Starship Troopers

>Small-caliber weapons
>Body armor protecting the head and center mass, while leaving extremities exposed
>Training focused on fighting human opponents in built-up environments
They certainly weren't training to fight the bugs. Who did the MI think they were going to be fighting?

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>They certainly weren't training to fight the bugs
No shit. Their gear wasn't fabricated on the spot to fight an alien threat that resided on the other side of the galaxy.

>an alien threat that resided on the other side of the galaxy.
An alien threat that humanity had encountered long enough ago and had enough of a history with that there were multiple specimens in captivity, and an entire human colony getting blitzed isn't treated as an extraordinary occurrence.

>An alien threat that humanity had encountered long enough ago and had enough of a history with that there were multiple specimens in captivity
Think of them as space wildlife. You wouldn't fuck around with lions and the like. You wouldn't train an army to combat them either. At best they would've put up defense outposts to keep them at bay.
>an entire human colony getting blitzed isn't treated as an extraordinary occurrence
Buenos Aires wasn't a colony. It was also the first time the bugs launched an attack of that scale on them.

Other people. "The enemy cannot push a button if you disable his hand"

>Think of them as space wildlife. You wouldn't fuck around with lions and the like.
The way the blind professor talked about them in the dissection seemed to indicate there's at least some understanding that they're above mere animals, at least outside the MI.
>Buenos Aires wasn't a colony.
I meant Port Joe Smith, the Mormon colony. It looked to have at least several dozen to >100 people living there, and it got about the same gravity as a criminal trial.

there fucking Mormons. of course no ones gonna care

I figured it would probably be humans, but who? The Federation is the only government on Earth. Is there a rebellion on Earth? Are there human planets outside of Fed control?

>the first time the bugs launched an attack
>Bugs
>Responsible

t.Federation Shill

How do you think the federation came into power? They are probably carpet bombing muslim desert planets while fighting the war with the bugs.

The society was very fascist and world spanning. Gonna need some body armor to do that.

>I meant Port Joe Smith, the Mormon colony
Wasn't that after the meteor strike though?

Bugcucks get out

Nah, it got covered during the "Citizen rule" propaganda segment, before the strike.

Why are there suddenly nightly threads about this shit movie?

>utopian society
>there's black people in it

Doesn't sound like you're doing your part, civilian.

>Utopian society
>Everyone's not a pleasing shade of mocha

They just needed a conflict/scapegoat to keep the public from noticing the real issues within their society

gotta start recruiting now while its still easy.

Guess it was satire on the value of Mormons, or human life in general.
>Sir, the bugs just wiped out a human colony. Less than a hundred people and they were all Mormons though
>World continues as they were

I guess you could say the solution to the smoldering rebellion...

Fell out of the sky.

What were the real issues?

>Federation tries to set up an excuse to go to war by destroying the Roger Young with an asteroid
>Hot shot pilots avoid it
>Federation launches another asteroid at civilian population that can't avoid it
Why is Carmen such a shit waifu?

Off the top of my head is the discontent of the masses being under the thumb of a Global Militocracy.

>Who did the MI think they were going to be fighting?
maybe because the movie is nothing like the book

Carmen did Buenos Aires.

One of the satirical elements of the movie is how inadequately trained/equipped they are

The movie is a direct parody of the book, which the director despised and couldn't finish. As a result the well-trained, well-equipped, tactically skillfull army of the book is replaced with a bunch of idiots zerg rushing and dying in hilarious ways

The fact in order to vote/have kids/ hold public office you need to go get yourself killed fighting monstrous bugs. That leads to the entire voting class being shipped off to die/be maimed and brainwashed. In order to have any effect on society you have to basically sign up for suicide. This lets the top military people control Earth unchecked.

Considering Verhoeven came within maybe 20-30 feet of being executed by the Nazis as a reprisal for a guerrilla attack in the occupied Netherlands, I'm not surprised he wasn't super psyched about a book where an authoritarian, execution-happy military state is the cure to all the world's ills.

checkd
Carmen is still best waifu, Dizzy is an ugly turkeyneck.

So why didnt their fleet bother evading the oncoming energy blasts coming from the planet again?

