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Oh, mamma mia. This thread's a bit too much.
GRAZIE RAGGAZIE GRANDE LAVORO
Is an driver an athlete?
breh
no 2 driver thread
>an athlete
>an
fucking leaf, sort out your memes
>no MGU-H
>higher revs
Reminder that exhaust sound is created by the energy of hot and fast air
Reminder that MGU-H is harvesting exactly that energy
They will be screaming fuel guzzlers lads. And fuel tanks will be bigger again. I wonder if this means there will be turbo lag or WRC tier HP limitation though. I hope not.
>Standard energy store and control electronics
DELET THIS
>How do you want your season famalam?
>Just alternate history my shit up
For the 2020 season, Qantas-VW brought in veteran shitposter Giedo Van Der Garde to drive alongside main driver Kamui Kobayashi. The 2.4 liter VR8 engine was known for being overweight, but easily the most reliable motor in the field. Their best result came at the 6 Hours of Bathurst, finishing 1st and 3rd in a race that saw 60% retirements due to engine failures.
desu, we'll find out what RB really thinks next year. If ricky has the yellow t-bar, he needs to sign that apparent deal with Mercedes immediately.
revs will still be at 12k due to fuel regs, problem with that engine is that its too good to operate at at 16-18k
>2020
>history
Americans can't into chronology.
I'm guessing our buddy Cletus is referring to that alternate history site's F1 thread, which is autism on a whole other level.
They go well into the future with hyper detailed timelines.
If they don't change the fuel regs cars won't even make 500hp without MGU-H
...
I know he won't do it because he hates F1, but could Penske theoretically reenter F1? Have they got the resources or are they spread too thinly across many championships?
MGU-H makes engine 15-20% more efficient tops, last years merc engine did 1k bhp and every engine manufacturer says they are up 50 to 100 bhp this year.
I mean 200~ horse power is a lot, but its basicly difference between merc and honda these days and its not that much really. With a much bigger MGU-K that will be usable for laps straight i think it will be pretty much the same. Now imagine this engine revving up to 18k with proper fuel supply, it will easily break 1100 bhp and with kers on top of that, wew. Fuel regs kill the whole idea though.
Theoretically yes. The overheads would be far higher than in turnleft or Indy, though. Penske being Penske, he'd insist on at least one American driver. Carl Edwards isn't doing anything. Any other candidates spring to mind?
Scott Speed
They had one fucking job and that was to get rid of all the hybrid bullshit. It's unreliable, expensive, destroys grids and ruins the sound. All they needed to do was add another turbo and allow a small increase in fuel flow.
The current disparity among teams is down to overstrict engine regulations. Get ready for a full decade of MWL
when was f1 the most kino
2015 :DDD
>2015
how many years you'd have to wait until you get laid
australia what the FUCK!?
bahamas what the FUCK!?
rood
I think he's suggesting you're an annoying prick.
rent free
2012 was the most kino season in recent memory at least
1982
Imagine being this mad already about our multiple WDC
1982
>Less than 2 posts per minute
Has italy ever been less crucial to f1? If italy ceased to exist in the morning what diff would it make? Thered be one less yuro race and less red cars on the grid. Thats it.
Reminder that the only thing this guy does besides counting his money is getting all the credit for David Sanchez and the aero department's work.
is f1 clothing popular in your country?
No more Hartley the qt3.14 doe.
Removing the MGU-H is a stupid move. Mercedes claim it provides 60% of the ERS power, so with the higher rev limit that means the cars will be using as much fuel as the V8 era again for less power output. So much for "efficiency". They couldn't have just made it smaller or a spec part to reduce the costs instead? Bigger MGU-K will make up for a small amount of the ERS power loss, but they won't be able to harvest an extra 150% braking energy.
>gio
>leclerc
>haas
>sauber
>STR
pretty much only reserved for unhappy fathers and geeky looking teenagers here, but a shitton of them.
All in RBR gear of course.
