1. Do you support the EU?

1. Do you support the EU?

2. When will the EU's political integration be completed?

1. No
2. Never

1. No
2. Never

1. No
2. Neve

I actually do support the EU now, but it needs a lot of reforms.
I only started supporting it in 2016

>1. Do you support the EU?
As it exists today? No
>2. When will the EU's political integration be completed?
Never

1. Do you support the EU?
Minus the refugee politics, yes.

2. When will the EU's political integration be completed?
My great-grandchildren will be dead by then, who cares.

1- Yes
2- Never, it will disintegrate because of petty stupidities.

A number of the EU countries are considering making their way out of it just as the UK did several months ago. Since the UK left the EU, it's been on its way to dissolution.

European Union and Euro currency were created to protect themselves from US speculative financing capital and Russian armed forces. so I think that the EU's dissolution is the same as suicide

Yeah, because everybody can see how great the Brits do with that decision. If anything the Britons did the EU a service, by serving as a deterrent.

1. No
2. Never

Enough said. We can close this thread.

1. No
2. Hopefully never

1. kind of
2. never

Nope. European Union began as a way to make sure France and Germany never fight again by inspecting their steel, coal and electricity production. Of course, it was useless even back then considering USA had army bases in Germany and Russians were breathing on everyone's neck. The French went into it because they smelled a chance to be leaders of a united Europe. Germans went in because they had no choice, Italians because they wanted gibs and Benelux...eh, who cares. European Union itself is the wet dream of centralists, communists, do-gooders and bureaucrats, essentially everyone who wants big money and no real supervision to make his humanity saving social engineering come through.

Euro is a purely political project that was designed to cause problems that necessitate further integration and redistribution. Before the Euro, the European South had currencies that resembled Monopoly money. Their way of life was to borrow money and then dissolve the debt in inflation. Everyone knew this so everyone put a hefty interest rate on the money they borrowed. After Euro, Greeks, Italians and whoever else adopted the Euro could borrow at German interest rates and they've gone wild. Cue the crisis and the inability to pay and the inability to dissolve the debt in inflation.

Based Czechia

>neets

in the near future your voting rights will be revoked and youll be sent to workcamps, fucking dumb lazy shits

I think it has been a force of stability and cooperation in europe, and that is a positive thing for world stability and harmony going forward, it has also created economic issues with its shared currency though, it could do better

1. Yes
2. Never

No
Never

1. yes

2. hopefully soon, we are already well on our way. It's only a matter of time before the Brits are shamed into returning. There will be federalism in our lifetimes and I am happy about it. The only way for the EU to continue existing is for complete integration on all levels to be realised. Anyone thinking it will survive with autonomous nation states is an idiot

No and especially not now that we have lost our best friend: UK
I hope it will end like the USSR

The EU could had been a great idea, if it had stayed a common market, but Germany fucked up everything.

EU seems relatively successful except for the refugee policy. If EU is disbanded and returns to its own currency, small european countries will face financial crises regularly, and especially Poland, the Baltic States and the Balkans will be constantly exposed to the Russian threat

1. yes
2. never

Hmmm

you aren't the same people despite your intentions

increased cooperation in trade is good, but having different people influence laws for another different people is a long term shaky foundation

He doesn't realise that though, since he's the one making the rules. Germans are a lost cause

The EU isn't that successful. It's only successful for the northern countries with the euro because of their low valued currency and trade surpluses. For southern EU countries the currency is too high in value. The way it would function better is if labour migration would be more and better between different EU countries.

>Poland, the Baltic States and the Balkans will be constantly exposed to the Russian threat

Ehm, there is this thing called NATO which contains even Americans so it's actually able to do something.

>If EU is disbanded and returns to its own currency, small european countries will face financial crises regularly

Only if they are retarded enough to borrow exorbitant sums of money which they probably won't since everyone will have an assigned interest rate based on their economy without the added "Germans will just bail them out" bonus.

>EU seems relatively succesful

Some European countries are doing good (Germany), others not so much. You don't hear about this because it's not newsworthy until shit hits the fan.

>1. Do you support the EU?
As a concept? Yes. But in its current form, a German export ponzi scheme? No.

>2. When will the EU's political integration be completed?
When Europe has a common enemy. Right now it should be Islam and the coming African population bulge, but I guess they prefer to bury their heads under the sand.

The Mediterranean should be militarized, but retard Germany will never give Italy, Greece, and Spain enough money for such a project.

I'm not OP, but I remember seeing the discussion on the same subject on a thread about the last French presiential election. It was so intruguing that I was motivated to save the entire posts.

