Is latinoamerica part of the western civilization?
serious answers only.
european language, european laws, european religion, some european admixture (cono sur is heavily white), european fashions, european customs and education.
the only diference is the race.
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Yes
Honestly, yes. It's just more criminal than Europe but the same happens in the USA
Yes
Yes
the problems your countries have are the same Europe has, only at a much bigger level, it's not like you guys have those civilizational problems Macron talks about in Africa, you guys just have very weak infrastructure which allowed cartel to gain power and caused the governments to be weak and corrupt
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>WE WUZ WESTERN AND SHEEIT
Brazil, Argentina, Chile,Paraguay and Uruguay are very Western, the other countries I do not know
It isn't "Western" in the truest sense of the definition, which is geopolitical alignment. South America is neither really aligned with the Western powers or Eastern powers.
>truest sense of the definition
That's an heir to Classical Greco-Roman tradition, not a member of NATO
We fought a war on their side whenever the US had a good policy with South America, you even helped us when we were about to become communists
>he only diference is the race.
and the tendency towards communism/socialism
he said differences not similarities
>implying europe isn't filled with commies and socialists
Left wing parties in Europe stopped nationalizing industries and calling for an end to capitalism a long time ago.
In fact the Social Democrats favor free trade and capitalism as long as there also is a welfare state.
It's not at all the same thing as Chavez/Cuba style socialism.
Short answer I would say is Yes.
The complicated answer I would say is: it is more correct to say you are some kind of quasi attempt at a Spanish-civilization, and therefore an offshoot of Western civilization, because of your narrow cultural and historical heritage.
I guess it is kind of like the US...We are Western (probably only because we are so powerful and lead the West, otherwise we would be blacklisted from it).
Culturally however, we are too different from Europe to claim that we are Europeans...we are also in a group by ourselves...and could possibly be classified at a quasi attempt at an English civilization first, and Western 2nd.
To some extent, yes, but theyre really their own thing.
No Brazil, they didn't "help" you with communism, a foreign power intervened in your internal affairs in order to entrench murdering corrupt authoritarians, regaqrdless of your political leanings you're a cuck of the worst kind.
Ideologiocal leanings have nothing to do with civilizational identity, and if anything Europe leans left far more than Latin America.
Socialism and Communism in Africa and Latin America mostly spread from Soviet backed communist parties in Iberia doe
Latin America is too traditional compared to western countries. East Asian countries are more western.
they supported the military and were considering invading Brazil if the army had not assumed command
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Yeah, absolutely. It's a less wealthy part, but you're still the heirs of great colonial powers from Europe and most of you have close cultural and trade ties to other western cunts. There's no non-meme reason why you wouldn't be western.
This is a really stupid fucking picture. At least, it's really stupid in the absence of a good explanation of its metrics.
I think you missed the point of that, you should be outraged not proud fascist wannabe
That doesn't have anything to do with being Western at all. The term "West" comes from Rome, as in the Western Roman Empire which gave rise to Western Europe. That's Western civilization.
the same guys that the army pursued steal us today
Spain is not european, though
If Latin America is part of the West why is it so shit?
Ignorant simpletons like you in power
a combination of comunism/socialism, social and racial divisions from colonization, corruption, war on drugs, american intervention, cold war leftovers, lack of foreign investment, no plan marshall, colonization mentality, poverty mentality on the people, brain escape to USA and europe.
and so on.
Rome is just one of the West's heritage, just accept that you aren't Western stupid subhuman spic.
Isn't Western civilization supossed to be European heritage, as opossed to Eastern civilizations, that spawn from the likes of China and Japan? In that sense your post makes no sense
No Cerote, we are easterners.
Take of that flag already and go back to Sup Forums you fucktard.
No, and never will be.
Why do I see only stupid shartmericans doubting our Westernness?
Is it some stupid inferiority complex by southerners, because they don't want to associate themselves with Latinos?
>The term "West" comes from Rome, as in the Western Roman Empire which gave rise to Western Europe. That's Western civilization.
You lack the working civilization.
South America may be western influenced, but it's not part of Western civilizations.
Besides that, South American culture is pretty different from western culture.
