Starship Troopers

Was this really supposed to be anti-fascist satire?

Because it seemed like the Federation was a well-run, highly efficient society where citizenship was (rightfully) granted to those willing to fight and defend it with their very lives.

Everyone worked and served towards the betterment and expansion of the state, instead of just freeloading of it or trying to destroy it from within. It's the kind of system that would outlast any of its contemporaries that would rather indulge in trivial pursuits, short-sighted ambitions or acts of anarchic dissent without any thought given to long-term visionary planning or the bigger picture..

If anything, it made me better appreciate the merits of fascism - a system of government that was only recently vilified in favor of far less stable democratic systems as a direct consequence of World War 2.

it was made by a typical Dutch

they play both sides of the fucking fence

oh look
another meme movie thread

Yup nothing is better than a society that forces you to serve in the military, which throws soldiers into the meat grinder with zero tactical though,t to gain full rights.

What does not becoming a citizen involve?
Johnny Rico's parents weren't citizens and they lived in a fucking mansion in Buenos Aires. Looked healthy and clean and comfortable. Really made me think we should grant citizenship only to those who serve to make the country better, and by proxy the world.

> forces
SERVICE BRINGS CITIZENSHIP

Needless waste of human resources. Legitimately could have destroyed the bugs homeworld from orbit but instead chose to send troops to surface.

I mean by the end of the film there were child soldiers... so I'm not sure I would call that "pro-fascist"

Carmen mentions in a deleted scene that since Rico's parents are rich he doesn't "need" to be become a citizen. Essentially stating the rich get to do whatever they want and the citizenship thing is just scam for the lower classes.

> deleted scenes

you'll next be bringing up the Expanded Universe

>this is what alt righters actually believe

In the book his father is a wealthy businessman.

>Well-run and highly efficient

did you miss how stupidly they ran the war?

>If anything, it made me better appreciate the merits of fascism - a system of government that was only recently vilified in favor of far less stable democratic systems as a direct consequence of World War 2.

Every Fascist state collapsed into itself within a decade after getting a significant percentage of its own population killed. Fuck off Sup Forumsbeard.

The only one that did not, Franco Spain, was the most liberal Fascist state but nonetheless was basically the sick man of Western Europe until Franco died and it liberalized.

Wasn't Nazi Niel Patrick Harris just testing the bugs to see how they would react?

Well its just more explicit but all those implications are there already. Obviously since Rico's parents were rich they didn't need to become citizens to have children unlike everyone else. Also notice that all of his friends are fairly wealthy and all of those wealthy people living above the system get flattened by the asteroid. The whole war and Buenos aires is just population control

it was anti-fascist satire based on unironic pro-fascist literature

Did this flush out all the Reddit Letter Memers on Sup Forums?

Damage control. Klindathu invasion was a total disaster

even look at their basic tactics, sending in swarms of poorly armed infantry.

>Needless waste of human resources

Needless?

user, the books have a very real and very sinister undertone for why the military continues to exist. Something about putting the lions to work protecting the lambs, and making damn sure they die in the process of doing it.

The Federation can tell who will be problems in their society through the extensive psych-mapping they do throughout school, and those problems become career soldiers.

>Every Fascist state collapsed

:^)

i tip my fedora to you, OP, where can I send you your complimentary katana

I think it's less of a fascist state and more of some kind of meritocracy.

Notice how there's no discrimination and citizenship is granted through merit.

America isn't some fasc....oh

user the movie is supposed to be in universe propaganda. Of course they make everything look awesome about their side.
You wouldn't expect John Wayne to stop in the middle of killing some japs to ponder on the implications of american imperialism in asia.

I like how the left magically started hating Executive power once Obama left office

none of Obama's overreaches in power were ever questioned by the left, but Trump goes on a twitter rant and you end like it's the end of the world.

