Explain to me why exactly is BREXIT bad for EU...

Explain to me why exactly is BREXIT bad for EU? Think we dogged a bullet here and things would be a lot worse for us if they stayed in the EU. Just think about it. We had to tailored EU laws to what they wanted, they were the ones lobbying for TTIP, and that is implemented in EU ASAP, the most. And now they are gone and Europe can finally breath easy. No hard feelings to Brits wish them all good luck, but they should also know that EU has the upper hand in this one and that you are far more dependent on EU then other way around, so don't think you will be far better off out of EU. But I don't get why people are panicking, because Europe has never been more connected now that Brits are out.

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It's a bad political sign. It show EU is being built against their people.

So it show how fragile this construction is.

I think we'll both be better off. It's often difficult for them to pass their legislation without us wading in and wanting special conditions or exceptions. Assuming we get decent trade deals ironed out then we can both have our cake and eat it.

On a paper yes, but out on the streets and reading what people from other EU countries think, I have never heard so many people be interested in EU and so for it. It is fragile tho I'll admit you that.

This is also true. Both EU and UK can still prosper(if I am being honest more England and possibly Wales, no way Scotland is still in UK after 10 years from now...) Trade will be a hard bargain tho because EU will not step down from the free movement and UK will not accept. It will be insteresting to watch.

It's going to start a chain reaction of referendums.

I don't think so tho. Imo it has united Europe as it was never been before.

Well what about France, the Netherlands, Italy, Hungary are calling for their own referendums. It's only a matter of time before the EU crumbles.

Personally I see the EU in similar light as the Soviet Union, but only much more inefficient and retarded.

United Europe? Has a portal to a parallel dimension opened in Slovenia?

How? Is there a heavy propaganda campaign going on in Slovakia

Fuck off shill. You will fail, UK, denmark, Netherlands, and france are leaving your shit union next.

Obviously, this cuck of an OP love his "freedumb"

Italy is on the verge of another collapse, mostly due to Brexit. I'm sure other """"excellent"""" EU economies will soon follow, along with us.

>UK loses 2 trillion in 2 days
>Italy collapses
>Brexit was a mistake for UK

just shows how resilient to change the EU actually is.
pro tip: not at all

There will be no referendums in France, Netherlands, Italy, Hungary, mark my word.
Personally is see the Europe as only hope us Europeans as a group of countries have to say fuck off to masters outside of Europe and make our own rules that other should follow and not the other way around, where we follow the rest of the world. And you know this is true.

I talk to people outside of this Chan too :D. In RL to other internet groups I am in. They all agree the same. That if ever now is the chance to sort shit out in Europe and make it better. And all 27 countries must work on this.

Propaganda for what?

Ironic considering that the EU wants to contril the European continent and hold all of the sovereign states on a leash.

And the EU will crumble, like the Soviet Union for the exact same reasons.

What am I shilling for? I want a strong Europe and I think it's achievable through strong EU.

I some how can't take you seriously if you are comparing EU to SU. You are getting better and better under one union and you were fucked daily by the other. And you know which is which.

Excuse me but the Euro currency that the EU imposed on us without a referendum is fucking us over by tripling our prices.

And while a lot of people were killed by the Soviet Union at least we were Industrialized to such and extent that when we became independent it was smooth sailing in terms of economy, until we joined the EU that is.

Brexit was a disaster! Just look at this 5 day British stock index!!

Show me numbers please how worse you have it now than you had it before you entered the EU. There was a similar way of thinking present today all through the interviews that they were making with older folks, when they were asking them how they compare living now with living when we came out of Yugoslavia and became independent. All of them said: " pfffff it was so much better it was so much easier, we all had money" Then they showed the figures of what was really going on. Our average wage was fucking 75 € per month back then. LOL. And you had to work 3 times longer for buying a car than you do know. Coffee, Milk, Sugar, Bread,you can buy twice as much now than you could back then.

the markets do that whenever something major happens

Maybe they remember it fondly because your daughter wouldn't get raped by pakis while you were on the way to buy that bread, milk, sugar

Did you see me write any where that brexit is a disaster for English? I wish them well, truth is they never fitted in the EU and like I wrote in OP there were just too much things that had to be tailored for them so they didn't bitch. Also all that pushing for letting corporations mess with us with TTIP were largely done by Brits. It's better for EU and UK that they parted their ways.

