Why didn't Aragorn just have the ghost army clear out Mordor as well?
They've been ghosts for a while it's not like another battle would've been much for them
You'd think as their king he could just have them do another battle to make up for their betrayal
he literally couldnt afford too, he gave too many tax breaks to the upper classes
They only granted him 1 wish
Because Hackson.
And why do they look like shit?
That wasn't part of the deal. His power over them stems from his moral high ground, if he were to become an oathbreaker as well they'd be equally cursed and Ghosty III Spookington could fuck him up.
If sauron knew there was an unbeatable ghost army at his gates he would have his orcs fall back to his fortress and wait them out. Then frodo and Sam would be caught
I am altering the deal. Pray I do not alter it any further.
That part plays out exactly like a quest in D&D
>DM(Elrond) tells them they have to go free the souls of these oathbreakers
>but how?
>Gives Aragorn Anduril
>Party leaves the night before a giant battle without saying a word
>NPCs are all like wtf
>Come back a day later with giant ghost army
The real question is why did the ghosts pretens to sail the boats? Theres literally only Aragorn, Gimli and Legolas there but for no reason they sail like 6 boats.
Either ghosts can't swim or they did it to take the orcs by surprise by pretending to be the corsairs.
Didn't they only take out the pirates in >the books?
Mmm... this.
Well im pretty sure in the movies they just float over water to attack the boats.
And what benefit is the element of surprise? The ghosts just run right through the army. Wouldve been a better plan for them to get there ASAP, keeping as many men alive as possible.
2 reasons.
1. If Sauron knew there was an invincible ghost army heading towards Mordor, he would have simply closed up shop and not sent out his army. Frodo and Sam get caught, Sauron reclaims the ring, movie over.
2. Aragorn gave them his word.
In the books, Aragorn uses the ghost army to basically scare/demoralize the pirates attacking a different part of Gondor (the ghosts can't actually hurt anyone, since you know, they're ghosts). This let the soldiers of Gondor win the battle, killed the pirates, took the ships, and then they followed Aragorn to Minas Tirith.
Since they appear to be invincible in the film, then yeah there is zero point of them bringing more than one boat.
the entire movie series can be narrated like a d&d campaign. im serious. gandalf was the gm pc. aragorn talks like a nerd roleplayer who read the whole play manual and wants to be the center of the campaign. legolas and gimli were the chill guys just having a good time doing cool combat shit together. and pippin and merry were the stoners who only show up to half the play sessions and play as dumb as possible. frodo is the gm's little bro who he has to humor with a "mini campaign". this might've even been jackson's little joke since legolas returns for the "second campaign" in the hobbit as a level 10 character
By acting as a "Trojan horse" they draw out more orcs and concentrate them in one place. But yeah, since the ghosts are fast as fuck and can literally fly, it doesn't make much difference. It's a fucking movie, they wanted it to look good.
The ghosts can fly over water,why couldn't they fly over the black gate or just climb up to the spiders lair?
it would have actually been better if Sauron, having control over the dead (being a fucking necromancer and all) would have fucking dispelled them all the way from Mordor. Like, they do just enough damage to scare the main army of orcs, but just as aragorn gets it in his head to keep the ghosts, whammo, the eye of sauron flares up and emits a screech that sends the ghosts hurtling into oblivion.
You could say he wasn't powerful enough to flatout take control over them, but had enough juice to send them away.
wasn't aragorn pretty reluctant to take leadership position though? if anything Boromir would have been the guy butting in on everyone trying to take control of the campaign.
Not their fight desu, they only wished to be free of the curse, don't give a shit about the world of men and elves. Aragorn gave them his word on account of this one thing they would do, he wasn't asking them to get fully involved in the war.
Why didnt he wish for infinity wishes?
Orcs are one thing but Mordor is a pretty magical area and Sauron even in his weakened state may have been able to wipe them out.
your idea is stupid on multiple levels
1) wouldnt fit aragorns character
2)would raise 34 thousands of threads about WHY DIDNT THEeye nuke the ghosts earlier
3)well fuck off
Uh.. what?
Sauron is the equivalent of an angelic spirit and very powerful. He probably could have kicked the ghosts asses even without a physical form.
but what was his tax policy?
Sauron isn't the equivalent to an angelic spirit and the ghosts weren't able to do anything to begin with, if you read the book you'd know that they were used to simply scare off the Corsairs.
Why horse ghosts? They also broke an oath?
I've been reading all of the books, the Hobbit and the Silmarillion since 1999-2001 ish.
Sauron is the same kind of spirit as Gandalf.
Shoulda wished for every time he makes he makes a wish he gets an extra wish.
Right, but Gandalf and Sauron aren't 'angels', the Valar are more like angels than Sauron and Gandalf. You have to remember that Tolkien based his greater beings on Catholic stories, angels in the old testament were walking natural disasters who could completely destroy parts of the world effortlessly.
The Valar and the Maiar are both of the same nature, the Valar are merely greater.
using the ghosts to solve your problems is a slippery slope
after mordor's been taken and peace is restored, what's stopping Aragorn to hold the ghosts as peacekeepers in his kingdom? think about it. you'd never have to worry about rebels or invading foreign kingdoms after that. people would always happily pay their taxes and no fat writers would have to worry about the technicalities of it
but the problem is the ghosts were there of their own free will. what do you think will happen if they find Aragorn untrustworthy? violating a pact once means you'd always violate it. the ghosts will wreak havoc on humans and now you got a whole another enemy to deal with. if you recall at the beginning of the trilogy, Isildur wanted to keep the ring because it could still be useful for his people, and doing that he allowed a whole another problem to arise later on. sounds really familiar, doesn't it?
Aragorn promised to free them after the battle.If he broke his oath and didnt let them go, it would make him the one that doesnt keep his promise.This would possible be illegal.
he's a king he can afford a good lawyer
Might as well add this one to scenes women will never understand...
How could he afford anything, he doesnt even have a tax plan