Why would any one choose right over left?

Why would any one choose right over left?

because one day I could become that boss. unlike the left.

All hail our job creator overlords

This.

The boss was one of those workers once. Then he busted his ass, made his merit known, and now he's making good money. My dad did exactly that, he went from $30k a year to $90k.

But no, let's all hab some gibsmedats. Go fuck yourself.

Protip: you're pretty much guaranteed to never be the boss. However, the odds of you being unemployed at least once during your adult life is pretty much 100%.

Enjoy chasing false dreams fed to you by the Jews who own everything to keep you placated.

Hmmm... I don't know why. Maybe because history over and over again have proved socialism to be a complete failure.

>find goldmine
>For some reason i have to share my discovery with a bunch of other fags

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Why should I want to work? The glorification of labour is why I can't buy in to socialism.

Also the IWW died a long time ago

People working collectively and splitting the profits equally is gibmedats?

No user. The boss who owns the gold mine that never steps foot in it while taking the Lions share of the gold is gibsmedats.

You're more than free to start a gold mining co-op in a capitalistic system.

Of course, that would also mean working.

Those communist workers should all be different sizes.

Because I can't exploit my own niche in the market and invest in myself improving my quality and desirability.

>Protip: you're pretty much guaranteed to never be the boss.

Lol, I'm 27 and a senior manager at a software firm pulling in $130k/year

Those who never become the boss are those who are worthless

Which of those guys on the left owns the land/mineral rights to that land?

shouldn't those miners on the left all be making 1 coin since they all have to pay for the prospecting, equipment, property tax, and other overhead?

Because the right works, whereas the left doesn't. Try looking at the evidence

How have communists treated those who did not work as hard as people thought they were able to?

>not becoming the jew

right always, baby

left:
fantasy world where nobody owns the mine

right:
real world where the owner owns the mine

Left is nonexistent fantasy.

Because 1 of the people on the left invest their money in better pic axes and equipment, while the rest blow it on liquor and whores.

10 years later that 1 person is paying people to use his superior pic axes to mine gold while he handles managing the details, and his ex-fellow coworkers, are performing a inferior job, and still blowing their money on hookers and blow.

the pic itself is retarded

>Own mine
>Somehow the ore within it isn't mine

Because once miners know that they will get an equal share, they will work less or not work at all, thus decreasing overall productivity, thus making everyone poor.

Communism: where everyone is equally a peasant

owner has procedure all the tools and resources necessary for production, they or their predecessors have done the most important work already, now you have a guaranteed salary and they have opportunity for profit.

Of course in your childish mind, you think you inherently deserve more than you what you put it just for existing.

here's an easier answer for you to swallow OP

this. capitalists btfo.

If you not being paid enough? Don't do it. Start your own company or join one that treats you better.

>the best workers arnt rewarded and the worst workers arnt punished so everything stagnates and falls apart

doesnt even work on a micro level

Making 180k/yr at an MBB consultancy, faggot.

because they want to be the boss.

Because the left is pure utopia. The same thing doesn't happen in real life.

Who's the landlord?

In real life, most people suck with money decisions. They spend it too quickly and end up hungry unless they have a steady job or someone taking pity on them.

That is the root of a boss and underlings.

Also, when the land owner gets to keep the resources on his own land and decide how much he will pay his workers, he hires a lot of workers.

When he is not allowed to own the land or it is stolen from him, he hires no workers.

As cruel as the real life Boss and workers relationship can be, it gets more work done than sharing equally.

On the society on the left i can do less work then everyone else and still get paid the same

Exactly

Lenin said if you don't work, you don't eat. Of course, even people that did eat went hungry. And plenty were worked to death in the socialist states of the 20th century and died in famines. Just a blood frenzied ideology. Honestly makes me uneasy.

The only reason the guy on the right would be unemployed is because the marginal benefit from hiring him is less than the marginal cost of paying the additional wages. He could easily work for a wage which would make employing him worth it but of course when workers unionize and demand a higher wage that prices him out, but somehow the boss is now the cause of his unemployment because he threatens the workers with replacement due to their shirking despite the high wages with unionization. The mine on the left would never even start because it would require some initial capital investment and if everyone receives the same compensation despite their abilities shirking is highly incentivized.

You're the type of person that keeps us from where we could be.

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>my dad

Your argument is gay as fuck.

temporarily embarrassed millionaires

Realize one day that no matter what a shit job I do I'll get my share
Swing my pick like a retard and just say this is my best
Get paid same amount as dude busting his ass, thanks komrade bernie, you are my greatest ally and society collapsed only 10 years later

Funny joke here

How did socialist get around before walking?

>Buying the meme

How about you stop humble bragging and share with us how you did it?

Hard work? Persistence? Preservation? Oh yea! More corporate buzzwords that keep us enslaved.

Be honest, you happened to meet the right person, and ass kissed your way to your current position. That's the only way and you know it.

