I read the 9 page French-German EU "Super-state" paper

that was leaked by the Polish government a few days ago.

I can't find anything that is wrong with it. It talks about more military and security cooperation, the priority to protect the EU external borders, to make sure migrants from Africa stay home rather than come to the EU, about more cooperation in investments and to foster growth and jobs, and an EU function to bolster investments in those EU countries hardest hit by economic crisis in the last years.

What is bad about that?

godmode-trader.de/artikel/geheimdokument-europaeischer-superstaat-nimmt-form-an,4750665

P.S. if you click on the link and scroll down you come to the document. The funny thing is, it is in English!!

>"What is bad about Germany making the 4th Reich happen ? "

the problem wasnt germany being awesome it was them invading europe. now if europe wants to side with them then have fucking at it.

Stop this meme, Israeli. It is not the 4th Reich, it is a European superstate of 450 million inhabitants.

Israel may join, by the way. We always said that.

isreal will never join as it would allow to many non jews into their country.

>to make sure migrants from Africa stay home rather than come to the EU

That would be fantastic except that its a lie. The EU and its supporters are hellbent of making the continent 'diverse'

Everyone with a 2-digits IQ finds this idea exciting and interesting.

Fugg off Mehmet.

>Israel may join

The entire point of Israel is to be a pure ethnostate and the point of the zionist created EU is to be a mixed race society.

How exactly are you seeing Israel joining the EU a possibility?

>I can't find anything that is wrong with it.
>Superstate
Found the problem.

oops sry meant to quote the kraut

>That would be fantastic except that its a lie.
Why should they lie in a secret policy paper?

FTFY

Why would anyone think its a good idea to give more power and authority to an union which already acts undemocratic?

>le zionist behind everything meme

Sure, Ty-Rone.

>How exactly are you seeing Israel joining the EU a possibility?
If you go to Tel Aviv, you will see how many young pro-EU Israelis there are.

80% of Arab Israelis want to join the EU and quite a lot of socialist lefty Israelis want that too. They do not mind to open Israel up for European migration - both ways.

>Europe should stay open to what migration and mobility can contribute to our societies in the fields of economy, culture and diversity

It's great if all the benefits and costs are spread out evenly. At the moment you have poor neighborhoods being crowded out with immigration they don't want, while people in rich neighborhoods get to buy cottages in Spain. When the poor say fuck it, this sux, everyone decides they're idiots. The good thing is though, if the EU has closer cooperation, you can get rid of referendums altogether, and just send in the EU army if anyone doesn't like it. Sign up!

>The funny thing is, it is in English!!
that's not funny kartoffel, english is the official EU language

>make sure migrants from Africa stay home rather than come to the EU

The borders are not being enforced, you got waves of shit skins washing up in Italy and Greece, Mutte Merkel actually invited them.

>Why would anyone think its a good idea to give more power and authority to an union which already acts undemocratic?

What is undemocratic about the EU?

All decisions have to be signed off by the elected EU parliament, the elected members of the EU Council and the EU Commission, which gets elected by the EU parliament and appointed by the elected governments of the EU states?

oh look, a german wanting all of Europe under his command. At this rate we need to patch relations with the russians and begin more Dresden.

Young Israelis are cocksuckers Faggots. Where do you even get these affirmations/statistics ?

Inch'allah, the EU will collapse soon.

Yes, just like Australia, don't you think that is right? Did you read the rest?

what the paper contains:

>a gorillion of nice sounding buzzwords without any concrete definition
>more gibsmedat
>more power to brussels
>less power to the national governments

tl;dr it's a MASSIVE power grab by brussels, only liked by filthy socialist cucks who cream their pants over the thought of having a huge central government fuck them over

The official EU working languages are German, French and English.

Fpbp

There is a higher chance of Israel becoming the 51st US state than ever joining the EU. Israel was created as a safe haven for Jewish people first and foremost. Joining a nation which would tear down Israel's walls and allow millions of Arabs to settle there because of "muh refugees!" would be antithetical to the founding purpose of the Israeli state.

>80% of Arab Israelis and socialist lefty ones do too
So you're saying that all the people who hate Israel want to join a union that would destroy Israel? No way. I wonder why that could be...

So, Ukraine can't join and Israel is always welcome?

You had a holodomor, not a holocaust. Learn the difference.

There's also the fact that Ukrainians are just Russians in denial and I don't think the West wants any of those.

