He's only fought twice though, the Klitschko fight was the single biggest win of the year but then the Takam fight wasn't great.
No real stand out candidates. Lomachenko is expected to beat Rigo he doesn't deserve it. Ward beat Kov then retired. Bellew had a big win against Haye but didn't follow it up. Thurman fought once. Spence fought once. Crawford had 1 notable win.
Cameron Green
you gotta put the manuel charr fight in the OP it's for a belt man
Julian Baker
So is Joshua done ducking Wilder?
Cameron Ortiz
Rungvisai for sure has it in his hands already.
Thomas Mitchell
yup
Adrian Morris
Actually, is it possible Berchelt is a good candidate for it? Miura and Vargas are good names for one year, and if he hadn't gotten injured, the Salido fight might have just made him a shoe-in for it.
Chase Sullivan
What belt the international title? Oquendo gets the regular belt fight
Kevin Myers
Don't get me wrong, Golovkin and Canelo are good fighters, but neither of them are great fighters like Chocolatito or Crawford.
Sor Rungvisai's double win over Gonzalez should have him in the p4p runnings. SSR v. Gonzalez 2 was the most convincing win of any contest between elite fighters this year.
Aiden Adams
1. Golovkin (Jacobs and Canelo) 2. Sor Rungvisai (Gonzalez x2) 3. Crawford (Diaz and Indongo) 4. Joshua (Klitschko and Takam) 5. Ken Shiro (Lopez and Guevara) 6. Melindo (Yaegashi and Budler) 7. Ward (Kovalev) 8. Sultan (Jaro and Casimero) 9. Berchelt (Vargas and Miura) 10. Tanaka (Acosta and Chayanram)
Connor Bell
It's not happening soon, deafening silence from Eddie Hearn. They're fighting someone else in March, maybe the WBA mandatory (Povetkin probably) or Miller then in the summer Wilder is plan B if the Tyson Fury fight falls through
Angel Lopez
Golovkin didn't officially beat Canelo so it's not going to him. The Ring magazine owned by Golden Boy definitely isn't giving it to him
Mason Hernandez
Ward Crawford Sor Rungvisai
Ryder Stewart
Lomachenko or AJ
Connor Thompson
>1. Golovkin (Jacobs and Canelo) If you showed me this on paper at the beginning of the year without any context, then I would say yeah, that's fighter of the year right there. But both wins were unconvincing.
The Jacobs fight in particular had people split 50/50 on who they thought won, so if you want to do this retroactive "Canelo actually lost" argument, then you have to apply that to the Jacobs fight too. And many who scored for Golovkin thought that Canelo had a good argument for edging out, and many more were happy with a draw, just unhappy with the scorecard Byrd turned in.
Even if you think he won both bouts, he didn't do it decisively enough to be above the likes of Rungvisai and Berchelt who had two elite level wins that are undisputed.
Christopher Parker
Ward only had 1 fight, Crawford fought a Diaz who wasn't relevant then a lanky African people hadn't heard of until 2 fights ago. It has to be Rungvisai because of who Roman Gonzalez was going into those fights
Aaron Allen
It wasn't in any particular order. Overall I'd give it to SSR for the top spot, but Ward is my favorite fighter from the last few years.
Adam Hernandez
Gonzalez had lost the first fight he also had looked on the decline before that even with wins.
Grayson Thompson
damn youre actually right they kept proming it as a wba title fight
Mason Diaz
He didn't look on the decline before the losses to SSR. He was looking completely dominant against everyone until the Cuadras fight, where he edged it a little close, but nothing to indicate a decline.
We'll have to see how Chocolatito does against his next opponent (Rumored to be Yafai) as to whether or not it was just a bad stylistic matchup, but i'm inclined to believe that SSR just isn't good news for Gonzalez, and I think it's going to be the same against Estrada, which is unfortunate for me as a fan of El Gallo.
Michael Thompson
Rate my late lunch
Michael Phillips
Looks like someone shit on a piece of bread.
Caleb Howard
Why would you eat that?
Julian James
All euro cuisine is shit outside of france and italy.
literally shit tier food all throughout that cuck zone.
Asher Hall
Filtered it a bit.
Slowly cooked beef in strong dark beer, pulled apart, on a ciabatta bread with chipotle pesto, pickles and rocket.
Lincoln Gomez
Forgot caramalized onions.