Here are the quotes from the side who defended the EU:

>The loss of exchange rates and transaction costs were a godsend for trade of the smaller member states just as much as for germany. The countries that didn't benefit greatly from it were the middle advanced economies of SE, which was a problem, but not one of the euro but rather their economies. none of them suffered from the euro, however, and many, like Ireland, greatly benefited from it.
>Investment across the border had risen to 1/3 of GDP in the eurozone within years of the euros adoption. That is pretty massive.

>"Italy, Spain, Greece, and Portugal sure as hell haven't." Thats a nice collection of buzzwords but actually Italy, Spain and Portugal have greatly benefited from it. Its rather weird fringe economics to try to pin every economical trouble of every eurozone country on the euro, when in reality a lot of countries have economic troubles from time to time without needing the euro for it. The simple fact is that in none of them except greece was the euro the problem. And even for greece it wasn't the euro itself that caused the problem.

>So did Greece, but their case was a particularly problematic one because they cheated on their admission. Which was a fault of lack of scrutiny, to be sure but not one of not benefitting from the euro.

>Spain

They already protect themselves well enough

>Italy, Greece
>enough money

It would just end up stolen. The key is providing legislature that allows them to catch anything that tries to enter the country and return it back to Libya or wherever it sailed from.

1. No
2. Never

1. No, I'd rather France to be the 51st American State because Americans are closer to us than most European countries. For example Poland, what do we have in common with Poland? Also fuck Germany.

2. I don't think it will maintain over the middle term. Let's take some examples, the USSR, Yugoslavia... even China which were very similar split (China split several times in several kingdoms its history), so an organisation of about 25 different countries, with different cultures and people can't survive.

proxy, probably a brit shitposting/britposting

Pourquoi un britannique se ferait passer pour un français, ils ne sont même plus dans l'ue?

You can view it like that if you are an Euro-shill but it essentially boils down to:

>it's not the Euro that's the problem, it's countries not being enough like Germany that is the problem

Which as you can imagine is just preposterous

>Investment across the border had risen to 1/3 of GDP in the eurozone within years of the euros adoption

Even a beginner statistician will ask: What was the trend before the adoption of Euro? Can that rise in investment be attributed to single currency or just economic upturn?

An economist will ask whether the investment wasn't just a bubble that took 8 years to burst.

>American are closer to us than most European countries. For example Poland, what do we have in common with Poland?

So, this whole concept of 'European identity' is a hoax? Before jumping directly into conclusion I want to ask how many believe in the concept in France and how many there are people like you who don't.

A true Frenchman wouldn't say that the USA is closer to France than continental Europe

>1. Do you support the EU?
I support the idea, not the bureaucrats and the madness
>2. When will the EU's political integration be completed?
another 40-50 years

>So, this whole concept of 'European identity' is a hoax?

Yes. European identity is something only EU bureaucrats and humanities students believe in and hope to develop with enough time and media massage among the plebs.

You really think it will actually complete?

But we are, most French people (except FN retards and Arabs) love the USA and care a lot about the USA, while for example Poland or even Denmark...

This. People are still tied to their country the most. We differ too much from eachother in language and culture to consider us one people.

What do you say to those across the internet who support solidarity bewteen Europe in white nationalistic sense and follow anti-EU sentiments? From what I've seen, it's not only the pro-EU guys who's for the ideology of European identity.

>European identity

Only exist in kikes evil brains. That has never existed and won't exist.

1.- Yes
2.- Never, the logistics can't be overcome

>poltard neets

but when its about shaming 3rd world shitholes you suddenly all become cultured europeans

go back to your shithole board then die

Soros bitch here

I say they are idiots too. I don't feel any solidarity for Germans just because they happen to be white. When it comes to ideology, they are as dogmatic as mudslimes.

1. Not in it's current form.
An united european federation would be really nice, but 2. That wont happen within my lifetime, so no need thinking about it

well, that's kind of pleasant to hear, but I never get that impression

>Take back the concept preached by the journalists of "European identity"
It's called Western identity.

can we have the eastern bloc back instead?
this time without communism

Because we love you so we sometimes make fun of you like we do with Belgians and because you are #1, so you export your craps like McDo, but our culture will always be closer to the Anglosaxon culture than Slavic culture.

Intermarium when?

get a job pedro you waste of fucking oxygen

1. No
2. Never

I do have a job and make more money than you do György. Then i go to Budapest and can fuck your hoes for 20 bucks

>a fucking nigger

sure you do manlet gypoo, havent your mama told you not to speak with strangers?

Keep it civil anons

>than Slavic culture

Funny. Your culture is actually very similar to Russian (probably because Russians were infatuated with you).

