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>Sup Forums will defend the American healthcare system

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I'm not a degenerate infested with fag disease STD'S

How else would the innocent well-intentioned merchants get their billions of shekels you inconsiderate nazi bigot?

>Hep C meds... all paid for by your insurance.

Thanks for making me pay for you fucking dirty whores or shooting up.

ignore, dumb and gay reddit repost

buy insurance fag

it's a racket but at least it's more efficient than the NHS

>drug that literally cures hepatitis C
>LOL WHY SO EXPENSIVE?!

Fucking neck yourself dumbass.

>your insurance saved you $37803.79

Look at that, you payed fucking nothing besides your premiums and your deductible/out of pocket max. Such a tough life ;__;

>Insurance meant it cost him nothing

You realise in places like Britain it costs just as much but the government pays for it right you useless fuck? The pharma companies don't just say hey, the NHS is so friendly lets give them free medication!

If you are on any form of medication other than for treatment of a life threatening condition brought about randomly (not due to your poor life choices) you are a degenerate

Hep C?!
You filthy cunt.

that's a pretty dark thumb
>Harvoni (ledipasvir and sofosbuvir) is used to treat Hepatitis C

>You realise in places like Britain it costs just as much
But that's verifiably false.

>Jack up prices
>It milks money from the insurance companies instead of the average person
>The citizens pay nothing

How is this a bad thing?

>not buying generic brand over SUPER EXPENSIVE NAMED BRAND

lmao

>28 tablets
>$38k
What the fugg :-DDDD

Ironically enough Obamacare has actually made this shit so much worse. Almost as if that was the plan the entire time...

Because the insurance companies have to jack up their rates to cover their expenses, you fucking dip. The citizens ultimately still pay for it.

Yes, there is a serious problem with the American healthcare system. There isn't nearly enough deregulation, you guys should get on to that.

>It milks money from the insurance companies instead of the average person
>The citizens pay nothing
I want you to take a step back and think about what is wrong with this statement

For profit healthcare, gotta love it.

>paying $37000 for 13g of cheese

How's Fort Wayne Indiana treating you?

So he paid $0 in total. Oh my God, what a tragedy.

The healthcare industry is convoluted in every country, you should not offer opinions if you don't know anything about it.

>healthcare
>literally go bankrupt trying not to die
>everyone on the right unironically supports the pharmaceutical jew

Seriously anyone should be able to manufacture medicine and anyone should be able to buy it

Deregulate all drugs. END the FDA

>He thinks insurance companies pay 100% of the price to the pharmaceutical.

Better than the whole country going bankrupt paying for shitskin healthcare.

Dirty hep c degenerate.

>American

Try harder faggot

Yeah dude. Fuck the FDA. Thalidomide is awesome!

I wont defend a state manipulated system.

>No country has ever gone bankrupt from a nationalized healthcare system

War costs a whole fucking lot more than healthcare. Unfortunately we're the world police, so the citizens of the US get to waste money on bombs instead of chemo

I got hep c from sucking off a bunch of black guys in the gym locker-room. But my healthcare is free so i don't worry about shit like this, because i'm already cured. Must suck to feel like your walking on eggshells when it comes to your health.

Paid $3800 for "tests" that took 20 minutes.

There should be better regulation
nationalization isn't really the best solution

>War costs a whole fucking lot more than healthcare

Not when a disproportionate number of people in your country are over 50. The boomers would probably bankrupt the US if we created a national system overnight.

Pills are expensive because we develop the pills here and so the copyrights which incentivise these expensive developments are paid by us.

We do have problems with our healthcare system, though, but they are ones of litigative entitlement and over-medication. We have a culture of perverse incentives of entitlement that causes everyone to immediately seek reimbursement when shit happens. It is a huge economic drain on our healthcare system that no one is willing to combat because "that poor person was wronged by the big bad healthcare system." Because of that, doctors prescribe unnecessary expensive treatments, precautions, and medications to say that "they did everything they could." There is also far too much trust of medical technology when often procedures are risky and the statistics would have supported letting the body heal itself. Not to mention our intolerance to even mild irritation addicting us to the pain medication flavor of the month.

>my health insurance premiums pay for $38k homo drugs
Just nuke this fucking country

If you don't like it you can leave, commie faggot. Go cry more about how Bernie lost and be poor somewhere else.

Old people already get medicare AND social security though

cheaper than a liver transplant

He didnt pay anything though, kind of a bad example. Also a drug that cures sexual diseases shouldnt even be free.

