Islam: really evil?

Can someone legitimately explain why Islam is "evil". Christianity also has a lot of violence in their holy book so you cant use that as an excuse to hate Islam.

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bump. i need some answers.

anyone? i thought so. also check those dubs.

k.

I'm agnostic
but I know that Mohammed was a pedophile and Islam is based on religious conquest while Christians and Jesus are somewhat of the opposite.
If you want to defend your religion don't deflect the blame onto another. That's all.

>explaining morality without an objective instance (God)
There is no point in arguing good or bad religion. Only true or false.

islam is the only religion that hasnt evolved out of that. also instead of just having some violent things, its based around the violent things.

Did you really just smugly declare "I thought so" after waiting a whole three minutes?

Wew, fag.

Well so far there have not been any good arguments.

How many Muslims have killed in the name of Islam yesterday?

Christianity had time to mellow down. Things like Inquisition and so on were bad and nobody denies it. Thing is, things like that happened how long ago? If you say "Christianity is just as bad so you have no ground to blame" anyone can say "it WAS centuries ago, if the just-as-bad things happen again, you're entitled to free told-you-so".

Here we go~
Here we go again~

>Quran (2:191-193) - "And kill them wherever you find them, and turn them out from where they have turned you out. And Al-Fitnah [disbelief or unrest] is worse than killing...
but if they desist, then lo! Allah is forgiving and merciful. And fight them until there is no more Fitnah [disbelief and worshipping of others along with Allah] and worship is for Allah alone. But if they cease, let there be no transgression except against Az-Zalimun(the polytheists, and wrong-doers, etc.)"

>Quran (2:216) - "Fighting is prescribed for you, and ye dislike it. But it is possible that ye dislike a thing which is good for you, and that ye love a thing which is bad for you. But Allah knoweth, and ye know not."

>Quran (4:89) - "They but wish that ye should reject Faith, as they do, and thus be on the same footing (as they): But take not friends from their ranks until they flee in the way of Allah (From what is forbidden). But if they turn renegades, seize them and slay them wherever ye find them; and (in any case) take no friends or helpers from their ranks."

>Quran (5:33) - "The punishment of those who wage war against Allah and His messenger and strive to make mischief in the land is only this, that they should be murdered or crucified or their hands and their feet should be cut off on opposite sides or they should be imprisoned; this shall be as a disgrace for them in this world, and in the hereafter they shall have a grievous chastisement"

>Quran (3:56) - "As to those who reject faith, I will punish them with terrible agony in this world and in the Hereafter, nor will they have anyone to help."

>Quran (3:151) - "Soon shall We cast terror into the hearts of the Unbelievers, for that they joined companions with Allah, for which He had sent no authority".

>Quran (4:74) - "Let those fight in the way of Allah who sell the life of this world for the other. Whoso fighteth in the way of Allah, be he slain or be he victorious, on him We shall bestow a vast reward."

>Quran (4:95) - "Not equal are those of the believers who sit (at home), except those who are disabled (by injury or are blind or lame, etc.), and those who strive hard and fight in the Cause of Allah with their wealth and their lives. Allah has preferred in grades those who strive hard and fight with their wealth and their lives above those who sit (at home).Unto each, Allah has promised good (Paradise), but Allah has preferred those who strive hard and fight, above those who sit (at home) by a huge reward "

Terrorism is a manifestation of Eastern nationalism, They're resisting a foreign invader and fighting back in any way they can. It has very little to do with religion. that's just icing.

Religion's not a major factor in Geo-politics.

>uses quotes about war to show how violent islam is

That's in specific reference to certain battles, the Bible has similar stuff in it. it's not to be applied generally. Muslims aern't allowed to kill Christians just for being part of a different religion, they're not even allowed to destroy churches.

>Muslims aern't allowed to kill Christians just for being part of a different religion
Not only can they, they're told to. Unless christians submit to being slaves that have to pay a heavy tax.

here you go OP

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Yeah, cutting off heads, stoning women to death for minor offences, telling people what to wear, systemic pedophila, suicide missions, parading through the street while whipping yourself bloody, and generally praying on non-believers. What's so evil about that?