>my stock exchange manipulation

When will memers finally realize short term stock value changes have nothing to do with actual political decisions or economic changes and they behave solely on game theory basis.

People play the same games at every fucking happening and yet it's still in the news. Why? We all knew that people will first speculate on a huge drop then on a huge bull market race back to the original value.

It has NOTHING to do with how bad or good the actual decision will turn out. Because no one has any idea. And even if people have some clues it won't take effect for a while.

People expected a bear, so there was a bear. Then they'll expect a bull to set it back a bit, so there'll be a bull. The fluctuation has nothing nothing to do with how good or bad the actual economy is doing.

Yet memers will wave it around in the media. And these people will diss on Trump based on how "dumb" he is.

There is no raping going on now either. What I am trying to say is that people have distorted memory when it comes it. They only remember good times, not the bad and it's human to long for something it isn't anymore.

>There is no raping going on now either.

Huh?

Yes at least 10 years of more before we see if this was a good decision for UK.

Where is this rape happening?

>we

Ahahaha enjoy your slavery and zero imput.

Sorry, forget this is the Internet and people have no way of knowing you aren't a retard rather than being sarcastic

My point is that the left was trumpeting how the markets were collapsing and it was he end of the financial world and that showed how Brexit was so foolish and terrible...

When anyone can see that less than a week later the full losses have been recovered and the index is actually up a little.

Look at a six month chart and you can't even spot the supposed Brexit induced "crash" it was so minor and temporary

>EU announced speeding up of ever closer union, including an army and a police force
Yeah, sure, it was so goddamn terrible to have the UK block all that lovely legislation.

...

Us Dutch are clamoring at the bit for a referendum, and historically, all referendums on EU affairs have had 60%+ anti-EU results.

Wilders will win the next election too.

You see this is what makes me mad. WHAT LEFT?????? LEFT VOTED FOR LEAVE LEFT CHEARED THE LEAVE.

Excuse me sir is that EU or UK?

>I want a strong Europe and I think it's achievable through strong EU.
Not even remotely. Economically, the EU is a mess. The euro is a massive fail project, that puts high capital and high debt countries in a single market, meaning too high rent and too low inflation for poor countries, too low rent and too hig hinflation for capital strong countries.

Now they are proposing a pensions union (IFPO) that would allow Dutch pension funds to sell pensions to any EU citizen... under the same coverage. Which essentially means, rich countries pay poor countries pension. A bank union is up next.
We are going to fail economically, and fucking hard, in 5 years time if the EU continues this trend.

the EU could be gone by the end of the year

Which side you are rather on. The one that Soros advocates for which in the most terrible outcome you will have few negros and faggots more in your country and few puff leftists. Or this one on which is Rupert "die you vile bitch scum " Murdoch

"I once asked Rupert Murdoch why he was so opposed to the European Union. “That’s easy,” he replied. “When I go into Downing Street they do what I say; when I go to Brussels they take no notice.”

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Deutschland is in the EU, and in your mind Köln never happened, I am sure?

Id rather fucking go down with the ship and suffer economic hardship, than let a SINGLE fucking more negro, faggor or especially Muzzie scum into this country.
And no fucking slovenes either, you slav scum.

We will see how it goes, but I believe it will only go for better. I don't think also that they would dare in their wildest dreams to do that with pensions and I'm 100% this is on the level of square bananas and 1000 laws for pillows and lies like that that come out of Euro skeptics but then you go and read that shit and it's so far off that it's beyond funny.

Ofc it happened and majority of people who were in it,got arrested and are waiting to get deported or getting other sentences out.

>majority of people who were in it,got arrested
Are you this stupid or are you shilling? No arrests have been made at all, du verdamnte Schwüler.

Because the others will want to leave now, it's really that simple.
Funny how it's a fucking Slovenian who's asking, rofl.

Then you should read newspapers and stop for a bit hanging just on far right sites and chan. 14 arrests were made in a couple of days after it happened...

there you go bud

that's right

who cares about balances of power??

German laws all day!

