No memorable scenes

>No memorable scenes
>No memorable dialogue
>No memorable characters

Is this James Cameron's worst movie?

This a joke? They movie may have been pretty vanilla for the most part but almost everything is pretty memorable to me. The humans tech with all the cool gunships, the alien animals, most scenes and lines, the characters. I think the fact that everything is so simple actually makes it memorable in the first place.

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No, it's the movie that changed cinema forever.

Seriously? The only thing memorable about that movie is that fact that it was so hyped and turned out to be the most basic shit ever, except "pretty".
I don't even hear people talking about it- ever. People just saw it and forgot all about it the next week.

>lines
Such as?

>characters
Such as?

>alien animals
Shitty, generic, forgettable alien designs. "Ooh, an alien deer! An alien monkey! An alien panther! A flying velociraptor! So original"

>I don't even hear people talking about it- ever.

Nice anecdote you got there. But I guess this proves your point. Alright people, pack it up! We are done here.

I disliked everything about it except the marines shitting on stuff.

Who the fuck talks about Avatar? There's almost nothing to talk about except jacking off to its effects and how much money it made.

I unironically liked it, to be honest.

Couldn't the aliums just have given the earth bros a cutting or some seeds from that gay tree so they could grow their own?

Haven't seen it.

Posting in this thread anyway.

>lines
>Such as?
What you want me to just recite all the lines I remember? What would that accomplish?

>characters
>Such as?
Uhm, all of them? The movie didn't have so many characters that it's difficult to remember them. My favorite was Quaritch though.

>alien animals
>Shitty, generic, forgettable alien designs. "Ooh, an alien deer! An alien monkey! An alien panther! A flying velociraptor! So original"
Well then please go on Google images or Deviantart and post some pics of alien designs you deem good and original. You seem to know a lot about what aliens should look like so please indulge me.

If you've seen one Dances With Wolves, you've seen em all

I like the world building in this movie. Especially in the theater I was blown away. Pandora seems very well developed.

how

It is pretty medicore story wise. But one of the few movies that actually looked great in 3D.

it was fantastic. My friends and I can't wait for the sequels.

Right .That's where this movie's worth lies.

Avatar is so taut and perfectly layered that it makes my head spin. It clearly wasn't trying to please everyone, though, as evidenced by the plebs on here. It has a real vision and real ambitions. If you want a simple narrative and paint-by-numbers film making, go watch your shoot-em-up cop films and "capeshit".
Avatar appeals to the few of us who enjoy challenging complexity. Cameron knows that the public is aware of Dances With Wolves; that's precisely why he references it (and probably 50+ other American films). This is called an homage, and the masters use homage to keep a "conversation with history" going. He includes well-worn tropes and plot points to lure you into a far grander story. The very best artists do this. They leave breadcrumbs in their stories that work as subtext and establishing a film in cinematic history. The fact that you can't see this says a lot about your general lack of expertise in the subject of cinema. There's pretty much unanimous consensus among scholars that Avatar is a western masterpiece... One of the very few that stands shoulder-to-shoulder with Citizen Kane or Lawrence of Arabia.

Don't you see that the "story" is secondary to the "experience". Go watch Nickelodeon for "stories". Avatar is something more than that. It's an entire living, breathing world. And it poetically mirrors the horrors in our world, our Pandora: America.
The film writes the book on centuries of US history. Conquest, technology, expansion, death... It's all there. Cameron's canvas is far too large for small men to behold, I suppose. Go back to redit and have Guardians if the Galaxy spoon-fed to you. The narrative if Avatar is no more or no less than the march of Western Civilization. That's what it chronicles, that's the SUBTEXT, you ape.

Definitely. The only impact Avatar had on popular culture is the 3D meme, aka another revenue stream for Hollywood.