Inquisition was necessary in Spain to weed out the crypto-Jews and Muslims.

>Fighting is prescribed for you
>Al-Fitnah [disbelief or unrest] is worse than killing
^^^ being a non-believer is *WORSE* than war to a Muslim - they're literally commanded to sperg across the land until either they're dead themselves or else there are no unbelievers who haven't submitted to Islam left.
>if they turn renegades, seize them and slay them wherever ye find them; and (in any case) take no friends or helpers from their ranks

Stop spreading misinformation, Christians and Jews were at the mercy of Muslims in the Middle east for over 1000 years but they're still around. Compare that to Christianity and Pagans.

Jizya is only 5% of your total income and it's forgiven If you make less than a set amount of money. It's better than modern day taxes tbqh

>That's in specific reference to certain battles
No it isn't. Read them in their context - I have~

Also
>Bible
"Love your enemy and pray for those who persecute you.” ( Mt 5.44 , Lu 6.27 , Lu 6.3 ) “Do not use force against an evil man.” ( Mt 5.39 ) “Do not resist evil with evil.” “Forgive and you will be forgiven.” (Lu 6.37 ) “Do not be anxious about your life.”( Lu 12.22 ) “He who lives by the sword will perish by the sword.”
( Mat 26.52 ) “In everything do to others as you would have them do to you.” (Mat 7.12 )

The difference is that Christians don't believe the Bible to be the word of God, but rather a series of books written by different men. Therefore Christians only have to follow the word of Christ.
In Islam the Quran is the word of God and any personal interpretation of the passages are sin. Muslims must follow the teachings of the Quran literally.
Things like Sharia Law, murder of infidels, lying in the name of their God. Things that would generally be considered evil.
So there you have it Christianity is not nearly as evil as Islam and yes I can use that as an excuse to hate Islam. Though there are plenty of better excuses to hate that backwards and regressive ideology.

>misinformation
Quran (2:191-193)
Quran (4:89)
Quran (5:33)

So you admit that they either had to pay the jizya and become second class citizens or die?

I rest my case.

As for how christianity survived? Little thing called the crusades.

The difference is Christianity was violent because of corrupt idiots, Islam is violent because that is literally what their holy book mandates.

So youre comparing a violent religion to violent people.

>this kike sky daddy fairy tale is violent so this goat fucker fairy tale can't be hated

why not both?

Another thing: islamists often rag on about how they're not allowed to kill "innocents".

Non-muslims aren't innocent to them.

Man, I wonder if it's my obsession with anime but these anime islam pictures make me take a liking to the religion. I fully understand the absurdity to my claim but it doesn't make it any less true

It's evil because I never get gets.

pretty sure sections of the bible expressly condone the fucking of your own children.

i believe at their core, no faith is evil or intolerant, people are just dumb proud faggots and if you give them long enough they'll turn the most pure thing into absolute degeneracy.

Islam was created to unite the arab people's against the Christian Byzantines
It was literally made to raise an army against Christianity

>Christians did shit centuries ago therefore Muslims are peaceful

Shit argument. I know it's the standard textbook excuse by both liberals and Muslims but it's still a shit argument.

It's not the death penalty though Chaim, if it were your shifty ancestors would've all been executed.

>As for how christianity survived? Little thing called the crusades.

You didn't answer my question though, What about the Christians and kikes in the Middle East that were at their mercy for over 1000 years ?

Easy. Let me say first that I am not pro-Christianity, I'm an atheist.

First off, you have to understand the history of Islam in order to understand ISIS. Islam was founded in the 7th century by Muhammad, a man who by all accounts (keep in mind these are ISLAMIC accounts of his life), was a murderer, a rapist, a torturer, a looter, a slaver and a warmonger.

Muhammad had 12 wives, one of them a mere 6 year old toddler, but that's not all. He routinely abused his wives, and in addition to them he had his own personal harem of sexual slaves to pleasure himself with.

Muhammad ordered beheadings, many of them personally. He ordered men tortured, the most famous example being Kenana ibn al-Rabi, whom muhammad ordered be burned alive by fire on his chest to reveal where he his his "treasures."