If the EU doesn't reform economically an politically it will inevitably fragment. Most of all, the Germans must stop dictating economic policies for other Euro nations.

Right now most Greeks have an extremely negative view of the EU and I wouldn't be surprised if they voted out in a future referendum.

Nobody wants to leave tho. There is a small uprising in Netherlands and France and that's it.
We are actually having a fair deal in EU that's why I am asking not like back in Yugoslavia when you wanted Serbinsed as all. But don't worry in 5 years you'll be in EU too. So be happy

>I don't think so tho. Imo it has united Europe as it was never been before.

It might have united the European Union elite who see their beloved EU salaries, expenses and pensions slipping away from them.

Most other countries are just waiting their turn to escape the draconian and blood sucking EUSSR.

Enjoy your Muslim hordes EU-philes.

>14 arrests were made
>over 700 sexual assaults reported in Köln
>more events happened in 5 other major european cities
Those 14 rapists sure were active!

Not to mention the dozens of other rapes the media likes to keep silent about. But sure "there were no rapes" as you said. EU is great, diversity is great! Worship your bureaucratic Muslim overlords.

And this is something that EU must work on. How the hell can Greeks have a bad view of EU if YOUR GREEK politicans fucked you up in the ass. Your own people deceived you and stole money and cooked the books. Not EU. Yet you are angry at EU.

This is exactly what the EU is... DING DING DING

>There is a small uprising in Netherlands
40% of the electorate is going to vote Wilders. Every poll for over 8 months indicates this. We are a proportional democracy, he will be the largest party.

Wilders has sworn to take NL out of the EU and the Euro. Suck a dick, you shill. Very few dutchmen want this crappy EU. We already organised a popular revolt in february in an anti-EU referendum on Ukraine. Now that that was ignored, anti-EU sentiment will only rise.

>UK loses 2 trillion in 2 days

Checks the stock market...FTSE 100 higher than before BRexit. Excellent.

Checks the German DAX - Oh dear. No move since BRexit. I guess we can see where the butthurt is going then....?

Funny thing tho. I am not actually pro how the Refugee crisis was handled at all. We should have send soldiers and humanitarian workers to Turkey and Syria and help them from there, not let them just because feelings. And things are already changing. All the imigrants will have to carry a special passport from now on and shit tons of other things have changed. And all those who do this stuff must be punished. Simple as.

I mean, I personally wish my European family in Prussia and Oslo the best, but from where I stand here, I see Merkel and elites controlling Europe for the benefit of themselves and their own grandstanding ideologies.

I don't see any evidence that the EU has been good for Spain or Portugal or Greece or Italy for that matter. Italy's economy was shit in 2008- it's still shitty nearly 10 years later except they have "cultural enrichment ala homeless and fighting age Muslim immigrants".

You guys have all got to come together and make the EU something to actually be proud of. Western people are superior to pretty much everyone on earth but this superiority didn't happen overnight and it certainly didn't happen thanks to "multiculturalism".

Do you wanna bet he will not get more than 30% at most? On the day of the voting I'll make a thread on here. And we bet for 100€. Your over 40% vs my bellow 30%

>I some how can't take you seriously if you are comparing EU to SU. You are getting better and better under one union and you were fucked daily by the other. And you know which is which.

Maybe in the rural backwoods of Slovenia, but in real Europe we can tell the difference between freedom and socialist tyranny.

We realise you've not had as much experience obviously.

When are the NL elections? I'm looking forward to this

>We should have send soldiers and humanitarian workers to Turkey and Syria
Why? Not our fucking problem. The USA is responsible, let them handle it. Shoot every refugee who tries to enter Europe, I say.

>And things are already changing
You're joking, surely? You think Erdogan will stop extorting the EU with the most effective weapon he has found in years? The Turkey deal will pass, and we will keep taking them.

Even if het gets 30%, he wins. Do you know how many parties we have? The last government made a coalition of two parties, with each respectively about 27% of the vote.

The remaining 70% will be split between 11 other parties. Wilders will be the biggest, and he will dictate policy.

15 march, 2017.

Forgot to mention: 27% for a single party was already unprecedentedly high for NL.

>Yeah, sure, it was so goddamn terrible to have the UK block all that lovely legislation.