Everyone looked pretty happy to me. Verhoeven even said he wanted the society to be perfect. Where was the discontent?

That's an issue for you, not for anyone in the film. In their world, that was not a problem.

fleet formations.

brain bugs sucked out brains.

Never forget.

He intentionally cast very attractive, vapid actors to convey how hollow the happiness of the Federation was. We don't even see what the world is like outside of Buenos Aires, the training camp, and a conference hall in Geneva.

Put your hand on that wall Private!
PUT YOUR HAND ON THAT WALL!

They were conditioned at this point. Chances are the first opposition was rebels, and with them thoroughly stomped out the Federation needed a new enemy. They invaded bug territory, which had zero resources or strategic value, and made poor commands on purpose to make the bug threat more serious than it actually was

>That's an issue for you, not for anyone in the film. In their world, that was not a problem.

Because they are all brainwashed? The fact a bunch of vapid airheads don't realize the inherent problems in their society doesn't mean it's not obvious to the audience. It was clearly a problem anyway since no-one ever questioned the war or it's justification.

You shut your whore mouth.

Diz was a little clingy but she was hot af, had a rad set of titties, and most importantly, she was down to kill some fuckin' bugs.

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I'll take Diz from the book ;^)

>"Sir, we're taking heavy casualties!"
>"DONT BREAK FORMATION!"

Imperial Guard vs Federation Soldiers

Who wins?

Also, were some species of the bugs bred specifically for war? I don't think that a Brain Bug or the artillery bugs would be that beneficial in the wild.

IG wins.

The Federation soldiers have nothing but relatively wear armor and ballistic weapons (unless we're including the sequels, in which case they have some walkers), whereas the Astra Militarum has shittons of lasguns and tanks and Valkyries and all sorts of goofy shit.

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>300,000 blanks

However saying that, the Federation has more soldiers that believe in their cause. Some IG are forced to believe via terror, which could lower overall moral if important figures die in battle.

The bugs were colonizing the galaxy, so were humans. It was two expansionist species fighting for their existence.

good enough for the imperial guard good enough for mobile infantry

Are you rated to repair the M3 Tactical helmet OP?

>The bugs were colonizing the galaxy

Two shitty desert wasteland planets on the other side of the galaxy are just so valuable to humans right?

>The bugs were colonizing the galaxy
t. Federation shill

don't ask so many questions

childhood is waifuing carmen, adulthood is realizing diz was best girl

There was a "Arachnid Quarantine Zone" which seems to imply an infection. It's also revealed that the bugs took zegema beach, which means they were expanding into human territory.

I just always assumed the MI was around to quell uprisings from rebel groups on distant colonies.

>all these armchair sociologists regurgitating red letter media shit

The only civilizations that survive are the ones that believe in protecting their state via war. placid societies get run over by war mongering societies

even today we are witnessing the west falling to war mongering islam despite having enormous technological and intellectual advantages

You go to war with the army you have,you fucking simpleton

it's a parody that didn't even attempt to understand the source material

i like verhoeven but this is the most shit form of satire. the only reason the movie is even watchable is because he directed it

are we talking book MI or movie MI

movie MI get slaughtered

book MI flatten the IG with atomic RPGs, and could probably be a credible threat to space marines, at least until the local inquisitor decides to exterminatus the planet they're fighting on

>even today we are witnessing the west falling to war mongering islam despite having enormous technological and intellectual advantages

>He thinks the West is falling because his girlfriend left him for an immigrant

No, but I also didn't design it with an open face so it wouldn't have saved that guy anyway.

All which you mentioned could just be propaganda. That's the problem with analyzing the movie is the irony/satire is so deep it's hard to tell whats "canon" to the story and whats made up by the Federation to justify an extended conflict.

It always felt to me like Oceania or Putin's Russia. There's propaganda, and it's obviously propaganda, but there's so damn much of it it's hard to tell what's real.

Buenos Aires was an inside job.
They could have easily destroyed the asteroid but they didn't do it. So now, they could control more citizens due to using the bugs as an excuse.
They have a huge fucking orbital moon base ffs. You telling me that can't shoot down an asteroid?

The Forever War is a better book anyway.

You have no idea how glad I am that Hollywood hacks have never fucking ruined it, and hopefully never will.