Muhammad ordered the massacre of the innocent Banu Qurayza tribe, whom he executed all the men and put the women and children into slavery for his followers (keep in mind that Muhammad had a very large hard-on for slavery and treated his prisoners very poorly).

It's not hard to understand why Muhammad acted this way though. He was a barbarian, who grew up in a region that at the time was completely tribal, in a harsh desert environment where survival was difficult. This made the Arabians that lived there very primitive and brutal people.

I could go on, but let me contrast that to Jesus Christ, who Christianity as a whole is based on. He was not a violent man, he sought peace and forgiveness to those that wronged him, even his own executioners. He didn't order his followers to fight, he taught them to love thy neighbor, and respect one another, even your enemies.

By all accounts, Jesus was not a warmonger, or an advocate of slavery, torture and brutality. Now, there have been brutal and intolerant Christians throughout the years, but arguably you can make the assertions that they were not Christ-like and thus would be sent to hell for their sins.

>pretty sure sections of the bible expressly condone the fucking of your own children.

You mean Lot's daughters? The ones who got him drunk and raped him?

That'[s not "condoned". Especially seeing as there's a theory that it was written to slander the sodomites.

What did Moshe do when he arrived in Edom Shlomo ?

Is your Talmud any better ?

Are you an apologist?

The book clearly advocates death to homosexuals and I don't think there's any way around that one.

Christians are bound by a New Testament, and not the Old one. In which *THESE* are Christian operating commandments, violent-goat-fucker-chan~

>"Love your enemy and pray for those who persecute you.” ( Mt 5.44 , Lu 6.27 , Lu 6.3 ) “Do not use force against an evil man.” ( Mt 5.39 ) “Do not resist evil with evil.” “Forgive and you will be forgiven.” (Lu 6.37 ) “Do not be anxious about your life.”( Lu 12.22 ) “He who lives by the sword will perish by the sword.”
( Mat 26.52 ) “In everything do to others as you would have them do to you.” (Mat 7.12 )

Islam is evil because of deez dubs

But the christians and the kikes weren't at their mercy for thousands of years. Islam itself is not older than christianity, and arose out of christianity.

The difference being that christians worship Jesus, whereas muslims worship Mohammad.

Guess which one advocated for rape and pillaging? It wasn't Jesus.

I don't give 2 shits what's in the books, muslims are CURRENTLY fucking violent shitskins and should be purged.

One would shoot me up if I draw his/her prophet.

“For truly, I say to you, till heaven and earth pass away, not an iota, not a dot, will pass the law until all is accomplished. Whoever then relaxes one of the least of these commandments and teaches men so, shall be called least in the kingdom of heaven; but he who does them and teaches them shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.” (Matthew 5:18-19 RSV) Clearly the Old Testament is to be obeyed until the end of human existence itself. None other then Jesus said so.


it's cute how your holy book can play rock-paper-scissors with itself.

>Christianity
>following Old Testament

rot in hell sandkike

Except those words have not passed - they're still written in the Bible. Black and white, clear as crystal~
We're bound by the New Testament, and you know it senpai~

It's very easy Goyim:
All societal structures (and hereby religions) MUST develop the ability and willingness to make war and use violence.
>Simply a matter of survival
But most of them don't make war and conquest their GOAL
When Mohammad thought up Islam he was basically making Judaism on 'Psycho' (drug from fallout-Sup Forumsideogame)
The idea was making a world which is united under one banner and that requires alot of violence, so Islam was made with that thought in mind.
Now the Goyim would say: Does that mean all muslims are predisposed to violence more than other religions?
>well NO
But it does mean that it's easier for leaders of violent desposition to push an uneducated population towards violent acts on the basis of "Muh Jihad".

Death to homosexuals is good. No I'm not but turning off your brain when conenient is the worst trait Sup Forums has. Like suddenly all the Trumpcucks are anti-trade

Good try Ahmed

Dubs say islam is evil

Muslims are barbarians today, and their idea of an argument is to allege that others were barbaric centuries ago.