>India
>$900

You don't buy a tv at Best Buy. You go there to scout it out and then buy it from Amazon. There's no reason to buy this medication in America when a few consultations+air travel to India would cost you $5k.

In Canada IIRC you make the same amount in taxes for healthcare as the average American spends a year on it.

Nigger it just paid for a cure to a disease that wasn't curable just a few years ago.

I can't tell if this is trolling or just liberal entitlement at work.

blame Obama

also blood transfusions can result in hep c not just degenerate shit

what in the hell am I looking at

>$37803

Just go to Mexico and buy the same drug for $20.

Is that a bird?

if you're healhty jsut get yourself a high deductible, low premium plan and pay cash for high-dollar shit.

If you go to the doc regularly,thouhg, you'll ge tnickeled and dimed out of your house and starve. I was given a script for a painkiller and had to take a piss test. Cost me 110 bucks to prove i wasn't on any drugs, on top of the visit and script. I might have gotten a better deal if I'd told them I have a 10k deductible.

You also subsidises most big pharm RnD for the rest of the world by paying more for drugs.

This has nothing to do with it

without the FDA, shit like amygdalin would be sold as "cancer curing" even though it has no cancer curing anything about it. And loads of people would suffer from cyanide poisoning thinking its curing their cancer

It's not a free-market system. The free market is how stuff get's made.

When you destroy the free market with socialism, you get Venezuela.

Only the free market can produce goods, and deliver services, in sufficient quantities, to satisfy demand to any reasonable degree. It is the only option. Everything else is just plain bull.

maybe stop shooting up heroin and fucking nasty cunts.

drug patents...
stop shitposting

>Reminder that literally everyone on here who opposes allowing all Americans to access Medicare is a paid shill.

I did a rotation at an infectious diseases clinic. All of these assholes get their HepC meds for free. There are 9001 different programs that pretty much guarantee anyone can get them now.

In addition, the fact that we freely hand out expensive HepC meds (as well as antiretrovirals) means that there is very little incentive to avoid getting these STDs. go ahead and have standard fuck parties of 100 dudes. Go ahead and share needles and shoot up heroin. Who cares if you contract 100 new diseases? Just get your healthcare that I pay for through my taxes to all sorts of gov't programs.

There would be third party manufacturer accreditation if there wasn't a FDA dumbass.

medicare is outdated as is social security, the private industry can do better

>third party manufacturer accreditation
No they fucking wouldn't

No one would blow money establishing real tests they'd slap some dumb label on it and you'd suffer just the same

Fucking degenerate.

Morons like you are why they have to start letting non-STEM people into medicine and why they are letting people focus on """public health""" instead of actually practising medicine.

This shit wouldn't happen if poor people actually paid their bills. Now everything's fucked because of them.

>There would be third party manufacturer accreditation if there wasn't a FDA dumbass.

You're a fucking idiot man. The whole point of accreditation agencies is they need to maintain their reputation. If they just slap their label everywhere they are meaningless.

So you want public healthcare like our? Do you have a fucking death wish?

>tfw live in a good country that lets me live a comfortable life on autismbux and also entitles me to free medication
>tfw if anything is ever wrong with me it wont cost me to have it treated
I'm glad that despite being a drain on resources I was also allowed the right to vote which I chose to exercise on Thursday to vote leave. God save the Queen lads.

>mandate health insurance companies must accept 100% of applicants
>mandate all citizens must buy health insurance
>do absolutely nothing to control outrageous arbitrary prices set by doctors and pharm companies

YOU'LL PAY IT THOUGH, WHATS MORE IMPORTANT THAN YOUR HEALTH?!!

The Uniform State Narcotic Drug Act is treasonous
As well as the FDA

That's the thing though, some just toss their bill when they get it and drop their credit rating.

Yeah dude just look at how well that worked for credit ratings agencies in Wall Street that were knowingly rating junk bonds way higher than they should in order to maintain their business.

>they'd maintain their reputation

the same way the credit rating agencies "retain" their reputation by falsely rating businesses as AAA even though their shit isn't worth dick? If the Credit agency didn't rate a business AAA the company would go find another rating agency that would rate them AAA.

Your accreditation bullshit is completely baseless and its as saying "nah they'll regulate themselves" because the NFL totally "regulated themselves" when they told their football players they were fine even though they were suffering from head trauma via concussions for YEARS.

>they'll just slap labels on it and they're meaningless
they WILL do that because they have absolutely no incentive when theres so much more going on in the back ground.

You're literally defending people buying and consuming vitamin B-17 that was falsely advertised in the 70's as a cancer curing drug until it was banned by the FDA because there were no cancer curing properties at all and people were dying to cyanide.