>same problems
>pic realted
at least they reach the replacement rate without Africans and Pakis
Quit using our flag dumb fuck proxy
bullshit. there is no such thing as "european languages", only indo-european, by that logic india is also western. christianity was born in the middle east just like judaism. your customs, fashion and tradition have nothing to do with those of germany or britain. latinos and their countries are a totally different thing with a bit of european influence
He probably means laguages spoken in Europe.
Not the linguists approach tho.
In 100 years Latin America will be the last bastion of western civilization and will uphold the glorious legacy of The Greeks, screenshot this post.
I think they are but are also sort of their own thing
Any other answer is unnecessary
No, we descend directly from europeans. At least most of us do. The reason I'd say the US isn't western is because it took multiculti to such an extreme extent and now everything's fucked
Genuinely curious. What are you basing you answer on?
Argentina & Chile yes, Peru, Ecuador, Colombia & Uruguay sort of, the rest barely and Brasil no.
>cono sur is heavily white
This meme needs to die
Yeah?
>european language, european laws, european religion, some european admixture (cono sur is heavily white), european fashions, european customs and education.
No, you are your own thing. You are a bunch of communist mestizos. If you were part of the West leftist wouldn't not fetishise you. There is certainly a lot influence, but that is just influence
>the only diference is the race.
No, there is more. Race is also another big factor as the races are different.
The southern cone is western because it lacked Africa slavery culture and agriculture, it has Mediterranean to templete climate, and that means western food. The Indians were in the stoneage so they didn't had anything to give to to our culture, so it's just watered down western culture.
It's simple, if wheat isnt the most basic flour, and if corn flour isn't exotic you are not western.
>EMPANADAS DE MAÍZ
kek
corn isn't western
That's the point.
because the west is a degenerate and racemixing pile of shit
>there is no such thing as European languages
Uh.... I'm pretty sure there are. Just look at all the languages that began in Europe.
western is a geographic term
No.
>european language
So do Angolans
>european laws
So do Angolans
>european religion
That too, Angolans.
>some european admixture
Yup, that one goes as well for Angola.
>european fashions
Yes. Angola, as well.
>european customs and education.
lol no.
For some reason South Americans think their customs are European...
Let's leave aside the deep denial of your Mapuche heritage or that there really isn't all that much Mediterranean climate to speak off outside of Chile, your whole argument is based on you not having anything that resembles a culture of your own?
Actually the culture and customs of our own basically comes from the mestizos and criollos, not from the amerindians. Amerindians had a weak culture, especially the mapuches whose culture basically consisted in fighting and fighting
Mapuches are irrelevant to Chilean culture, there's more loan words from Bolivia and Perú.
Latin America has been the least socialist/communist area of the World.
El ignorante que no conoce su país ni ha estado en un campo en su vida señores!
El solo hecho de creer en "espiritus", meterle "color" a la sopa, comer papas, las fiestas religiosas, los nombres de los pueblos/ciudades ya es muestra de un sincretismo cultural.
>Buh..buh mu european dick, negro pto
De todos los chilenos que han posteado su foto no he visto ni uno más blanco que yo.
Chile es el resultado del sincretismo cultural/religioso, la mescla del español con las distintos pueblos aborigenes de nuestro país y despues se le suma la mezcla de los colonos.
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Yo soy del campo aweonado, y posteaste algo que no existía hasta que se anexo España, eres un pelotudo si crees que los cristianos de campo no creían en espíritus, más importante, los indios del sur no sabían lo que era la sopa.
Fantástico weon, estas posteando caballos y una procesión cristiana de indígenas, exactamente el punto, esos indios adaptaron ceremonias españolas. Así de símple.
Una receta peruana con carne de un animal que llegó de Europa.
>De todos los chilenos que han posteado su foto no he visto ni uno más blanco que yo.
jajajaja
Cuasimodo es una fiesta italiana en todo caso, pero la fiesta es criolla. Otras historias como el trauco son del norte de Europa y el caleuche es literalmente el danés volador.
>el weon no entiende lo que es "sincretismo cultural"
>No sabe que la "color" se ocupa ají ocupado por los pueblos indigenas.
SINCRETISMO CULTURAL.
metete esa wea en la cabeza.
>Peruano.
Alguien enseñele historia a este tipo, muestrenle el mapita donde aparece la capiutania general de chile dependiente del vireinato del Perú.
Repito, sincretismo cultural de parte de los colonos, se adopto parte de sus culturas y se sumo a la ya existente.