Dancing atop this fathomless ocean of meaning is Cameron's film. It revels in all that lies beneath, but only suggests... Only hints. He leaves it to you to draw the myriad connections he's put in the film. But this requires, you see, some understanding of history, science, imperialism, philosophy, theology, astronomy, and anthropology.
Pandora is simply too grand a creation for some to come to terms with. Maybe one day you'll grow up enough to "get" it. I've seen it about 15 times and I'm still learning. Avatar grounds its storytelling in solid plotting instead of messianic symbolism: which is actually harder to pull off and requires more craftsmanship but doesn't impress the pretentious teenagers who think Evangelion is Art. I guess some art dilettantes get their kicks critiquing the ceiling of the Sistine Chapel, so why not attack Avatar too?

I always forget it exists until I see it posted here.

Your naïveté is almost charming. The film has none of the "answers" to these questions you ask. It only asks new, more complicated questions. That's what real art, real revelatory art, does. Cameron, like Dante or Homer before him, stirs us toward a new perception of our own humanity. I have read 30,000-word essays from learned men simply unpacking the final shot of Jake waking up as a reborn creature. They haven't even scratched the surface of mastering the material. What I'm saying is, you are so far above your pay grade here that it's embarrassing. Cameron belongs to the ages, and the ones that come after is will better understand what he's merely hinting at with Avatar. The film community on the continent (that's Europe for you plebs) are just now starting to work on Cameron retrospectives. Many have found upon reexamination that Cameron is, indeed, one of the masters of the form. These men write in journals, not in the shitty blogs that you read. You have to understand that the film intelligentsia sees further than most. They can chart the impact a film like Avatar will have well into the future. And guess what the consensus is? It's timeless. It's universal. But it still somehow manages to capture in microcosm the very spirit of America at the turn of the 21st century. Only the most rare films work as both entertainment and as enduring documents of the spirit of an age.

I strongly suggest you start doing some reading on the psychological/philosophical underpinnings of Avatar. Freud's essays on dreams is a good place to start. But to feel the full weight of a tour de force like Avatar, you need a classical education. The best aestheticians have a sense of its true substance. It's not unlike Joyce's "Ulysses" in this way, another magnum opus in its own right.
None of your criticisms hold an ounce of water. You seem to be parroting the thoughts of some lesser reviewers who attacked Avatar to score contrarian points. The journey Jake Sully undergoes is both spiritual and intellectual. He enters the forest primeval, in the grand literary tradition, and does so as an "avatar" of the modern United States: weary, depressed, hobbled by war. What Cameron does with Jake is miraculous. He pulls the American public along with his protagonist as our social conditioning and technology are undercut by SHEER BEAUTY. Jake is the emblem if the bellicose American man at last setting aside his weapon.
And not just his weapon, his culture. His technology. Even his human form. In this way, he transcends all our present limitations. Cameron paints a picture of deliverance from our base natures: a deliverance so textured and nuanced that I can't even begin to describe it here. Your insults hurled at Avatar are like ice cubes flung at the sun. It is impervious to your biases and your ignorance. It simply is, in all its glory. Some of the less prestigious film theorists will publish some pablum about subjects that appeal to the typical Reddit neckbeard. They do this for obvious financial reasons. But even citing the best sources who swear by Cameron's work amounts to a mere appeal to authority. The proof, the overwhelming and emphatic proof of Avatar's place in the culture, lay in the experience of watching it multiple times with a keen eye... Then dwelling on its themes in quiet solitude. If you'd done this, you'd know what we're talking about.

I sometimes wonder why I even deign to discuss high art on a forum like this. It can be vulgar and crude, and you are living proof of that. But in the midst of the bilge, there are a few patricians whose light shines through. Those are the ones who know what I mean when I say, I see you. I see you. Your tired criticisms were already ably dispatched earlier in this thread. It's good practice in the future to read through these threads before making an off-hand comment like you did. You're entering a serious discussion about James Cameron, and you don't enter a meeting of the minds without first preparing. I was new here once as well, so I'm not condemning you. I'm merely saying that you won't marshal much respect when you thoughtlessly disrespect a film that's an established classic. My words are failing to sway you because we're arguing about art... Which is roughly analogous to dancing about architecture. Avatar is an aesthetic experience. I can't tap into your nervous system and make you see what I see (if only those ingenious Navi braids existed!), but I can try to explain the soaring heights Avatar sent the film going public to.