Libya, Syria, Yemen? Any of those wars Obama supported ring any bells? of course not

many people would say that meritocracy IS fascism

I wonder what the alternative universe where the Japanese never attacked America looks like

i'm not really sure that the filmmakers were going for any sort of deep satire, much less specific political satire

you could argue several positions about Heinlein's book, but I tended to take it at face value like The Moon is a Harsh Cold Mistress; just a space-pseudo-fascism take instead of space-lolbertarian-paradise take.

haven't read Stranger in a Strange Land yet; heard that one is a liberal fever dream, though

Basically a Pacific Cold War, since America was already imposing a trade/oil embargo against the Empire of Japan while also sending its pilots to dogfight Japanese fighters under the guise of being Chinese (something the Japs already suspected).

Pearl Harbor didn't exactly happen in a vacuum.

>pearl harbor never happens
>Japan never declares war on the US
>Hitler doesn't declare war with the US
>Japan joins the war against Russia
>Reinforcements from Siberia don't show up
>Stalingrad falls

>pilots to dogfight Japanese fighters under the guise of being Chinese
Based AVG

>filmmakers were going for any sort of deep satire, much less specific political satire

Do you not know who Paul Verhoeven is? Why do people post this shit without doing the most basic level of research?

>forces

Johnny's family weren't citizens and they were fine.

Because they were obscenely wealthy. They had enough money and influence they didn't need to worry about it.

But isn't that the point of drawing out your enemy to see what they have?

I know I've heard that theory before

You clearly wouldn't know fascism if it bit you in the ass

They still weren't citizens.

Therefore it shows you don't need citizenship to be successful.

This.

It's clearly an oligarch crafting a cult of personality, nothing wrong with that at all.

Exactly, and that's why the Feds let Buenos Aires burn. Uppity rich folk thought they were above the system and obviously had some amount of contempt for the government given Rico's dad reaction to Rico wanting to even become a citizen.

wtf I heil hitler now

of course not

The director said the films point was to prove that facism is only efficient at killing bugs.

In the book Rico's dad survives and realizes the errors of his ways and joins the mobile infantry too

The book and the movie have completely different themes.

In the novel, his father and he are filthy Asian spics, who cares about the inferior version?

Yup

I mean, losing mass conflict tends to oust regimes.

It wasn't really about fascism in Heinlein's book, it was just that Heinlein was a military man and truly appreciated the military as a social element.

I think he made some pretty good arguments on behalf of the military.

Did you miss the part where the government killed millions of it's own citizens in a false flag that lead to subsequent millions more dying in a pointless war?

I would like to know more.

>literally making a thread every night about this dumb movie

Jesus fucking Christ you are a comfort seeking alcoholic manchild.

>only recently vilified
Sometimes I wonder how Sup Forumstards manage to tie their own shoelaces.

I'm pretty sure everyone started hating your orange gimp, not really the executive branch. Keep deflecting, billy bob.

>false flag

Nice headcanon.

I don't care about personality, I care about policy

>still living in 2016
Can't use Clinton as a scapegoat anymore, sugartits.

Any fans of part 3? I thought it was low-key kino

>muh inbred mouthbreather fantasies
You would have qualified for a work camp, dwayne.

if you thought what they were doing in starship troopers looked fun or a good idea, then get checked out. this has got to be bait.

It's a shame Starship Troopers never had any sequels. Such a great film.

Heinlein is completely delusional, I have no idea how anybody can take him seriously

...

Is Rico a manlet?

Don't recall from the movie, but service isn't forced in the books and they even do everything they can to discourage people who aren't ready from enlisting.

and thank god for that

> A meteor was shot at and hit the Earth after traveling across the galaxy

I agree, I feel the same way about The Matrix. I mean, I understand not wanting to ruin the world, but they should be a little more courageous when it comes to making sequels to great movies.

they were cadets

>the alt right actually exists and isn't just a lefty meme for your'e daily 2 minutes of hate

Instead of over-analyzing something that was nothing more than an action film, go read the book, it's completely different from the movie you only watched for the tits in the shower scene.

>Instead of over-analyzing something that was nothing more than an action film

You must be 18 or older to post here.

Johnnie's family is super rich but they aren't citizens. Joining the military is super hard but quiting is made super easy. However you don't have a say if you don't enlist. You can be rich and live an easy comfy life but you don't have a say in politics. It's a democracy but only for those who serve.

