird how the aliens made no attempts at communicating in human ways. If they had just written a few words in any of our languages about how they're here to help and humans need to cooperate, they would've saved both themselves and humans a lot of trouble. There's just no way they're incapable of doing that so they were just fucking dicks for no reason.
The shallow focus was there to put the viewer in Amy Adams character point of view, because the whole movie is about Amy Adams character relationship with life/death.
At first it's very prominent, we never see a clear picture, most of thing seems blurry and far away and as the film progresses you could notice how the picture becomes clearer and clearer just like her character starts to understand what's happening etc
They stood in front of the aliens and pointed to themselves with the word human and then took off their suits and showed them their names so the aliens could differentiate. Now do this for a number of objects and verbs and you can build up a basic vocabulary. The aliens would respond with the same thing and Louise could analyse their language finding patters where they exist.
Then show it, at least a few minutes of a montage. It's like skipping an action scene in a Conan Barbarian movie and just saying he unsheated the sword.
>it's another movie that exploits time travel paradoxes to its own convenience
wew
How is teaching Louise the Heptapod language going to help them 3000 years in the future? The future scenes showed her having university classes on the Heptapod language, and the language itself was described as a gift to mankind. So does that mean she will teach many more humans the language? With lot's and lot's of people perceiving time as the Heptapods do, how the fuck is that going to work? And in that case, why would Jeremy Renner's character be chocked to find out that their daughter would die, you'd think he would be one of the first people to learn the language, no?
They did show it, even too much really.
Probably because Villeneuve hired Stephen Wolfram himself to figure out all the mathematics needed for the language/circles.
Wait a minute, was it to show humanity that the only way they can achieve interstellar travel is by working together? Which of course would be of vital importance to the Heptapods, because without Humans achieving interstellar travel they won't be able to "help" them in 3000 years
It's a piece of shit
It's not just the language, it's mostly working together. Each of the 12 ships only shared a part. They made humanity set aside differences and unite for the greater good sooner than they normally would have. Maybe those few hundred years matter a lot.