Just see the odd ferrari jacket but its always saxo with a bodykit scumbags wearing them.
gypsies here love everything with mercedes before it was mclaren
Sauber is swiss, you faggott
Of course MGU-H isn't solely responsible. But with MGU-K and fuel flow locked the first thing to do is reducing the wasted heat, trbo and ERS-H. Then, engine.
I'm sure fuel regs will change. If they don't change the fuel regs engine wise nothing different would happen. And 200hp means 20% difference, gigantic. Don't underestimate it. The "normal" figures I remember was 950, 940, 930 and 860 though.
>hybrid
Will be literally KERS, it had no big effect before, although admittedly it was much weaker
>sound
I already explained, noise = energy in the exhaust. Turbines (turbocharger) in the exhaust = harvesting the energy that's going to be noise. Turbo is responsible, but ERS-H increases the effect a lot more. And they got rid of that exact part, you should be happy instead.
>add another turbo
Are you suggesting that there shouldn't be any energy left in the exhaust for the noise? For, more noise?
>unreliable
Not really, FIA is too tight with the penalties instead. If they used every engine only once like they used to you wouldn't see them blowing up.
>expensive
Because much more intense R&D and lots of blown engines for reliability tests lel. But it's not your concern, it's teams concern.
>full decade of MWL
Ferrari closed the gap to "unimportant" this year and Redbull won races. Both of them have better car than Mercedes. It's only a matter of time.
So basically every single thing you said was wrong.
What is he going to do with that knife?
gypsy things
>Are you suggesting that there shouldn't be any energy left in the exhaust for the noise? For, more noise?
twin turbo doesn't affect noise that much desu
What the FIA should have done was increase the allowable engines per season, capping it at 2 or 3 is fucking stupid and will just increase development costs because the current engines aren't made for anywhere near that longevity
didnt group c was a regulation set, based around a set fuel quantity?
they're using ferrari engines.
A lot of engineers at the top leadership levels are Italian, even in the "british" teams.
That picture is actually from Sweden.
They can always lay fown to another manufacturer to put their youth in their cars for some free 200 years old engines
fokken mobile mixes up my post autistically
heh
2012 was the last good year
>According to our info engines should be 10kg lighter, fuel flow will be increased to 120kg / h, 6-8 engines per driver
Maybe a little bit of small hype...
>Will be literally KERS
It's a hybrid engine mate. Petrol and a powerful electric component. If the MGU-K fails the car retires. It's not an additional component, it's a vital component.
>unreliable
>Not really
Tell me again how many Renault engines failed during the last GP. Every single race there's an engine failure, how is that not unreliable?
>But it's not your concern, it's teams concern.
Are you simple? Privateer companies are on their knees from increased costs. Sauber is existing on pay driver money and Williams is existing on Strollbux. Increased costs = works team dominance
>Ferrari closed the gap to "unimportant" this year and Redbull won races
Ferrari's chassis is universally considered to be superior to Merc's. Mercedes undisputedly have the best, most reliable engine on the grid. RB won it's races with a lot more luck than Merc or Ferrari; Max's win in Mexico was due to the Ham/Vet incident and Bottas sitting on 2nd in case Vettel challenged for it. As long as this engine formula continues, Merc will dominate.
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>Manufacturers not happy with 2021 engine concept. Toto Wolff: "It's just a starting point for further talks."
lol
twitter.com
>Wolff warns of high costs: "Concept sounds similar to current engine but it requires a completely new development
Yay for "cost-saving" rule changes that require more spending than before
the spoiled brats of the late v8 era are whining on reliability.
in the 90s, early 00s there was way bigger rate of unreliability than usually now.
MOAR SILINDARS
>gib moar cylinder nao
why do casuals/reddit think this by itself will fix f1?
It does though. The only thing really wrong with current F1 is the engine part. And Mercedes dominance because of it. And teams being way off pace. And grid penalties.
I want my V12.
>Tell me again how many Renault engines failed during the last GP.
Who the fuck cares? That's Renault's fault, they fucked up on one weekend with the power to risk trade off. Verstappen won with a Renault engine.