>tv
>reading books

what kind of hell hole do you think this is?

Why can't he close his mouth? He looks like a ghoul

I always took it as a "Remember the Maine," a freak accident spun as an attack.

This movie is better.

>every woman in the movie shows her tits

where do we sign up for fascism?

Yes. Any time you see retards blindly parrot RLM's review talking points even in the face of citations to the opposite from the film's creators you're almost guaranteed to be talking to some sub-90 IQ brainlet from Reddit.

>forces

It's worth pointing out again that you're a fucking idiot and the exact kind of person who feels like they need to justify liking this movie by claiming it's "satire"

How was it anti-fascist satire?

Let me guess.

It's the nazi hats right?

This

It used to be TGWTG now it's RLM

I've stated this before, but I'm pretty sure Stranger in a Strange Land is a parody of new age thinking.

The Martian philosophies aren't particularly deep or insightful, the earth religion stuff is an obvious parody of televangelism, Jubal Harshaw is like an infallible caricature of Hunter S Thompson. Heinlein said his objective was to take satirical jabs at every sacred cow he could think of to get the reader thinking about our societal preconceptions of religion, sex, etc.

Says the ass that didn't read the book.
Voerheven put fascism in the movie, it had nothing to do with Heinlein's work.

>killing some japs
>american imperialism

Failed your history classes, I see

>Hollywood writers not understanding the physics of space travel

What is more likely, that Ed Neumeier predictive programmed the 9/11 Truther narrative, or that he didn't understand relativistic distances and velocities in space? The rock that takes out the Roger Young's radio tower is the same one that hits Buenos Aires.

People only started the "Buenos Aires was an inside job" meme AFTER 9/11.

>also sending its pilots to dogfight Japanese fighters under the guise of being Chinese
Terrible history in this thread.
They weren't sent.
The Chinese recruited them as well paid mercenaries.
It wasn't secret, there were movies made about them while they existed.

>well-run

Nope

>highly efficient

Nope

>where citizenship was (rightfully) granted to those willing to fight and defend it with their very lives

Goes against any modern constitution in the western world.

>Everyone worked and served towards the betterment and expansion of the state

You mean the invasion of Klendathu?

>instead of just freeloading of it or trying to destroy it from within.

Who is trying to destroy what now?

>It's the kind of system that would outlast any of its contemporaries that would rather indulge in trivial pursuits, short-sighted ambitions or acts of anarchic dissent without any thought given to long-term visionary planning or the bigger picture..

You mean the guys who started a war against intergalactic bugs?

>If anything, it made me better appreciate the merits of fascism

Thats called a "paradox" kiddo.

Fascism by definition has no merits.

>a system of government that was only recently vilified in favor of far less stable democratic systems as a direct consequence of World War 2

There is fascism currently in a few places in the world.

Try North Korea, if you want a healthy dose of Fascism.

....Brilliant """"""satire""""" there Paul

I honestly didn't think it was possible to make a worse Starship Troopers sequel than part 2, then I saw the 3rd one.

Who also joined the military.

Considering at this point Earth is probably very low on resources, this is a very sound idea to keep the global population sustainable and it's all done in a way that everyone is satisfied.

Well the problems with fascism were never that it doesn't work. The Nazis turned Germany from a county on it's knees into a world superpower in less than a decade after all.

Thank you for using r*ddit spacing for easier identification.

3 had a catchy song, though.

>Earth is probably very low on resources
Despite having colonies all over the galaxy?
Nice "thinking", potato.

There's currently loads of oil in Siberia, that doesn't mean sane people want to live in the godforsaken place to get it.

Holy shit you retards actually ARE stretching 9/11 conspiracy shit to fit this movie.

>The Nazis turned Germany from a county on it's knees into a world superpower in less than a decade after all.
Hitler only accomplished into turning the economy into a stilted house of cards dependent on predicted influxes of riches that would come through conquest. Fascism only creates "superpowers" inasmuch as no one stands up to them.

>Goes against any modern constitution in the western world.
That's not an argument.

I seem to remember something like that.

They really laid on the "federation are EEEEEEVIL!!!!" shit too thick though.