Somos una cazuela, una mescla de todo.
Lo divertido es que de todo lo que postea ninguna cosa es mapuche. Las mayores influencias indígenas llegaron a Chile de mano de los españoles, y son de Perú y Bolivia. El charquican o el pastel de choclo, los arrieros son bastante más importantes para la cocina chilena que los araucanos.
oh me siento terrible por no haber estado en un campo
>De todos los chilenos que han posteado su foto no he visto ni uno más blanco que yo.
matate
Continúa dando jugo.
Si quieres a puedes postear un italiano , a pesar de que antes de que la palta Hass llegó desde California en los 1840s. Frustrate.
Dejalo llorar. Después va a postear joyeria mapuche... Algo que no existían hasta hace poco más de un siglo. Yo creo que a todos nos gustan los piñones, pero nadie va a fingir que son parte importante de nuestra dieta, el weon usa de ejemplo el campo, pero no existe mejor ejemplo que lo que pasa con la chicha, en Chile la chicha es de uva. No tiene nada que ver con los indígenas.
La color nunca ha llevado ají, lleva pimentón, ajo y es hecho sobre una base de manteca o aceite de oliva (toda la cocina tradicional chilena usa o manteca o aceite de oliva de hecho, porque no hubo acceso a otros aceites vegetales hasta bien recientemente). Los aborígenes no tenían manteca ni aceite a mano. El antecedente de la color es la manteca colorá del sur de españa.
>en Chile la chicha es de uva
Sólo en la zona central. En el sur usan manzana
Your country invented that shit.
Bravo, hablo de los distintos pueblos indigenas de chile y este solo atiende a "mapuche", bravo!
Culpa mía no es ser que se piquen a europeo al pedo se reniegue una mescla de culturas más que obvia y decir que los indigenas no influenciaron en nada.
Y pal weon de arriba, que se entere que la aparicion de los "espiritus" se empezo a dar con la mescla de los primeros conquistadores, los espiritus no son originales del cristianismo europeo.
El mismo español hablado en chile muestra ejemplos:
Cahuin
Anticucho
Camanchaca
chacra
challa
charqui
choroy
chuchoca
cochayuyo
cuncuna
digüeñe
diuca
guagua
Guíña
podria seguir asi todo el día.
Ciudades:
Hualqui.
chiguayante
Peumo
Gulutren
codegua
Tomé
codao
Chillehue
Copelen
Idahue
Y así puedo seguir igual, todos pueblos con nombre indigena o adaptado al español.
Y para el que no sepa, la tirana es sincretismo puro, los aborigenes adoptaron a la virgen como representación de la pachamama de allí el origen, asi como en mexico se celebra a la santa muerte.
>South American culture is pretty different from western culture.
Everyone says this but never explain how exactly we are different.
Y las manzanas tampoco son de origen "mapuche", pero en cualquier caso esa wea cuenta como sidra hasta donde recuerdo.
>la tirana es sincretismo puro, los aborigenes adoptaron a la virgen como representación de la pachamama de allí el origen
Hay mucha influencia china también en la tirana
deja de meter solo a los mapuches, tienes muchos más pueblos indigenas.
Pero si quieres hablar de alcohol por parte de los mapuches, tienes el muday, hecho con piñon fermentado.
Para el norte tienes la chicha de maíz tipica de los pueblos altiplanicos.
If you divide the world into the west and the east then it's in the west with Africa in the east , but if you divide the world into west, east and south then they're in the south along with Africa
Los espíritus no son nada más que herencia del paganismo europeo. Estas nombrando animales y onomatopeyas, nombres de lugares, y mencionando tradiciones que llegaron de la mano de los españoles que venían de otras partes. No existen influencias más haya de palabras prestadas. Así como usas una almohada y juegas fútbol puedes comer cochayuyo, eso no significa que sea una influencia real cultural, las recetas de cochayuyo por algo llevan cebolla, pimentón, limón etc. Deja de hablar weas todos podemos mencionás palabras prestadas estas equivocado y terminaste posteando un plato de origen peruano y una ceremonia italiana.
well no shit sherlock
Not western, European.
North Euros have sort of usurped the idea of european civilization, but both eastern and southern Europe have their own take on european culture and civilization.