Who the fuck cares if Sauber goes? They are a waste of space with a poorly managed team, that just simply needs to sell out like Toro Rosso. Force India managed to do well with little to no money, Sauber just sucks. Williams with all the money in the world couldn't beat Ferrari when they had BMW and HP, they are simply garbage.
Ferrari have closed the gap on power, had the FIA shutdown that loophole the final Merc engine wouldn't have been as powerful in the end compared to the final Ferrari engine. Also Ferrari never shipped their full final dev package as it just simply wasn't ready.
Go fuck off and watch a spec series if that's what you want. No one complained the engines were too complicated when they were exploding left and right in the late 90's. But now because your eardrums don't bleed it's suddenly such a problem. If you didn't have a proper works engine it was rare for you to win a title back then, and the same thing applies now.
>Less red
>Less fans
>Less money
>f1 dies
Just like your country
faded italy BTFO
They would be very happy if F1 lasted for only another 3 years if they just went batshit with rules.
With the championship over, will RAI and BOT be unleashed for the final two races?
If the bolted on KERS failed and it was important enough they would also retire.
I'm saying it's not hybrids fault. NA's would also fuck up with the current regulations. They have to make the engines work for at least 7 weekends. They used to do only 1 weekend or even one day. This is why. They would still blow up though, but it would be only one race ruined, not two.
So what? This is fucking F1. It has always been like this since first time. Teams also race each other with their technological development. Get used to it or go back to stagnant spec series.
Also reminder that Sauber had one of the most complicated wind tunnels and Williams had a great supercomputer. And the "equality" rules about sims and wind tunnels ruined it for them. It doesn't matter anymore.
Last one is debatable. I'm not going to talk about the future. We will see. For now, Ferrari is equal to Mercedes. Better aero, worse engine. Balanced.
Number itself doesn't matter, but they think it does, that's the point. They want "naturally aspirated" engine, not an engine with given amount of cylinders. You can make it a hybrid turbo V12 with ERS-H and have the same noise in double frequency. You can make it a V6 NA and it will be as loud as your mom when I was banging her
>implying that dumbing down anything technical in F1 will save costs
t-t-thanks FIA
The proposed regs all sound good to me except the plug and play or w/e and the manual driver ERS deployment.
The first one kind of cucks development in a way we wouldn't have seen things like the split turbo. Not having that rule give a more development space Whig is good. The latter annoys me because the ERS is the perfect answer to turbo lag but the driver won't be using it to do that if only he can activate it and then they currently also have a button to hit for extra ERS power. Just leave the ERS deployment as is, it's fine.
Removing the MGU-H, increasing the RPM, and increasing the fuel flow should help the engines sound good (better at least).
Kimi has been unleashed since Singapore
This
Most of them have only been watching for 10 years, and just see old highlight reels and think that's how it used to be.
I think of the last two races, Kimi has a chance at Abu Dhabi, seeing as he has gone well there, and they won't deny him the chance to overtake (Hungary but Vette had mech issues).
IDK about Bottas, I think he just wants the season to be over so he can go find some clarity. I know Aki has passed away, but he should visit the institute he left behind to fix his head. He's got speed, but it's just not there all the time, and honestly he shows just how underrated Rosberg was.
About half are ok/good.
Half are bad.
The fuel one could also be bad it depends what they decide to do.
I don't get the "plug and play" stuff, can someone enlighten me?
>Removal of the MGUH
>good
Completely wrong
A team running a Renault engine can switch to a Merc engine without having to completely redesign their car (remember what happened to Lotus in 2015 and Renault in 2016?)
I that it to mean that the components mentioned aren't as tied into the car as they are now. Like an engine change won't take 2 hours or so. It also means that if regulated there will be dimensions and particular mounting points all the engines and cars and "plug and play" shit will need to have.
I disagree with ERS. We don't know about the elaborate regs and thus, turbo lag. There might be small electric motor to keep turbo spinning like in some production cars.