>So you're saying that all the people who hate Israel want to join a union that would destroy Israel? No way. I wonder why that could be...
I assume you have never been to Israel, have you?

>So, Ukraine can't join and Israel is always welcome?
I want a united Europe for all Europeans. Ukraine is more than welcome to join. Ukraine is a beautiful country.

ukraine has no chance of ever joining until the EU becomes an actual state itself and ramps up its military significantly.

I agree that most of it sounds harmless and sensible enough. However:

>As a first step, the Dublin system has to be improved to deal with exceptional circumstances by means of a permanent and binding mechanism which foresees burden sharing among all member states.

They still want obligatory migrant quotas. That's an absolutely awful decision. Some countries don't want refugees, and they should not be forced to take any. And most refugees don't want to go to some countries, so how is the relocation scheme even supposed to work? Let's assume a bunch of refugees got relocated into Poland against their will. When they leave the refugee center with the intention of using Schengen zone's free movement so they could travel into Germany, how is Poland supposed to stop them? Should they be allowed to use force to prevent them from crossing the border, or should they keep them jailed so that they'll never even reach that border in the first place?

If EU still wants to go with forced migrant relocations, it's a sign that they haven't learned anything, and they'll continue fucking things up. You really don't want to give more power to an institution like that.

Also, the document mentions that their aim is the "irreversibility of the euro". They are clearly trying to use these self-inflicted crises as a justification to grab more and more power and control to themselves at the expense of the sovereignty of the European nations, and they're trying to create a situation where no country will be able to turn away from EU anymore.

I'm both offended and amused by that statement

>What is undemocratic about the EU?

What is not undemocratic about EU?

Some guys, who were elected by some other guy elect some guys who will elect things. A lot of election, sure, but by the people chosen by those already in power. That is not democracy.

>but by the people
but not by the common people

>Some guys, who were elected by some other guy elect some guys who will elect things.

Ok, can you be more specific?

1. EU Parliament - directly elected by the people in each state.

2. EU Council - directly elected governments in each state.

3. EU Commission - same as British PM, elected by the EU Parliament.

NO law gets to be law unless 1. and 2. agree with super majorities.

What's undemocratic about that?

ask your average burger about the 17th amendment.

Fuck off I vote AGAINST

How can facts be offensive? Ukraine literally translates to "frontier", which it was until Russia formally annexed it.

You're more than welcome to join, brother.

probably you would already if it wasnt for that thing with Crimea

imagine the... problems you would have if the European Republic demanded Crimea back...

At least not until you settle down the problem I guess

I want to preserve my race, culture, language, political sovereignty, and my peoples future, but sure willingly get exterminated by the Roman Empire.

Can you please, please, please kick us out first and then go make your fucking shithole of a supercuck state?
Thanks and fuck you.

You say west doesn't want russians. My fee-fees are hurt.

>Can you please, please, please kick us out first and then go make your fucking shithole of a supercuck state?

It is the decision of the Greek people to leave. It always has been. You just need 50%+1 vote of the Greek people - either in parliament or in a referendum. You can leave any time you want.

>OY VEY! ITS THE SHOAH 2: ELECTROCUTED BY THE EU BOOGALOO!

On a serious note the idea of Germ- I mean the EU needing army because of border problems was caused by Germany in the first place.

STOP
GIVING
THEM
FREE
SHIT

This is not a hard concept.

we have our fill of non whites.

russia is the only controlled opposition they have left without doing another revolution in a country.

>What is bad about that?

Your going to get cucked harder Hans.

You don't need to join the West to be as wealthy as the West. Just tell Putin to get your stability up to 3, acquire 100 admin points, and change the capital to St. Petersburg.

>leaked by the Polish government

Subhuman slav scum traitors.

That would require people from your lazy hoe ass country to actually do something like walking to polling station - which would never happen

shoa 2.0: this time for white people?

>You say west doesn't want russians. My fee-fees are hurt.
Actually, Russia can join too.

We always fucking decided against you! You told us if we voted NO it's out of the fuckin' Euro for us. When did go and shoved a NO up your asses and now we expect you for once, to honor your worthless words and kick us out.

>It always has been
That's why you didn't let us do that first referendum on 2012 and instead imposed a dictator on us, right?

Stupid fucking nazis, thinking they're actually the good guys here.

>destroys Europe twice
>tries for a third time
>Slavs say "fuck you"
>blames Slavs for being traitors

When are we going to fix the Kraut problem once and for all? Let's be honest here. There should never be a unified German state. It must be split into like 6 pieces.