In short, we're the poorer brothers of western civ defined by anglos, frogs and germs.
Como olvidar el muday, típico copete chileno importante en todas las mesas.
Los indígenas locales no influyeron en la cocina pues sus cultivos no eran tan viables como los que trajeron los españoles de otras colonias, así de simple.
Si, y ninguno fue muy relevante para la cocina chilena.
Stable, accountable democracies. Civil liberties that's actually upheld. Social Progressivism.
Why isn't SA one country? Don't you all speak Spanish anyway (well except Brasil)? Wouldn't that become a pretty relevant entity?
Yeah, but that would require them becoming one monetary, economic and political union which would be terrible for most of them
>Culpa mía no es ser que se piquen a europeo
Ya, y tu tuviste la necesidad de decir lo que dijiste, cierto? Y por que habriamos de creerte, en un sitio anonimo?
>France doing a lot of fucking
Who would have guessed? Then again, they have the same fertility rate as most of MENA. Coincidence?
What you're describing is success not culture or civilizational identity, if a Western country does it stop being Western? Is Greece, the mother of Western culture, a Western country by that definition? Is Italy? What about the USA? And what about you? You're not even a republic if you want to get technical.
wasn't just talking about geography
¿y? ¿Es que te tengo que poner el significado de sincretismo cultural en la sopa?
>Chile es el resultado del sincretismo cultural/religioso, la mescla del español con las distintos pueblos aborigenes de nuestro país y despues se le suma la mezcla de los colonos.
La comprension lectora del chileno promedio señores!!!!!
>típico copete chileno importante en todas las mesas.
Es de alcohol espirituoso, se usa para los ritos.
Hable sobre alcohol que mencionaron y nombre solo 2 que son parte de la cultura indigena de los pueblos.
¿Siquiera pueden leer bien? Cuando hablo de sincretismo o mescla de culturas esta claro.
Cuando hablo de algo que tiene cierto pueblo como la chicha de maíz o el muday, hablo de los aborigenes y no menciono influencia o no.
Es basico entender que cuando se hace referencia a un contexto, este esta remarcado en el texto.
Aprendan a separar un post del otro porfavor.
>buh buh ningun pueblo originario tiene influencia en nuestra comida.
El simple acto de ocupar tomate en la salsa es muestra de sincretismo cultural, el ocupar el choclo o el maiz, el comer merken o tomar chicha.
llevo media hora tratando de que entiendan un concepto basico de enseñanza media.
EL PUTO SINCRETISMO CULTURAL, esta en toda la cultura latinoamericana y europea.
No seria la primera vez que subo una imagen, como muestra.
Suelo rondar /soc/ si quieres saber más.
Comida ancestral de los picunches
*if a Western country fails does it stop...
If a western country abandons these things than it stops being western even if it's still physically in the west. Latin America as a whole isn't a part of western civilization though it could be and in fact there are some individual countries in latin america that are because they uphold the values I mentioned in my previous post
But at some times Europe didn't have democracies.
When I say western culture I mean this definition:
>Western culture is a term used very broadly to refer to a heritage of social norms, ethical values, traditional customs, belief systems, political systems and specific artifacts and technologies that have some origin or association with Europe.
I think we fit in this definition, but oh well I guess we are African/Ameridian after all. Now I realize we have more in common with Nigeria than Portugal
No se te ha ocurrido pelotudo que todos entienden eso y no te dan la razón simplemente por no tenerla?.
Tu postura es simple, si los indígenas comían algo y los criollos lo comen es influencia indígena, pero en caso contrario no es influencia europea.
Es extremadamente simple, no comemos los platos que comían los indios. Muchas tradiciones de los indígenas no existían en territorio chileno o simplemente no existían en tiempos coloniales. Diste ejemplos absolutamente estúpidos como cuasimodo, en Chile el maíz no es un alimento fundamental y no lo ha sido por más de 200 años.
culture and values change over time, in the present these are the things that make a country western even if they weren't always embodied by western countries
Ahora si quieren que les explique con manzanistas y les separe más los textos, les meto comillas «" ' ' "» , corchetes y demas.
Claro que no, pero las papas fueron llevadas a europa desde el actual perú y Chile y la variante que se consume más en el mundo es de acá, la papa era cultivada por los pueblos indigenas antes de la llegada del europeo.