No shame in that, just admit and let the world continue to walk all over you.

Congrats you're all mining gold and getting equal pay! A good sentiment!

Now, one of you will have to do a little extra and decide what happens to that gold. Where it gets processed, if it's minted, any sort of other factors legal or otherwise that sort of thing.

Now hold on, having to mine and do all this number crunching isn't very fair. So we'll just have one guy do the administration and processing.

This is harder to do, maybe he should get a higher pay more proportionate to his work. It's mentally taxing figuring out how to get the best bang for buck.

"But wait a sec you capitalist dog, if we all stay miners, we can just trade it at the local pawn shop for plenty of cash!"

Yes little comrade, but you might get a better deal elsewhere. Besides, your local pawnshop might rip you off.

slave away for the proletariat, goyim-I mean comrade

>implying the left could efficiently mine gold with empty supermarkets and no electricity

2 people out of all this means it's a better idea

capitalist logic

I'm surprised the IWW still exists. Then again, I was surprised when I found flat-earthers and geocentrists online. People apparently believe in disproven ideas just because "anti-circlejerk" nowadays. Communism is the economic equivalent of Roman science. A prototype for something better. I just hope we can get to the "something better" soon, capitalism fucking sucks as well.

laboroers are more than welcome to start a mining operation among themselves. They will have to pool their resources, borrow lots of money, and buy lots of equipment and mineral rights. Their company might go bankrupt, and they might lose everything.

They don't want to do that, however. Marxists want to seize an already existing mine operation. That's called theft.

>communism isn't influenced by outside capitalist influence

lol let's see a TRUE communistic society where capitalism has no influence at all.

Because the one on the left left out a fuckton of middle men, whole the one on the right left out a fuckton of middle men - 1 to paint a really shitty propaganda photo.

>he thinks he's a boss
If you work for 65 years (not retire at 65, because we all know that ain't happening), you won't even make 10 mil.

You're working class, chump. A slightly nicer car, a slightly bigger house, sure, but you're 100% working class.

And you always will be.

You have no idea how rich 'rich' actually is.

Any person that have actually worked a single day in their lives would never think left is actually possible.

>capitalist society can produce more gold with half the workers and a third of the resources
wew thats probably why socialist societies all suffered massive starvation.

>I just hope we can get to the "something better" soon, capitalism fucking sucks as well.

True. Hopefully some comfy automation will make all our lives easier

Because the left will eventually have person who goes like this
>if I dig up more gold than the others how come I don't get to keep more?
The rest of the workers will just slack and watch as there income rolls in
This can lead to 2 things either the harder worker becomes less motivated and fucking quits or he takes it all and fucks the rest of them in the ass. The latter of which being capitalism. That fact that this thread exists is proof that
>you're not redpilled enough and should lurk more
>you're also an idiot because you believe in a communist utopia
Pro-tip: Utopias will never exist and you can only please the majority
kek I love how you're typing it out with spaces between each line like he's still learning to read
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Who's going to pay for the equipment, the licences, the land, etc..

Owners get paid more because they put in all the risk to create the damn opportunities.

>This is harder to do
This is where you fail.

It requires more education, sure, but I wouldn't say it's harder. I work a desk job and get paid a lot more than the field employees I manage, but I would say my job is a shitton easier than theirs. I'm valuable because of my skills, not my work ethic - as it should be, because I paid for those skills (or will pay, HECS-HELP loan lmao). But if you were a socialist then your skills would have been free, so you might be more valuable but that doesn't necessarily translate into higher pay.

In fact, when you consider hazard pay and so on I'd say being a miner is a shitton harder than being admin. That's why in real life miners get paid more than admin.

Lol being proud of being a manager
Own your own shit in this world

>implying everyone can dig the same amount of gold

160 years of this shit, and still Marxists are no closer to having a coherent thought.

because the guys in the left image are all basically dragging ass and trying to let the other three do all the work. It's a race to be the bigger lazier piece of shit, and everyone loses.

fpbp

>but I would say my
wouldn't* lmao. Been up all night.

Because if I spend all my money to build and open a mine, I should get a greater share of the profits than the guy who just shows up and swings a pick for a few hours a day.

Here is your answer, OP. Severely deluded assholes who are selfishly hoarding the immense amounts of wealth they believe they willone day have. They truly think it's just a matter of time until they join the exclusive ranks of the most privileged humans to have ever existed.

This is a dream fed to them by the very (((elites))) who work diligently to ensure that it will never actually happen for any but the luckiest of the lucky. Because as long as you believe that you, too, could one day be counted amongst that elite class, you're going to support the existence of that elite class and it's actions.

>IWW
>no bosses goy... NOW PAY YOUR UNION DUES

One of Marx's key critiques of capitalism was in fact the alienation of the worker from his product. One could argue that the managerial class is a symptom and sufferer of this.

Thread should have ended here.