Christianity predates Islam by 600+ years yet it's much more benign in comparison. Leftists bring up all the fucked up shit in the Old Testament, but those retards don't realize that Christians only follow the laws written in the New Testament.
I thinks barbaric and bullshit, but if you disagree don't be like pic-related.

Wew lad, we're talking about Islam. Saying the Bible is the same is called a fallacy.

After reading the Quran I conclude that the theology itself is quite beautiful. However after reading the life of Muhamed (piss be upon him), political Islam is nothing short of a means of conquest, warfare, subjugation, rape, pillage and oppression masquerading as a blueprint for a 'perfect civilization'.

The problem with Islam is that they have not progressed, unlike Judaism and Christianity, there have been no reforms,, and anyone who preaches the need to reform is frankly beheaded by the real followers of 'the religion of peace'. They genuinely believe that they have instructions given by God and their destiny is to conquer the world.

Is Islam evil? No. Not in the sense that we might normally say that something is evil. But is Islam flawed? Yes, heavily flawed in terms of how it manifests its medieval political doctrine even in the modern world.

Sharia law is barbaric in the context of modern western values.

May I direct you to Matthew 5:17?

That's not how these pics work.

Death penalty for apostasy. Among others, but that one is an outstanding example.

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Enjoy your stay.

I need no excuse to purge the sand niggers and Jews from the Earth. By God's will, it shall be done.

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t. muhammad ibrahimstein

Islam is a new religion and unlike Christianity and others, it hasnt gone through reforms. And Muslims consider Quran to Perfect and believe every word in it is true

Listen to this based Czech youtube.com/watch?v=TnL3JWnhG6U

>German flag defending Islam

You're not fooling anyone

Thats exactly where your fucked up religion fails.

>no rules apply
>because jesus forgave me
>i can be a 100% degen
>then say i love jesus
>all is better magically

the fact that christianity is the sole religion on earth that says actions do not determine punishment but you vote for jesus does, makes your religion the most evil one on the planet.

the weird thing about the pic if you think about it is if they didnt undergo the islamic revolution, they would be called cucks.

it looks like a catch 22

"Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them."
I don't get your point.

i mean, if they continued with being western, they would soon become cucks

Because islam praises Muhammed, a by all accounts horribly immoral man, as the supreme example that everyone should follow. The christian counterpoint is Jesus who almost anyone would consider a moral fellow. Christianity is also by tradition largely changable. Much of the bible, apart from the core message of Jesus, can be ignored or reinterpreted. Islam on the other hand is by design unchangable. You can't have it without sharia or jihad and so on .In short: christianity can be modeled to work within western democratic society, islam cannot.

t. fedora.

>no rules apply
Stribbidy-strawman~

>"Love your enemy and pray for those who persecute you.” ( Mt 5.44 , Lu 6.27 , Lu 6.3 ) “Do not use force against an evil man.” ( Mt 5.39 ) “Do not resist evil with evil.” “Forgive and you will be forgiven.” (Lu 6.37 ) “Do not be anxious about your life.”( Lu 12.22 ) “He who lives by the sword will perish by the sword.”
>( Mat 26.52 ) “In everything do to others as you would have them do to you.” (Mat 7.12 )

to be*

you need to go back, achmed

Wrong, muslims have been committing Jihad since it's very inception. Almost ceaselessly.

Iran is still a pretty good country overall, and will proobobly becom,e more liberal overtime. Shia Islam is fairly mellow compared to contemporary Sunni Muslims.

Ibadi Muslims I can't say too much about, but they stay to themselves in Oman, so whatever.

Everything I've read about that is that Jesus's sacrifice lead to the fulfillment of the OT laws, hence Christians not having to follow them, (especially the ceremonial laws) but use them as guidance.

What about the fact that the penalty for apostasy is DEATH?

>tfw convert or die is not really good for PR
>tfw punishment for apostasy is death
>tfw islam only means peace in relation to it meaning submission (submit and you won't be killed)

>child-molester and murder believes in jesus
>goes to heaven

sorry faggot

when you cult says your a good person only by faith, and not how you treat other people, then your cult is morally bankrupt.

