How long until the Karelians gain independence from Russia and gain ownership over all that northern land?
How long until the Karelians gain independence from Russia and gain ownership over all that northern land?
Juan Cook
Nathaniel Jones
They are gone man. There's dozens of times more Ukrainians in Karelian republic than Karelians.
Isaac Morgan
Elijah Howard
This. They are conquered peoples.
Benjamin Sanders
Never.
Oliver Stewart
Finns were conquered for most of their history
Joseph Sullivan
How long until Finland takes over?
Josiah Garcia
Its fucking sad.
Landon Fisher
So were Norwegians
Juan Torres
They had a kingdom that lasted 525 years and were occupied for 508 years, so no.
Mason Reyes
Although scarcely mentioned in historical records, Finland was still independent for most of the duration of the Norwegian kingdom.
Kevin Wilson
No they weren't, just a bunch of scattered infighting tribes that never had a centralized state like Norwegians.
Aaron Richardson
Average karelians I know care nothing but where to get wasted.
They often hook up with their finnish friends who come from over the border and drink heavily until they all pass out.
Gavin Lopez
So?
Still independent, just not centralized.
Julian Bell
we wuz centralized n shiet
Matthew Sanders
By independence people usually mean independent statehood, something which Finns never had prior to the 20th century.
Kevin Martinez
We have some Karelian refugees, they do want independence but if they dare to speak about it they'll end up in jail.
William Bennett
Care to elaborate on the ending up in jail part?
Brayden Rogers
What a nonsensical definition of circular logic.
Independence is defined more reasonably by the absence of an outside force interfering in local matters through military domination.
Mason Watson
Some kind of landowning statehood? Yes, of course.
Church-appointed kings? No.
Jaxon Cruz
The KGB starts harrassing them, they lose their jobs and get threatened.
Sebastian Jones
They seem to fit right in with the Russians then
Aiden Gray
Sounds like the usual Friday night in Aus
Jacob Jackson
Every people had that kind of independence at some point, it's nothing noteworthy.
No there wasn't, some pisspoor chieftains owning a plot of land doesn't constitute a state.
Jonathan Walker
You're the same guy from this thread and nothing you say is historically correct. Quit talking in rhetorics only.
Levi Adams
>Every people had that kind of independence at some point, it's nothing noteworthy.
The purest kind of independence. Now no-one has any independence besides North Korea and Iran. We are part of huge global unions.
Levi Powell
No I'm not, many Finns on this board are blackpilled about their history.
Gabriel Myers
What color pill is reading history to gain as much information as possible? I'm that color. Emotions don't need to factor in.
Brandon Ward
>Now no-one has any independence besides North Korea and Iran. We are part of huge global unions.
Exactly, Finns never got a chance to play the game, so to speak, either a global collapse happens and we might have a chance to make our mark on history or we'll get miscegenated out of existence with the rest of the Europe.
Dylan Hall
This is called a statement of Independence whether you like it or not.
>1230-luvun käännytys Hämeessä näyttää olleen nopeaa ja tehokasta, joskaan ei pysyvää. Vuonna 1237 paavi Gregorius IX kirjoittaa Upsalan arkkipiispalle hämäläisistä, jotka nyt lähellä asuvien ristin vihollisten yllytyksestä ovat ryhtyneet kapinaan ja kiduttaneet, silponeet, sokaisseet ja tappaneet kristittyjä. Ei voine olla sattumaa, että tämä tapahtuu heti kalpaveljestön tappion jälkeen; ilmeisesti Suomen piispa oli todella heidän avullaan levittänyt läntistä kristinuskoa hämäläisten keskuuteen. Ristin viholliset lienevät karjalaisia. Siksi paavi julistaakin nyt ristiretkelle lähteville samanlaisen synninpäästön kuin saisivat Pyhään Maahan ristiretkelle lähtevät.
jaska.puheenvuoro.uusisuomi.fi
There are like 5 rune stones in Sweden which talk about their warriors dying on Finnish soil.
Xavier Foster
I just wish we'd have had some unifying figure akin to Harald Fairhair or Genghis Khan before we got occupied for centuries, nothing is known about ancient Finns apart from those vague mentions.
Sebastian Diaz
Finland had very few people living here a thousand years ago. Most of them between Tampere and Hämeenlinna.
Andrew Richardson
Yeah, sure sucks that we never had ancient states.
Josiah Thomas
That same linguist I linked to said on another forum that there are no morphological rules that prevent Caelic from being interpreted as Kalevi. Caelic was said to rule all of Finns in the 6th century.
Connor Green
Turku was an ancient state. They had direct connections from Saaremaa to Virumaa to Karjala.
Parker Nelson
I think climate is the reason why Finland never had a large population like Sweden even though the tech level has always been close.
Southern and central Sweden is cozy as fuck thanks to the gulf stream.
Juan Jackson
>we never had ancient states.
According to Unto Salo, the names of the Finnish provinces are older than the Swedish era. For example Satakunta means some kind of a military regiment which had been divided into ~100 strong units across the province. West Finland had a system of watch towers that would alert of any incoming invasion.
Jack Peterson
All of southern Finland did although more people lived in the inland west. We were completely militarized during the Viking age because of necessity. Vikings would have sold all Finns as slaves if they could have done it without massive losses.
fi.wikipedia.org
fi.wikipedia.org
Connor King
Also, Vikings made up the bullshit about Finns using magic as an excuse for them being the inferior warriors every time they tried and failed to raid us.
Tyler Lopez
>My grandfather Thorgny could well remember the Uppsala king Eirik Eymundson, and used to say of him that when he was in his best years he went out every summer on expeditions to different countries, and conquered for himself Finland, Kirjalaland, Courland, Esthonia, and the eastern countries all around; and at the present day the earth-bulwarks, ramparts, and other great works which he made are to be seen. And, more over, he was not so proud that he would not listen to people who had anything to say to him.
>be finngol
>get subjugated by swedes
Colton Flores
Never happened. Grandpa was a liar.