Kayden Murphy
Calling Euros cucks while bragging about having more shitskin cuisine and relying entirely on niggers for success in boxing.
Ladies and gentlemen, the American.
Nathan Edwards
Name 10 active elite british boxer
Joseph Watson
Oh, that sounds pretty alright, user. I thought it was a pile of canned spinach on bread with pickles under it.
Brandon Bell
Jesus Christ dude, what kind of life have you lead to end up feeling the need to shit up a sports thread for attention?
Luis Lopez
......what?
Brayden Hernandez
Stop responding to the faggot, he's just baiting. See the Finland flag, ignore, and move on.
Joseph Torres
>d-down g-goes j-jacobs
Elijah Williams
fuck off germany has top kebab, kebabs from berlin
Hudson Rogers
had literally the best kebab in dusseldorf after watching fortuna 95 win the winter cup vs bvb, bremen & leverkusen
Noah Jackson
Spanish, Greek, Croatian and Hungarian cuisine is amazing too. German is underrated
Thomas Smith
i wonder why
Jonathan Anderson
The state of americucks
Cameron Allen
When will GGG retire?
What will he do after?
Xavier Powell
Is vasyl lomachenko the best boxer ever?
Angel Ross
I think 2018 will be his last year
Dylan Hill
>He was looking completely dominant against everyone until the Cuadras fight he moved up weight class and had past his peak the Cuadras fight was a clear indication that he was on the decline
Lucas Murphy
yes he will be, Joe claims Maywether is the GOAT tho
Christopher Collins
>Even if you think he won both bouts, he didn't do it decisively enough to be above the likes of Rungvisai and Berchelt who had two elite level wins that are undisputed.
Before Gonzalez got heemed in the rematch the prevailing narrative was that he was robbed in the first fight
Chase Sullivan
/box/ is love.
Brayden Brooks
Golobkeen my fren, jew are not next
Isaac Rivera
Wilder ducked everyone who was in shape till he was 30 years old LOL
Sebastian Nelson
...
Carson Hill
Tyson Fury ducked Klitschko by turning into a fat cokehead
Ayden Stewart
This is always such a dumb thing to say lol. You can't duck people before you're even considered an option for the top fighters. Wilder didn't have top level fights viable for him until he was the WBC champion.
Kevin White
this is why he needs to be taken out
Mason Hall
hateful framelet
Jayden Cruz
It'd be nice if he trains other boxers with Abel
Michael Martin
Wilder-Stiverne viewership details are in, it peaked at 824,000, marking it as Showtime's 3rd best viewership this year.
#1 is Broner-Garcia peaking at 937,000 #2 is Broner-Granados peaking 859,000
Joshua-Takam peaked at 361,000. Intriguing comparison since they were both fighting outmatched opponents, but on Showtime Wilder managed to pull nearly 500k more. It's funny how the Brits keep insisting that Wilder is a complete unknown in America. He's big among the African-American community he attracts, it's the same with Adrien Broner.
Against Washington, an actual nobody, Wilder still averaged 1.76 million on FOX, this fight was on at the same time as the bulls vs Cavs game. And that's Wilder's lowest ratings on Cable TV, which is only slightly worse than the average UFC card on FOX this year (And above Demetrious Johnson's average on FOX earlier this year). Against Arreola he averaged 2.54 million viewers, which is about as good as you can do on FOX for combat sports (UFC's best FOX card did just under 3 mil average). Against Duhaupas, Wilder averaged 2.34 million on NBC.
Currently Wilder is a pretty good draw in America. The Lara-Gausha triple header only peaked at 550k a couple weeks ago during the Hurd-Trout fight, so that should tell you something about how much Wilder can draw almost exclusively from his name alone.
Gabriel Williams
also he's from Alabama and people are still coming out in good numbers for him in cities like Brooklyn.
Jaxon Sanchez
whats a bulls cavs?
Jeremiah Miller
poor stiverne.
Ian White
Two popular NBA basketball sports teams
Austin Hall
based charlo twins supporting their boy in the crowd
Aaron Martinez
...
Liam Morris
This is Mike Adriano.
Say something nice about him.
Lincoln Murphy
It only AJ was as confident as his fans maybe we would actually see Wilder vs Joshua
Luke Garcia
wrong thread dummy
Oliver Phillips
>Joshua-Takam peaked at 361,000. Intriguing comparison since they were both fighting outmatched opponents, but on Showtime Wilder managed to pull nearly 500k more.