Or a giant plague hits the world, and I either die knowing the world will be much better for it or live in a new agrarian/rural society where global warming, terrorism and overpopulation is no longer a problem. I can't wait.

that gif doesnt even show what happens in the fight the fat autist probably got his ass beat

>There's no such thing as entrepreneurs

>gold
I still can't get how that metal has so huge value in economics

Your dada is middle management making a midde class income. Far cry from the "mine owner."

Because a business simply cannot exist without different levels of management.

Lol, bullshit.

Most people who get into those boss/ceo positions rarely started at the bottom.

Nepotism, being well connected through family/friends, and ass licking get you to the top at most companies. You only need to be semi competant.

this

Are you retarded? The reason the post has no other replies is because it's fucking dumb.

>it's impossible for a co-operative to implement quotas and hire and fire based on performance
Congrats. The thread continues.

So you actually believe in physical equality? Lol, keep dreaming.

As long as some folks are stronger, smarter, better educated, luckier, etc. that others, they can use their advantages to help themselves or someone they wish to help.

Because the one on the left has failed every time it's been attempted.

and then one guy quits for something else, the other 3 take on extra work, one of them dies in the mine, his family is fucked forever and the remaining guys have even more work to make up to keep getting the same profit they were, nobody wants to work for them because the job has no security, the next link in the chain of production starts to feel losses from the lack of raw ore to work with, and before you know it another entire country is surviving on handouts from the west

I have to agree with this.

"firing" is capitalist just like unemployment
didn't you ready the OP

Yeah I like the idea of agrarian living too.

Alienation theory/species being is complete pseudoscience. I have no desire to be productive.

So the boss that started the company is guilty of gibsmedats? The entrepreneur who put his own reputation/money on the line to start it all? No, I get it, fuck him for taking the initiative, and allowing people to have jobs in the first place.

Because that is the way the master of this world would prefer things operate.
>with this post this thread will go straight to the archive. do not pass page 10. do not collect 200 (you)s

There is literally nothing stopping you from enacting the left picture in a truly capitalist society.

>I found the gold vein, I own the gold
I understand incentives but this still feels wrong somehow.

Only a spastic would interpret "bosses threaten employees with being unemployed to keep them working for pittance wages because hunger > starvation" as "firing workers who don't work is bad"

Stop reading what you want to read and read what's actually there.

Almost ALL gold mining companies globally are publicly listed.

The Employees can purchase or negotiate shares in their contracts, which means the boss's gold is actually their gold too.

Also, the guy on the right without a job is now free to start his own Gold mine, or a different kind of mine, or any other kind of business.

The people that REALLY got rich during the gold rush were not the gold miners, they were the people who sold the pick-axes.

>the deadbeats get 3 bars in the first society

>Yeah I like the idea of agrarian living too.

>being a primitivist
I'm sorry mate, I know you're probably not. You're supporting what's right by you. How can I refute that?

way to miss the point

>the guy on the right without a job is now free to start his own Gold mine, or a different kind of mine, or any other kind of business.
Not when monopolies are in place and companies control market prices

Who buys the picks? Do you just bring your own? Who makes sure the tools used fit a safe standard, especially for the other miners? Mining is an extremely dangerous job, who oversees and enforces the safety regulations? How is the wealth shared? What if someone doesn't want to share, they're the one who worked for it and since they supposedly brought their own equipment and did their own work why shouldn't they be able to keep whatever they find? How are these people intending to haul that much mineral and metal? Who will they sell it to and how will they each transfer their own amount in bulk? How do they maintain a schedule so they all work at the times needed?
Who deals with the landowner for the rights to the minerals and from whom does the money go in order to pay the owner the percentage taken from the land?
If there's a person in charge of any of this they're your boss and you're employed to them. Without any of this you're just a thief.

but how is that different from say... intellectual property?

The whole world can't be open-source... or can it?

only downside would be no more Sup Forums and bantz and i'd have to be social

so i'd probably just kill myself anyways

True, but at least that's something. It's not as though you'll be on the bottom rung forever, particularly in a blue-collar job.

>I have no desire to be productive.
Because you're so far down a hole of ennui that only the zestiest of hot memes can reach you.

Besides, Gattungswesen is about more than just wanting to productive.

> It's very difficult therefore I guarantee I can't do it

Do you carry a wallet or do you just slip your EBT in one of those card pouches that attach to the back of your phone?

You have to ask the question of who owns the tunnel the workers are in. Who owns the pickaxes the workers use. Who owns the material mined.

If you say that the land is owned to every person in the world, well that makes your home also owned by everyone on earth. If you say that the each individual person bought a piece of land and a pickaxe, well you can do the same thing for the one on the right. You can buy out a portion of the company. And hence you'll own the equivalent of a piece of land and a pickaxe.

In short. If I own a computer, and I hire you to write programs on the computer, You don't suddenly own the computer. You could buy your own computer and write programs for that computer, in which you can make your own programs