I support international trade relations but the EU isn't a solution to that.
I don't think the EU will ever get close to full political integration.

I can only do but laugh, really, a Hungarian being arrogant about economy, just LMAO

Cheap hoes for me, but you can't afford escaping your country because you are too poor and taxed to go elsewhere. What a cuck you are.

Europeans don't want to be Americans.

>shitskin rage

keep it coming virgin, you havent seen a woman naked since you were born

Do you love EU?

How are you preparing for the European century?

i used to think that all countries except UK adopted the € in the european union, but sweden and poland didnt, why is that?

I'm actually not raging but mocking at you, at your inferior country. Do you think I give an actual fuck about my skin?

Come on white trash europoor work 3 months just to make fukin 1000€ JAJAJAJAJAJAJAJAJA

>EU thread
>German flags come in uncritically defending it

Because they know their economies wont work with it

1. No
2. Never. EU has been over.

No
2080

i wonder if spain economy would've been better with Pesetas
as soon as we adopted the euro everything got more expensive
166 Pesetas were 1€ at the time of introduction

>mad underage shitstain

Ja.
When that ugly hole in the middle is removed.

Plz gib me monyz I'm Hungryanian

Stop embarrassing yourself. You have nothing to be proud of.

>wa wa wa mommy this dude on the internet called me names

I don't know why but in situations where there are a lot of people from different countries gathered together I generally feel more of a connection with other Europeans than Americans, provided they speak English. It's like Americans just have a different way of thinking about things. Maybe I do have some kind of European identity.

t. britshit

Yes in some ways

After countless reforms and some civil disturbances

No

Never.

1. Yes
2. Never

Probably wouldn't have got hit by the credit crunch as bad desu

>Russian threat maymay

theyd be hit worse, a non significant currency is easier to exploit and manipulate, ours almost crashed that time

should Ireland, Czechia and Romania all become a single country?
of course
- Germany

I don't know why I expected anything other than what I'm reading from Sup Forums. The good thing is that the general populations within the EU tend towards wanting further integration and federalism.

The good thing is that even if they don't, we can sway them with the media within their countries. One day the dream of a federal european superstate will be realised and it will be for the good of everyone to accept and relish it. I believe that being a European above say a German or a Frenchman is of far more importance. Those saying that we are all too different to integrate aren't looking at the bigger picture. We may have different languages and small varying cultural differences but we are all European. without the EU, Europe would decend into war within years just by looking at the rise in facism from the likes of Poland, and to some extent the UK.

We may not speak the same languages but integration will solve that within the coming decades, perhaps even by adopting esperanto as the lingua franca. A language that comes from no specific area should ease people into dropping any notion of nationalism (which is harmful) for their nation state.

Fuck you, ungrateful cunt.
Your country would be an Ukraine-tier shithole without the EU

To embrace the single "European identity" you have to overcome north vs south rival, my province vs the neighbouring province, etc. it's especially bad with Italians.
>esperanto
Will never happen.

Dont worry, Spain will become the balcans in a fews years. With EU or without EU, the war is coming to the European continent again.

Unironically this
Unfortunately, there are still a lot of dumb and nationalistic people in Europe, and without EU, there will be war once again on the continent.

The End of EU is just a matter of time, the riches will fly to Singapore or AU/NZ with European assets gathered at Germany before Caliphates take over Europe.

>perhaps even by adopting esperanto as the lingua franca
what

>Spain will become the balcans in a fews years.

It won't be allowed to happen, I can assure you of that.

>With EU or without EU, the war is coming to the European continent again.

Also not true. Thankfully us Germans have learnt from our mistakes and have dropped the notion of nationalism from the public forum. We will help you, the misguided, to learn how to integrate and be peaceful. Soft diplomacy or hard diplomacy will win the day; it all just depends on how quickly you adopt the right path.

Nope. It would be shit without trade with the EU but actually being inside the ginormous circlejerk is not at all necessary for success.

>ungrateful

Pay reparations pls

Juncker pls go and stay go

Why not? The Brits have forsaken their chance to remain relevant so why should we continue utilising English within the EU? The USA has also shown that through their nationalism and racism they are fast becoming a global pariah. I'm not proud of speaking the same language as those monsters. I also don't want French or German to be the language of Europe, rather a fabricated language that borrows from everything. A multicultural language, if you will

Oh, of course I don't think all russians will be a threat to Europe. But Putin is likely to do that

We have had 4 civil wars in 150 years and the last time you helped my city was on fire. Pls dont help this time, let us butcher each other peacefully.

Look at the Eastern European countries that are not inside the EU. You would be just as "successful" as them