You can't compare afternoon numbers to evening ones. If anything you should add the afternoon numbers with the ones from Joshua's evening replay to get the full picture, since there probably isn't much overlap (who rewatches a fight they just saw a few hours ago?)
Nathaniel Cook
Same case for Golovkin
Xavier Reed
>If anything you should add the afternoon numbers with the ones from Joshua's evening replay to get the full picture Adding the two broadcasts wouldn't exactly give a fair measurement either. It would add up to 670k if you're curious, but you can't really compare the two numbers at that point because one aired twice, among two different crowds of people, maybe even some rewatches in there as well.
Gabriel Thomas
I disagree, apart from the rewatchers, who I doubt are that numerous, I think you get a more accurate gauge by adding them together. There were about 670k Showtime subscribers who were interested in watching Joshua vs Takam at the earliest opportunity, which is more or less the same as for Wilder vs Stiverne II (it is standard to emphasise averages rather than peaks)
Michael Bailey
It's not as if we can tell if those original 361k people would have actually watched it at night though, which is why I think it's a flawed comparison if you add it up. One fight gets twice the exposure by airing twice.
Jaxon Thomas
Rematch was unnecessary anyway, Fury completely outclassed him
Lucas Russell
unironically quite like his podcast
Levi Price
I'm going to move to toronto a few months, is there a good boxing gym there?
I don't think there are many people who would watch live afternoon shows but not live evening shows, whereas a lot of people who would typically watch a live evening show will be busy during the afternoon. Only hardcore boxing fans bother to watch foreign events at awkward times
Daniel Anderson
There are good gyms in pretty much every big city
Kevin Morales
move to montreal instead
Blake Lewis
Klitschko would have beaten him. He was more motivated to regain his titles
Connor Howard
Klit would have beaten that overweight slow AJ that beat Takam as well, he would have sparked him out mid rounds.
Grayson Adams
Jarrel Miller has signed with Eddie Hearn is this another way of keeping him away from AJ like he did with Ortiz?
Jason Morris
what are you doing there
Blake Cook
Either that, or to get Wilder a fight before AJ
Thomas Perry
Immaculate technique.
Jose Hernandez
"I'll eat him"
Ayden White
>39-0 >fought nothing but cans What did Wilder mean by this?
Jackson Price
i just want the joshua wilder fight so one set of nuthuggers gets btfo so hard they have to leave, dont even care which side
Evan Lewis
He binned Ortiz off after 2 fights because he was shit. Miller having a co-promotion agreement with Eddie moves him closer to Joshua, Miller will probably be the back up plan for the spring fight
Ryan Wright
Stiverne was considered a top 3 Heavyweight when Wilder beat him. Fuck off.
Dominic Jenkins
He wasn't top 3. Fury, Klitschko, Pulev, Povetkin, Jennings, Ortiz would have all beat Stiverne easily >muh ring magazine fantasy ratings
Isaiah Reyes
You faggots suck off TBRB at every opportunity you get, he was rated #3 there too. Boxrec had him #5 as well. I don't know what ESPN's ratings were at the time, but he was probably top 3 there too.
>B-b-but my opinions matter more than experts in the sport for multiple decades!
Kek. It's easy to look back in retrospect and rate him lower, but at the time it seemed like he could beat guys like Jennings (Only reason he's rated highly is because an over-the-hill Wlad had trouble with him) and Pulev.
Ayden Parker
Punished Wlad would have put Fury on the canvas, and deep down Fury knew it.
Henry Watson
This. While Fury was stuffing burgers down his mouth, Klitschko was in training camp more determined than ever reclaim his throne.
Camden Sanchez
1000 times this
Daniel Gonzalez
I'm still fairly new to the sport and I'm watching Roy Jones Jr since I've always liked him but can someone please explain wtf happened in Jones Jr Vs calzaghe? I thought it was maybe his age but they're both within 3 years of each other. He just stands on the ropes the entire fight and allows himself to be unloaded on and bullied, even having calzaghe taunt him the entire fight
Nathaniel Ward
well people shouldn't forget that many of roys opponents were complete nobodies and calzaghe is definitely not a nobody
Joseph Watson
Roy Jones was good in the 90's, he added a heavyweight title in 2003 against a shit champion which added to his mythology. He was done when he fought Calzaghe and Calzaghe was a good boxer who punched in high volume, he couldn't keep up