>Subhuman slav scum traitors.
implying we didn't want the Poles to leak the paper. Hans, get real.

>)
Please do this.

Suck on this Herman :D

>It must be split into like 6 pieces.

Like your mom's clunge at last night's #BLACKED Party :^)

Japs demand their islands we took after ww2 every time there's a political talk. Don't even have a ww2 peace treaty with them yet. Nobody cares, we're used to it.
>Gib clay back
>No fuck off
>Now about real business
Zero hostility there

>We always fucking decided against you! You told us if we voted NO it's out of the fuckin' Euro for us. When did go and shoved a NO up your asses and now we expect you for once, to honor your worthless words and kick us out.

Germany was the only EU state who said the GReek people should leave if they voted against the reform package. What can we do if Tsipras then screws you guys?

>Suck on this Herman :D

I might if you're cute :^)

EU parliament is a joke. zero accountability, their debates are absolutely useless. hell, more than half of the continent wouldn't even understand what these clowns debate even if they wanted to listen, because they dont understand the fucking language.

EU parliament is so far removed from the people it claims to represent, it is a disgrace. all they do is act as yes-men to junkhead. hell they can't even initiate legislation by themselves.
and, the biggest problem with it: it doesn't act in the interest of the citizens at all.
it acts under the assumption that there is some atrificial "european" citizen to represent, but there isn't. there are no 'europeans', there are only frenchmen, englishmen, irishmen, germans, poles, slovaks, danes, etc.

the EU parliament doesnt have representative legitimacy because ~90% of it are fucking foreigners who do not have the interest of my people in mind. i have ZERO interest in being ruled by a parliament where my people are outnumbered 9 to 1 by a bunch of romanians, spaniards and swedes.

Oh fuck, it's you again. Why do we always have to end up in the same thread...

> German defending the EU superstate when Germany is the only country directly prospering from the EU.

Fuck off Hans.

Herro :^)

>I can't find anything that is wrong with it
said her (pic related)

EU Parliament, most of the people elected are unknown to the public.

EU Council, people already in power elected in each country.

EU Commission, people approved by the aforementioned.

In short, more people put in a position of power by others in power who want them there.

Go away, stop gaying me up.

>stop gaying me up.

Is it working? .^)

>Like your mom's clunge at last night's #BLACKED Party :^)
My family's not German... and we already are part-eggplant.

>mfw Germans look like us in 30 years

>US, UK, and Russia will have to put Germany down again

I wish it didn't have to come to this

>EU Parliament, most of the people elected are unknown to the public.
Then why do people elect them? If people want other people, they should vote for other people.

>EU Council, people already in power elected in each country.
Yes, it is the people who are elected in each state which go to the EU Council. What is undemocratic about Tsipras and Merkel to make decisions in the EU Council?

>EU Commission, people approved by the aforementioned.
No, approved by the EU Parliament.

next is this desu

>mfw Germans look like us in 30 years

Morbidly obese and glued to a mobility scooter? :^)

>4th reich ?
i wish it was true

When we get rid of this sorry bitch of a faggot, and kick him out together with Mitsotakis, we're walking out and we will not honor any of the agreements the previous traitorous governments made with you. It's going to happen. See what you're gonna do then.

No. Well, maybe a little.

>Just tell Putin to get your stability up to 3
Every time he does that another comet appears

>to make sure migrants from Africa stay home
This is where you are wrong. By "protect" they mean more and more patrol to catch the migrants the earlier they can so they can "save" them and disembark them in Italia/Greece.

Why do you think the migrants once used an inflatable swimming pool to cross from Libya to Malta? If it goes to the international waters, they have 99% chances of going to Europe. Nothing more is needed anymore.

To eternal German/Subhuman-slav-traitor-scum friendship! :^)

The only good thing that would come from an eye superstate is the inevitable team up of old allies to once again put down an expansionist reich centered around Germany.

>EU parliament is a joke. zero accountability, their debates are absolutely useless. hell, more than half of the continent wouldn't even understand what these clowns debate even if they wanted to listen, because they dont understand the fucking language.
I am for having everyone speak English in the EU Parliament.

>EU parliament is so far removed from the people it claims to represent, it is a disgrace. all they do is act as yes-men to junkhead. hell they can't even initiate legislation by themselves.
Then let's vote people in on a district basis like in the US, no? Then every citizen has exactly 1 EU MEP who represents him. If that MEP doesn't do well for its constitutency, then the people will not elect him again.