It was all in the pipeline anyway, they just put it off until after the UK Referendum. The same thing happened with the Nice and Lisbon Treaty referendums.

Sorry we can't help any more.

WIth out EU those countries would colapse years ago. People don't realize how EU works and then they blame it for everything. I'll tell you now why does countries are struggling. When the market was created it became a really really new fresh market that investors, banks and other folk of their kind where more than happy to throw their money at it. Spain, Italy, Greece amassed huge loans because they could get cheap. Now the time has come to pay back those debts and they ain't got any, and with out of help from other countries in EU they would be long bankrupted. But hey I am just a shill right and I have no clue. IT's the elits who are trying to rule us, not stupid incompetent governments that those countries had that put them in all of this bullsht.

Then ok I say bellow 20%, Wanna bet?

>the EU could be gone by the end of the year

Unlikely, probably within 5-years though.

Erdogan will be long gone, when Turkey enters EU.

>WIth out EU those countries would colapse years ago
And now they will collapse all the same, but it will have cost a decade of economic growth in the north. Worth it? I'd say no. Let the south collapse.

>spain etc amassed loans
They were always in debt. Only constantly devaluing their own currency, manipulating rents and inflation allowed them to keep their heads afloat. The issue wasnt new loans, it is the Euro. They dont have a monetary policy anymore.

Hell, I already pay the stock market, and 100 euros is fucking nothing. I'll wager you.

I mean, this? This is a guaranteed win. Even in the lat 2 elections the PVV won over 20%.

This rural backwards country paid for your failed farmers for 30 years, before we even got in to EU. And we didn't get shit back from you. So in reality not some UK dream land where you are so much superior than anybody else, we did far more for you that you will ever do for us. BBC even had 1 hour Slovenian program for 20 years because of that on their radio....

>Nobody wants to leave tho. There is a small uprising in Netherlands and France and that's it.
>We are actually having a fair deal in EU that's why I am asking not like back in Yugoslavia when you wanted Serbinsed as all. But don't worry in 5 years you'll be in EU too. So be happy

Well of course you are, your not the fuckers that were paying for it.

Slovenia - Gib's me dat free stuff! Wait we you leaving?

Bit hard of understanding are you?

>when Turkey enters EU.
>when, not if
So even EU shills like you *want* Turkey in the EU. Are you mad?
And I wasnt talking about Turkey joining the EU. I was talking about the 6 billion we pay him every year to reduce refugees. Which he doesnt do, and extorts us for more.

He will not win however you wish for it. But I'll be quiet you leave there, so you should know more than me.

I dont think they dodged the bullet at all, they attacked precisely the wrong thing

Im no fan of the EU as it stands, but the problem isnt the existence of a pan-European pseudogovernment, it's the neoliberal ideology of the people running it... >muh sovereignty doesnt mean shit when your native elites are basically the same breed of neoliberal capitalists and you haven't got an alternative ready. You're just gonna get screwed the same way by a different set of technocrats

You see how little you know about EU and the countries in it. We were breaking even. We get out as much as we give in.

Exactly this works out for both of us you can have your closer and closer political union, shared currency, EU army and joint border and we can have accountable leaders we can vote in to make our laws and decide our deals instead of a bunch of unelected bureaucrats

Why am I mad if I want Turkey in???? Erdogan is a fool yes, but you are forgetting that the vast majority of Turks don't like him. Turkey from 1990-2011 was on the right path. Like Ataturk wanted it to be. In last few years it got a bit worse with this idiot on board, but that doesn't mean things will not get better in the future. Turks are sick and fed up with him. And majority of Turks don't give a damn about religion and shit like that.

>This rural backwards country paid for your failed farmers for 30 years, before we even got in to EU. And we didn't get shit back from you. So in reality not some UK dream land where you are so much superior than anybody else, we did far more for you that you will ever do for us. BBC even had 1 hour Slovenian program for 20 years because of that on their radio....

I'm calling Deja Moo on all that. Anyway it doesn't matter anymore as we are out. Find some other mug to pick up the fucking bill.

>Europe has never been more connected now that Brits are out

Happens everytime after a happening. Also mostly a social media phenomenon. Everyone will hate each other in a few days again.