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Avatar and Cameron are simply beyond you, Reddit trash. I wish I could help you, but I fear there's no fixing stupid. The Navi do not lack complexity. That's a common misconception that the uninitiated make. It's clear that Navi suffer with the untold struggles of tribal life. Disease, death, pitched battles with the predatory fauna. They also have brutal rites of passage involving majestic flying beasts. They are a fully realized culture, and Cameron took uncommon care in giving then all the subtlety of an actual native people. But within your comment lay a seed that, once illuminated, blossoms into a beautiful truth about Avatar... It is your own prejudice that led you to falsely assume the Navi were not complex. It is your Western, imperialist bias that instantly demotes the native existence to "less complex" than industrial life. Cameron is trying to help you learn what Jake ultimately learns: the folkways and spiritual methods of the natives are FAR MORE complex than the mechanized human culture. This is a lesson that, sadly, was lost on you. Give it another watch, old chap, and I'm sure you'll see what I mean. When discussing Avatar, oftentimes what appears as a flaw upon the diamond's facet is actually an ornate symbol of Cameron's design. Avatar is not, as you so crudely put it, "shit". Avatar is the absolute antithesis of "shit". It's generally bad for your reputation to denounce it so openly in a forum of serious film aficionados. Please read through the thread. There are a number of intelligent responses that completely cripple your amateur analysis if Cameron's body of work. You are like a chimp wildly throwing his feces. Leave the advanced discussion of subtext and symbolism to those of us who have done the requisite study to understand Avatar.

>The only impact Avatar had on popular culture

Is this the birth of an exciting new meme?

I never see Neyriti (or any of those blue aliens for that matter) brought up anywhere except Sup Forums.

kids never go full retard

one of my favourite movies, has one of the best villains too

rounds on me tonight boys

you guys know theres gonna be like 5 squeals?

By creating a bunch of autistic retards who wanted to kill themselves because they didn't live on Pandora

Cameron will be dead before the 3rd at the current rate of production

classic Redditor talking shit about "blue space Pocahontas".

ironic they use the same line about originality over and over.

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You mean reddit movie

Huh, funny how you quote me saying something I never said. Nice strawman, dumbass.

Cameron is just the "thinking man" version of Bay.
Don't wast too much time on someone that got famous because of a movie about a robot time traveling to the past and other juvenile garbage.

For better or worse, it reinvented 3D.

See The Abyss

>Destroy your nuclear weapons or we will destroy you!

The only good thing about this movie is the real life Mouse breathing liquid scene

Fuck off back the the RLM youtube comment section

>Destroy your [weapons] or we will destroy you!
But that was the premise of many real life conflicts, what's wrong with that

The spaceship is still talked about as a great example of a realistic ship.

The visuals are still talked about.

The actual plot is Dances with wolves in space.

No one talks about this movie unless it's

1) People shitting on it

2) People defending it from said shitting

Every single time it comes up the visuals are the only thing touted as being at all compelling, and effects don't make a movie good, in fact movies that are only visual spectacles age the worst of all.

I seen people talk about the ship a lot, but I follow science fiction a lot.

A unique alien design right off the top of my head and one of my personal favourites.

And yes, please recite all the quotes you can think of as it proves how memorable they are.

If the unobtanium was so important why didn't the marines nuke/gas/disease the aliens from orbit?

She's only popular among furfags.

Other CGI girls like Marie Rose or D.Va have many times more porn.

or just use sideways drilling/mining tech to mine it.

The only one is the guy talking about the planet.

"You are not in Kansas anymore. You are on Pandora, ladies and gentlemen. Respect that fact every second of every day. If there is a Hell, you might wanna go there for some R & R after a tour on Pandora. Out there beyond that fence every living thing that crawls,...flies and so on.

That about it.

It's his best, and that should be a testament to how shit of a director he is.

No, its the return of the thin white Abatap.