>get sick
>die or become a cripple for life because you don't have the money like rich people

How is that fair?

>move to USA
>running out of meds I brought from Australia
>go to gp for prescription
>2 visits, ~20 min each
>get bill
>$300 total
>insurance covers $100
>call up insurance company for explanation why I was charged $300 to ask a doctor for a prescription I've been taking since 13 years old
>told to call doctors office since they don't set price
>call doctors office, they me to call a company that determines their bills
>call company. They say doctor gave me a rating of 3 out of 5 for visits which means it's $150 each visit.
>they agree to reduce bill to $125 out of pocket
>now have my script
>$30 a packet at wallgreens, $15 at most chemists in Australia
> get my parent to buy me 6 months supply and ship it over instead
tl;dr use your original script and buy your drugs overseas

>be redditor
>dude the pharma industry is so ebil and wants you to stay sick so they can make more shekels
>whut, they dare to charge thirty thousand for curing you
As it turns out the market (patients) pay more to actually be cured, who would have thought that :^)

If people are too stupid to do basic research on their cancer curing miracle drug before taking it, they deserve to die of cancer.

I am so sick of this shit. The economy is not fair but neither is life. If you cannot afford to get sick then you should be working to obtain more wealth. I would rather see billions die than bend a knee to the fucking government and their socialist bullshit. I swear to god if thing keep going the way that they are going that me and my fellow brothers in arms will join and fight the socialists one very front.

Quit bitching about your $0.00 copay when you have fucking medicare you loser. Make better decisions.

Or just stop incessantly bitching about a place you chose to move to. Christ.

Jee it's almost as if drugs cost exorbitant amounts of money to research and develop as a company has to jump through a trillion FDA hoops for years just to have the chance of getting the drug to market with a huge risk of it never being approved to go to market.

>he said something related to the free market
>I'll call him an ancap and meme him
Nice one friendo

>I would rather see billions die than bend a knee to the fucking government and their socialist bullshit.

Why is it always THIS mindset? What is really so important in your life that you can't spare a little bit to help everyone. I am not talking full communism share the wealth and all that. But taxes are here for a reason. You don't pay someone to fix a pothole when you car hits one. You don't pay the police to show up to your house if there is a robbery. Why is parting with SOME of your money so EVERYONE can have a good life such a hard concept?

So what's the solution, shit for brains?

>pay 100000 for a worthless degree in womyn and gender sciences, nobody bats an eye
>cure hep c for pennies compared to what it would cost to let you die or never work again, people loose their fucking mind

No they fucking can't. Pharmaceuticals are such an incredibly complex operation. You actually think companies that make Tylenol actually make their aspirin themselves? You think they actually make the capsule and do the process themselves? Fuck no they don't.

The amount of disinfo that was spread about B-17 Amygdalin was enormous. You couldn't figure out who to trust until the FDA reviewed it. You're using "hurr do research" as some kind of fixall and it proves you don't know fuck about it. You magically assume the companies would regulate themselves and make honest real products even though they'd skip the years of required mandates for testing their drugs for safe consumption

It's like they just write random numbers on a bottle with little to no justification for it and the insurance company turns around and says "cool story bro".

its the content of the text that describes what he said, not the color of the picture's shirt

What's yours cunt?

Does /pol realize that there are non-degenerate ways to catch Hepatitis C?

>Not wanting socialized medicalcare means you're defending the current system
>Government will break your leg and hand you a crutch all while convincing you that if it wasn't for them you wouldn't be able to walk
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>be doctor
>swear ancient oath to heal the sick
>break it because the sick can't pay
>become something useless like an orthopedic and make millions to play golf all day

Save a life shoot a doctor

Government created problem.

There are only 3 real credit agencies on Wall Street, and they have been legally codified into a monopoly. This is not the same as a free market at all.

>they WILL do that because they have absolutely no incentive
People will literally die if a drug accreditation agency doesn't perform proper tests. Do you seriously think a drug accreditation agency is going to be able to half ass their recommendations?

American health care companies fuck americans

>This is not the same as a free market at all.

So they give shit ratings even with government oversight. How does this help your argument?

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>People will literally die if a drug accreditation agency doesn't perform proper tests
Hey you know what accreditation we already have?

The FDA! requiring and enforcing drug manufacturing and testing mandates and protecting people to ensure that their food and drugs are safe.

>Do you seriously think a drug accreditation agency is going to be able to half ass their recommendations?

Yes the same way that Credit Rating Agencies bullshit Business's credit ratings.