Where do you come up with this stuff that you can't vote in EU for your representatives? There are elections every 5 years for it.

Turkey isnt in Europe. It is a backward 3rd world shithole. It is Muslim. ITS NOT IN EUROPE.

So it can fuck right off.

>the vast majority of Turks dont like Erdogan
>67% of Dutch Turks voted for him
>72% of German Turks
>44% of Turkish Turks
Not sure I believe you, shill boy.

This is the 7 thousandth thread from an Eastern European flag talking about Brexit.

Pls stop.

>You see how little you know about EU and the countries in it. We were breaking even. We get out as much as we give in.

Good for you, but I don't give a fuck. We're out.

For MEPs. Not the Councill. Not the President. Things for which you can vote in a normal country.

Not to mention, I never wanted a political union. Fuck a political union. This was supposed to be about trade. The parliament is a travesty in and off itself.

That's how we are :D But the truth is people do like the concept of EU and people do like living in it. And Brexit is a positive for EU and maybe even Uk but i seriously doubt that, well at least beyond the national pride.

European part of Turkey is a hell of a EUrope. Have you ever been there. Same shit as walking in Amsterdam or Berlin, Prauge, just a bit more crowded.

>Why am I mad if I want Turkey in????

You see THIS. Fucking THIS is why we voted out.

The last thing we want is Western Europe overrun by Turkroaches.

The Romanian and Bulgarian gypsies were bad enough, lazy thieving cunts.

Why are you so mad that we also have a voice. Is that why you left, because others had a say in things to. 4 chan IS A FREE MESSAGE BOARD, it represents everything you stand for. And on this board everybody has a right to say what ever they want. Fuck off to stormfront you faggot if you want your kind of discussion or even simpler don't write in it if you see it. I am just representing the other side.

Thats Greek Clay, you ignorant fuck.

>Where do you come up with this stuff that you can't vote in EU for your representatives? There are elections every 5 years for it.

Who voted for Martin Schultz?
Who voted for Jean Claude Juncker?
Who voted for Donald Trusk?

Nobody that I know, we didn't want them, didn't vote for them and couldn't get rid of them except by leaving the EU.

We made this plain as fucking day.

Goodbye.

I have thought about this and I can't see how the EU can possibly give the UK a 'decent' trade deal.

The EU is forced to give you a bad deal, or it will encourage other countries to leave the EU.

Pretty basic strategy

Do you actually know what kind of role the PRESIDENT of EU has, He is so unimportant, basically he is the secretary for scheduling meetings and that's it.

You and your 5% of people didn't want it. Rest do and this is unfortunatly a democracy and you will have to deal with it or move. Or try take back your land. What ever suits you.

>I have thought about this and I can't see how the EU can possibly give the UK a 'decent' trade deal.

Not without violating its own treaty with the World Trade Organisation, which took about 30-years to agree.

Doesnt matter. Cant elect him.

No one was consulted on the matter, you anti-democratic fascist.

The truth is over 90% don't have any idea what the EU is. "It's just there and we have to deal with it, like it or not" is the basic answer you get when asking people about it.

Look read my OP. I am saying I AM HAPPY THAT YOU ARE OUT AND THAT I RESPECT THAT AND THAT I WISH YOU WELL! Why are you still mad and bitching about EU. You're out enjoy.

BTW: Those people are elected by the PEOPLE YOU VOTED IN THE EU PARLIAMENT FFS. YOU VOTED PEOPLE IN WHO VOTED THEM ON THEIR POSITIONS. Pick better ones next time, oh wait you'll not in it anymore....

>You and your 5% of people didn't want it. Rest do and this is unfortunatly a democracy and you will have to deal with it or move. Or try take back your land. What ever suits you.

Or alternately have NExit and the Dutch do exactly the same as the UK. How many major economies bailing out do you need before you get the message.

Trade is okay, but we want no part of a political union.

but the people voted in are corrupt and pro EU

Fuck all of you from shitty ass countries that spit on EU. I'd like to remind you that it's thanks to the EU that you can come to France or Germany and steal our jobs; thanks to the EU that you have modern infrastuctures; thanks to the EU that you get free monies.
I'm taxed every day thanks to the EU to develop your countries and now you spit on it ?! You ungrateful little shit!