Holy shit this is literally me, although it was /news/ way back then.

Be me in 2009
>Vote Lib Dem
>Antifa are fighting the good fight
>Racism is the most evil thing in the world
>Socialism and the EU are the future
>Diversity! Equality! Tolerance!

Be me in 2016
>Can only bring myself to vote UKIP, but they are too moderate
>Read Evola
>Watch Mosley's speeches constantly
>Seriously calling the holocaust into question
>Desperately hope Trump wins
>Believe that nationalism/fascism is the only hope for Europe

For judgment is without mercy to one who has shown no mercy. Mercy triumphs over judgment.

So then each of us will give an account of himself to God. Therefore let us not pass judgment on one another any longer, but rather decide never to put a stumbling block or hindrance in the way of a brother.

For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ, so that each one may receive what is due for what he has done in the body, whether good or evil.

You are not unjudged just because you are forgiven.

Islam is basically where Christianity was during the Middle Ages. It perceives itself as the universally true religion and there is no separation of church and state in countries where it is practiced, nor is there any tolerance or acceptance of other religious beliefs. Western cultures, and even zealously religious Christians in Western cultures, have largely embraced the idea that an individual human has the right to believe in and practice whatever religion they like, and that the secular government should remain fundamentally neutral to all religions and not force the doctrines of one religion or oppress the doctrines of others.

This idea becomes problematic when dealing with Islam, because while our culture believes in religious tolerance and freedom and would thus be naturally inclined to grant such tolerance to Muslims, Muslims themselves do not share this view of the world. Muslims do not wish to integrate with Western societies and practice their religion quietly in peace while doing business and exchanging ideas with other cultures and religions. They wish to move into Western countries, establish Muslim communities in which their religious teachings are held to be law, and expand this culture, by force if necessary, until the entire world submits to Islam.

In short, the debate over Islam is not about whether the religion itself is good or evil, it is about the simple fact that Muslim cultures view the world and their religion's role within the world differently than Western cultures do, and the two cultures are fundamentally incompatible.

>what is the House of Islam
>what is the House of War
>why is everything not under the Caliphate called the House of War
>implying the Islamic doctrine doesn't tell its followers they're at constant war.

fucking mudblood, nice taqiya

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>So then each of us will give an account of himself to God.

No . You need to give account to your neighbors, real flesh and blood people.

Not imaginary sky demon.

This is why your cult is cancer.

>I fucked over my neighbor
>But its OK
>My hallucination forgives me.

Every other fucking religion at least has a rule that if you hurt others you get punished.

Your "mercy" isnt merciful and it isnt good, its sick and depraved.

It says to people:

>do whatever you want
>as long as your on the team
>no accountability

We are still supposed to follow the Moral laws set fourth in the Old Testament though. Just not the ritual ones post Jesus. He died for all of us you know.

>t.Lutheran

>give account to your neighbors
You mean the neighbors these verses tell me how to conduct myself toward?

>>"Love your enemy and pray for those who persecute you.” ( Mt 5.44 , Lu 6.27 , Lu 6.3 ) “Do not use force against an evil man.” ( Mt 5.39 ) “Do not resist evil with evil.” “Forgive and you will be forgiven.” (Lu 6.37 ) “Do not be anxious about your life.”( Lu 12.22 ) “He who lives by the sword will perish by the sword.”
>( Mat 26.52 ) “In everything do to others as you would have them do to you.” (Mat 7.12 )

Those neighbors?

Alternatively this has given the advantage of Christianity being a very flexible religion so that crime and punishment and how society conducts itself can be under discussion and revision, rather then being out of discussion because the book says it.

Most violence in the bible is located in the torah (genesis through deuteronomy), which is the foundational work of all three abrahamic religions. While Christianinty is admittedly more steadfast in regarding these books as more relevant, what makes Islam distinct are the things that Muhammad himself had said.

While Jesus preached passivity (who is without sin cast the first stone, turn the other cheek, jnto ceaser what is ceaser), Muhammad established codes of punishment involving appropriate forms of mutilation based on the act committed. Two of the Surahs (8 & 9) discuss when it is appropriate to declare battle on heathens and pagans, and how to divide the spoils of war.