I think it's FIA being more elaborate. Scroll down for the visuals for the different designs for the same guidelines. Like how Mercedes and Ferrari put the intake and exhaust manifolds further apart to keep their heat to themselves. Even this subtle change can alter the power. Merc will has the coolest airflow, Honda has the hottest. Guess which one blows more often and weaker. of course this isn't the only reason, Honda has terrible testing issues IIRC
formula1-dictionary.net
This in F1 when?
>intake and exhaust manifolds further apart
Not manifolds, just airflow. Wew I was retarded.
Also forgot to say that this would make it much easier to swap engines between manufacturers. Or at least between the sessions
All this is going to do is turn F1 into an aero only formula again, and it's just going to go back to RWL all over again. It's no wonder Horner is pushing it so hard, and he's a salesman so whenever he's in front of a commoner he talks like a caddish politician appealing to the commoner.
I'd just change the regs to redo the prize money before I do that. I know Ferrari want to keep their paycheck, but honestly I bet they might compromise with the right offer. However what's stopping FOM from just giving more money to the lower teams? I don't think the money is the issue though, didn't Force India say they have the smallest budget on the grid? Look at where they are.
Williams has a gimped Brazilian, and hack for drivers. Even when they had BMW/HP money they couldn't win a title with how terrible they are with management.
I really don't think that's the case, as that would ruin the tight packaging needed for aero. Also that would be killing F1 more than the Halo.
I think I'll go with Finland option.
I think it might make sense if they are planning some way to introduce more small teams that can basically hop from an engine to another every season but development wise is just trash
>Completely wrong
Explain. Spooling isn't (shouldn't be) an issue, the MGU-K solves all turbo lag issues (unless they go 100% driver deployed), the MGU-K increasing in power should be fine charging wise.
The MGU-H is the most expensive to make and develop part, or so Honda and Renault have said.
>Or at least between the sessions
Also, if they are going to push this long life engine meme even more I don't think it's necessary to introduce something that favours the change of an engine, it's counter intuitive
They filled it that fast? What about the air in the lines? Maybe they have quick disconnects that seal the system when the lines are split. I guess the air doesn't that matter, it's just the level and it can just be burped.
it would be hell lot of a kek, if fia would not restrict the engines to 6 cylinder, then the ferrautist would get their V12
with 1.6L displacement
How will they generate enough power to fill the MGU-K? That can't all be done by braking can it? The MGU-H did the heavy lifiting.
>the MGU-K increasing in power should be fine charging wise.
But how much does the MGU-K harvest from the breaking tho? I mean, these cars now brake later and softer thanks to aero allowing to carry more speed in the corner so I guess that a big part of the ERS charging part comes from the MGU-H that harvests heat and gives it to the battery to store it for when the turbo needs it, with only MGU-K will the car even be able to charge it enough?
Break by wire is breaking using the front discs, the rear disks and the MGU-K. The MGU-K only charges in breaking and does there heavy lifting. The MGU-H more or less made the turbo sit at the perfect RPM for the engines RPM harvesting and deploying as needed.
Honestly I'm pretty sure Audi were part magicians.
They banned it pretty much instantly.
True, this will just be more wind tunel money
The MGU-K is bigger than the MGU-H which indicates it does more work. What percentage of the time does the turbo not spin at the correct optimum speed for the cars RPM a lap? Because that's the only time it harvests and deploys.
>What percentage of the time does the turbo not spin at the correct optimum speed for the cars RPM a lap?
I'm very inclined to say never desu. They're almost always above 10k
Batteries are extremely efficient though. I think I heard over 90% efficiency.
>Gelael aiming for F2 WDC next season with Prema
What a fucking meme
Normal people have Red Bull or McLaren hats, "villeritos" got Mercedes hats, and old people have Ferrari shit.
Expand please
Also
>Implying Lando Norris won't annihilate him anyway
He said in Indonesian media that it'll be his third year in GP2/F2 and thus it's time for him to go for the title
More about the Prema part, I don't see them taking him especially if the rumors of Norris getting a seat with sweet McLaren backings
He'd do worse than Fuoco lmao