>Buenos Aires was an inside job.
Felt more like a freak accident than an intentional attack
>They have a huge fucking orbital moon base ffs. You telling me that can't shoot down an asteroid?
I thought the statement that lunar defenses were "better than ever" implied that the base had recently been created/expanded in response to the meteorite

RLM did a video so all the numales from /ppl/ decided to watch ST

really makes your head explode.

>Felt more like a freak accident
It wasn't.
The bugs didn't send the asteroid.

At least you get to keep your book safe.

(((They))) are going to ruin this book.

>taking a satirical parody movie for kids serious

>for kids

It's in pre-production right now.

Exactly. That was why I think the movie went over so many people's heads when it came out, or even afterwards. Robocop is pretty easy to see the obvious satirical elements but Starship Troopers takes it to another level.

Yeah and wasn't there an All Quiet On The Western Front remake remake that died that way too? Could go either way at this point. Once I start seeing actual images from it we'll see.

There's nothing in the film that supports that.

we can agree that dizzy is best girl right?

let the moviefags wank about how smart their "brilliant satire" is m8

Fuck off, kike

Except the fact the bugs are on the opposite side of the galaxy and have no means of propelling an asteroid to Earth, not to mention the Lunar Defense system specifically meant to shoot down stray asteroids. Pay attention next time

I'M FROM BUENOS AIRES

Beautiful.

>RLM review a movie
>All of a sudden tons of shitpost threads about the movie
>Most of the criticism is Plinkett style bullshit nitpicking because their fanboys can't actually analyse movies

Really gets the noggin joggin'

Then how come the bugs know that the federation was coming and they were shooting into space with accuracy?
The plasma bugs knew where to hit.

I feel like people underestimate the bugs, especially the one with brains.

>bugs literally have no way to propel an asteroid from the other side of the galaxy to Earth
>bugs inhabit two wasteland planets int he ass end of the galaxy
>Moon has a base specifically for shooting down asteroids, but this one conveniently got through
>the militocracy would definitely have nothing to gain from a war
>There's nothing in the film that supports that.

the bugs were already on other planets, why couldn't they? sci-fi writers are retarded when it comes to scale, bruv

>have no means of propelling an asteroid to Earth

And this is in the film? Because in the film we see them launching shit into space with accuracy.

>Lunar Defense system specifically meant to shoot down stray asteroids. Pay attention next time

The lunar defense system that the captain says they specifically need to warn about the asteroid, but can't.

i wish they had the power armor from the book

They actually do get it in the third movie.

the lunar base is in the opening news section, which is after the attack since they're invading klendathu at that point

They spread to other planets via spores, and there's literally a galaxy of difference between firing spores into space so they hit a planet and propelling an asteroid of that size in such a way, at such speed, that it crosses the galaxy and nails a planet on the far side, at slower than light speeds.

Imagine trying to hit a piece of paper held lengthwise, on the moon, from Earth, using a handgun with the sights filed off.

>moon might be on the other side of the earth when asteroid is going to hit
>ship that spotted it can't warn moon to fire a few shots to intercept before it goes behind earth

if the bugs can do it with spores, why can't they do it with rocks? we've already established they aren't stupid

Nothing in the film suggests it was an inside job. In fact, the film even gives the bugs an out by saying they were provoked into doing it human intrusion.

>we've already established they aren't stupid

Have we? Consider the fact the bugs don't suck out a single human brain til the outpost attack. At least none we see. The bugs could just be acting on instinct until the brain bug realizes what the humans plans.

Even if they could predict where Earth was and fire an asteroid with such precision, how could they know nothing would hit it on the way, which is statistically nigh inevitable?

And when we see the meteor, it's clearly going at very sub-light speeds, meaning it would take millennia if not eons to cross the galaxy.

It wasn't a bug attack, it wasn't a Federation false flag. It was exactly like every other asteroid strike in history: bad luck.

Do you not understand the absolute impossibility of launching an asteroid from the OTHER SIDE of the galaxy to hit Earth?
The bugs spread to NEARBY planets via spores.
>b-b-b-b-but spores and rocks are LITERALLY the same!
lmaoing at your life