The reality of the situation is that Islam's "peace" only applies to muslims (christians and jews too to a lesser extent). Too much of the quran is dedicated to justifying violence against pagans and heathens to be properly reconciled.

Nice fucking slogans

how do those slogans parse with this one

>"I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me.
John 14:6

What that tells me, and anyone with critical thinking skills, is that all these:
>>"Love your enemy and pray for those who persecute you.” ( Mt 5.44 , Lu 6.27 , Lu 6.3 ) “Do not use force against an evil man.” ( Mt 5.39 ) “Do not resist evil with evil.” “Forgive and you will be forgiven.” (Lu 6.37 ) “Do not be anxious about your life.”( Lu 12.22 ) “He who lives by the sword will perish by the sword.”
>( Mat 26.52 ) “In everything do to others as you would have them do to you.” (Mat 7.12 )


Are irrelevant , if you don't believe in christ.

so you books actually says:
You are allowed to hate your enemy.
You are allowed to use force
You are able to resit with evil
You are able to treat people poorly

As long as you belive in Jesus.

Automatic get out of hell free card.

Morally disgusting.

>The judge cant punish me because we're freinds
>lol so pure and righteous

and camel piss, dont forget camel piss

Muhamed preached that drinking the piss of a camel is a very healing thing to do.

No joke. Maybe in desert climates it might be lifesaving in survival situations.

But it's still funny.

>The ambassador answered us that [the right] was founded on the Laws of the Prophet, that it was written in their Koran, that all nations who should not have answered their authority were sinners, that it was their right and duty to make war upon them wherever they could be found, and to make slaves of all they could take as prisoners, and that every Mussulman who should be slain in battle was sure to go to Paradise.

>literal commands of God
>slogans
l e l

In no world are the commandments of the Creator of that world irrelevant - you can not believe the Truth; the Truth will still be the Truth, and you'll just be *wrong*.

Your retributive angst is really fucking funny.

>In no world are the commandments of the Creator of that world irrelevant

Actually in REAL WORLD, your bronze age desert fables written by ignorant barbarians are irrelevant.

Your fairy tale book is just a truthful as Mother Goose.

No wonder cults attract the deluded and mentally ill.

Romans 2:12-16

12 For all who have sinned without the Law will also perish without the Law, and all who have sinned under the Law will be judged by the Law;
13 for it is not the hearers of the Law who are just before God, but the doers of the Law will be justified.
14 For when Gentiles who do not have the Law do instinctively the things of the Law, these, not having the Law, are a law to themselves,
15 in that they show the work of the Law written in their hearts, their conscience bearing witness and their thoughts alternately accusing or else defending them,
16 on the day when, according to my gospel, God will judge the secrets of men through Christ Jesus.

>That artstyle

I finally see it

>Actually in REAL WORLD, your bronze age desert fables written by ignorant barbarians are irrelevant
>laughinganimegirls.png

Oh dear.

I'll be right back, I've got to uh...
Uh

I've got to go masturbate. Yeah, that's it. I'll be right back.

David Wood does pretty good exposes regarding Islam. The amount of hate he gets from Muslims should tell you enough.


youtube.com/watch?v=n5Nu6EabQD8

youtube.com/watch?v=TSVYXNU8I00

youtube.com/watch?v=ho36nykNdZc

youtube.com/watch?v=870YEf10QYk

You are shitting me... right?

>majority of those "christians"
>never read there bible

your religion is based on lying to people about your book and keeping people ignorant

your a shill for a fraud

they dont read it because anyone with an ounce of education knows that talking snakes and creationism is for retarded people and children.

Which is why you brainwash children into your lies because they dont have the capcity for rational thinking.

Yep keep posting stats about christians in name only and the fact you live in a country were everything else that matters in life has nothing to do with christianity.

Look at how you lose in court, and schools and science, and the media, and everywhere. lol

a religion for losers

What do I "lie" about senpai? Wanna quote me?

Naw piss is salty and will kill you if your drinking it to get water