>and, the biggest problem with it: it doesn't act in the interest of the citizens at all.
Ok, then let's vote for other people no?

>it acts under the assumption that there is some atrificial "european" citizen to represent, but there isn't. there are no 'europeans', there are only frenchmen, englishmen, irishmen, germans, poles, slovaks, danes, etc.
Says who? I am a proud European. You nationalists are the minority in Europe among young Europeans.

>the EU parliament doesnt have representative legitimacy because ~90% of it are fucking foreigners who do not have the interest of my people in mind. i have ZERO interest in being ruled by a parliament where my people are outnumbered 9 to 1 by a bunch of romanians, spaniards and swedes.
But you are in a minority, the majority of Europeans still want Europe.

We are fed with this integration meme from EU for 20 years, now we should be proud because we are honorary nonmember with free trade (according to EU free trade is when we have trade quotas, and EU not) and have no say in EU politic. If they really like the idea there was no any problem to invite Ukraine in among with Bolgaria and Romania. We are no more shithole than these nice and rich european countries.

>inevitable team up of old allies to

Seeing how well you guys did in Vietnam, Afghanistan and Iraq, I'm not too worried.

Triggered? :^)

>make sure migrants from Africa stay home rather than come to the EU
Create the problem and provide a solution. And at the mere cost of any sort of democratic accountability in your now centralized unelected governing body.

Nothing, and it's a draft if anything. Pol is literally a cesspool of imbeciles who are afraid of everything, esp. things tgey cannot grasp with their tiny >white brains.

>according to EU free trade is when we have trade quotas, and EU not

There is literally nothing wrong with this. In fact, it gave me an erection.

Boners don't lie :^)

>we're walking out and we will not honor any of the agreements the previous traitorous governments made with you.

Good, that is exactly what we proposed last year and Tsipras turned our proposal down. Walk out, exit the EU and reform your country with your own currency. It is what you want, it is what we want.

>We are no more shithole than these nice and rich european countries.
You're too big UA. Can't just let 45kk people in. Bulgaria is what, 10kk? Now if you split...

>Then why do people elect them?
When i have you choose between a turd of unknown ingredients and another turd of unknown ingredients, then what are you going to choose?

>What is undemocratic about Tsipras and Merkel to make decisions in the EU Council?

I hope you are trolling.

>No, approved by the EU Parliament.
The leadership is decided by the council.

Ukraine needs to wörk wörk wörk for a change and make peace with Russia, then we can consider letting you into our EU super-state.

But currently you don't wörk wörk wörk and you are bitching about Russia all the time.

GEt your act together and we let you in.

But they should not be in either. Now we can't even kick Gypsies back.

>Then why do people elect them?
they mostly dont. EU parliament election turnout is consistently terrible across the union.

look, the point is this:
my people get to vote for ~10% of the parliament seats. the other 90% my people NEVER get to vote for. they are completely out of our control.
for smaller countries, it is even worse. they are effectively ruled by a foreign parliament, 98% of the seats in that parliament they never get to vote for, ever.

i have zero interest in greeks, frenchmen, italians and finns having any say in what i have to do or not. zero. and they dont have any interest in germans telling them what to do either.

that's our fucking problem with the EU - we do not want the peoples of europe to meddle in each others affairs and try to tell each other what to do, we want them to leave each other the fuck alone, so that ever country can do what it thinks is best. that's all there is to it.

Have you krauts ever heard of subsidiarity?

Never ever give some super entity any power that can be assumed by a smaller entity.

>But currently you don't wörk wörk wörk and you are bitching about Russia all the time.

They're just like Croatia.

"Oh noez, a Serb tickled my mom's pussy without consent 20 years ago! This means I can't work and totally deserve neetbux!"

>When i have you choose between a turd of unknown ingredients and another turd of unknown ingredients, then what are you going to choose?
Create your own party and put known people up for EU election?

>The leadership is decided by the council.
So? The Council is the most democratic institution - it consists of the governments of the EU states.

Do you seriously think this uprising was not made up in Moscauw? Locals just wanted to live in peace and didn't gave two shit about being in a country or another, and then a hundred of people appear and shoot at the army.

Why can't germans juts accept the fact they have to send 1000 euro to every ukranian montly forever for voting pro-EU? why are you so evil?

>When i have you choose between a turd of unknown ingredients and another turd of unknown ingredients, then what are you going to choose?

If you'll offer a German TWO turds, he'll just think he died and went to heaven.

Honestly, do you know nothing about us?