How can you even argue this, stop being so greedy

How can you even argue this, stop being so greedy

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really makes u think doesn't it

You don't give taxes. Taxes are taken from you.

It sure does. Sup Forums's beloved 1950's had way higher tax rates than Sanders is proposing,

Sup Forums also loves the 1920's, when there we no income taxes what so ever.

1950's is easily the decade that Sup Forums fetishizes.

>pol is one person
>memes

Wanting to keep the money I earn is greedy. Ok.

>tfw this is the legitimate mentality of the left.

> hello I am a newfag
> hello I know what Sup Forums fetishizes

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>implying landing on the moon matters at all.
>implying space exploration matters

I've been here since Sup Forums was created. The 1950's have always been seen as an ideal here by the hivemind.

I'm pretty sure you mean the late 30's, early 40's

top 1% earned less than 3% of the money in the 50s and today its over 20% so it's not a very comparable situation.
the 1% pays almost the majority of the taxes already.
also the majority of Americans make it into the top 5% at some point in their lives. your parents are probably an example of this.

>How can you even argue this
If your taxes were increased, do you think they would be used on space program, or perhaps something else?

We launched the Hubble Space Telescope when the tax rate was at its lowest.

Really makes you think . . .

>Pol
>1950s
>Degeneracy that lead to the 60's
>Shlomos playground
No

>why can't i buy a nice big house and a car at 20 like my daddy
>what taxing the rich, that's communism, i'm voting republicans to make america great again

Yea who the fuck needs satellites and GPS anyway.
We should all just stick our heads in the sand until an asteroid fucks our shit up.

There were several deductions that no longer exist

Nobody has ever paid the marginal rate

When we had a 85% white country we went to the moon.

Those are two things that are never happening again.

What is the effective tax rate after deductions m8?
I'm supposed to pay 28% of my income in taxes but in reality I've never owed the irs more than 700 dollars and sometimes I get refunds after all my deductions.

the 60s was the start of the degeneracy that carried on through the 70s

in the 50s all the war veterans were back home straightening the fuck out of everyone and creating a literal paradise

people were heavily taxed in 1950s due to the cold war
you dont have to tax people now because were at peace

youtube.com/watch?v=PtBy_ppG4hY

We are literally in a decades long global war.

>How can you even argue this,
The govenrment doesn't deserve more money because you feel that certain people make "too much" money.

>stop being so greedy
But you and the government are the ones that want to take more of other people's money just so you and your anti-White friends can get elected.

you think taxing the rich will get you a nice house at 20?

It's a complex range of problems, one of them is the fact that the rich don't have to pay shit compared to what they used to.

>when hitler was around, computers were invented
>this is why we need hitler back

You forgot to add - voting LBJ and spawning the baby boomers.

How would an increased tax on wealthy citizens lower house prices?

Rich folk didn't pay as much because they have folk who know how to game our shitty as fuck tax code. I rarely ever owe in taxes because of it. I should be paying 28,000 dollars a year in taxes but last year I paid $700. So go figure on that.

Science in general is pointless and degenerate.

That's because during the time of 70% taxes those with top 5% income hid their wealth in property. Avoiding the tax in general and paid their je** I mean accountants a nice sum to keep it legal.

You're a fucking idiot.

And with current tax rates, Elon Musk is going to allow 100 Americans to go to Mars to settle.

Interesting, I didn't say or imply that it would lower house prices. Seems like you're disingenuous.

It doesn't have to be like that. That shouldn't be an option you parasite.

and here I was making $13 an hour, losing 1/3 of my paycheck to taxes every week and at the end of the year still owed money because I'm a FUCKING WHITE MALE

>less blacks
>less welfare
>less meaningless spending
>government wasn't "losing" billions of dollars
Life was great before the Left became the Social consensus.
Politics is downstream of Culture.

Now compare marginal tax rate with tax revenues.

t. Philistinist

I'm sure you'll tell the doctor that when he's sewing up your asshole after a Mohammed rapes you.

people who earn over 250k a year pay more than half of the entire income tax revenue in america. that's the top 5%.
people who make less than 50k a year contribute less than 6% of the income tax revenue. you don't think the rich pay their fair share?
you want to know what fair would be? a flat tax. that is an objective truth.
also in the 50s the top 5% contributed much less than they do now, see my other post,

The us tax code is over 17,000 pages long. The amount that you can use on itemized deductions is stupid. I get deductions from the deprecation of my shitbox, my mortgage, schooling and to top it off I shove my IRA full of cash and deduct my charitable donations. Not to mention if I had kids I would collect that sweet earned income credit. Learn to do taxes, you don't pay them afterwards.
No because you didn't bother taking a class at hr block on filing tax return. It's not hard to do even a filthy hapa like myself can do it.

>when we had a 70% tax rate on the wealthiest Americans, the government used our money to pay Lockheed Martin to build the biggest rocket ever and put two people on a distant rock.
>After bringing back hundreds of pounds of moon rocks, many mysteriously went missing and ended up being traded by collectors.

except diplomatic elites always find ways to avoid taxes putting more stress on working people imploding the economy like venezuela

HEY YOU COMMIE FUCKS GO TO VENEZUELA AND ORDER A CHEESEBURGER SEE WHAT HAPPENED TO YOUR PRECIOUS SOCIALISM THERE

>been here since Sup Forums was created
So you're a newfag

No, actually, it's a simple range of problems. There isn't enough work anymore because labor costs are too high, cost of living has exploded because of needless regulation, and inflation is no longer indicative of wages because our banking system is literally run by a doomsday cult.

People like this are the stupidest idiots in the world. You think that because a bunch of investors make a shitton of money, they're taking it out of your pocket? None of them has EVER taken anything from you that you didn't either pay to them for a product or service, or that wasn't taken from you by (uh oh!) the fucking government first.

The reason you are miserable and have no opportunities is that bankers are allowed to get away with murder, while the federal reserve can simply print more money to loan them whenever they crash the economy. Taxes are literally meaningless to them because they control the inflation, and because "money" has no intrinsic value anymore.

This isn't the 1950s. The ultra-wealthy in this country aren't business magnates and oil tycoons anymore, they're hedge fund managers and bankers. You cannot apply the same reasoning to them that you used to. All high income taxes accomplish is taking money away from US, the people who actually work for a fucking living and want to better our livelihoods.

Try this, instead of appealing to naked greed by trying to rob successful people, just try this: Actually enforce fraud laws on investment banks, investment insurance companies, and the Federal Reserve. Hang the people responsible for the Sub-Prime Mortgage scam. Punish the criminals. If that doesn't work, THEN we can discuss you taking half of my paycheck to pay for more nigger welfare.

Not really. Greed is keeping most of that money and using it to lobby for even lower tax rates on the rich while promoting privatization and "trickle-down" policies.

fiat currency was a mistake

person makes 500 million....we tax 35 million, but with writeoff and tricks gets amount down to 9 million

poor baby....only 491 million left over

he uses that money to buy a gazillion houses and rents them to the poor at a grand a month

>le whiteness meme

Ok, then please clarify. How would an increased tax rate allow for housing to be more either more affordable via lower cost or better purchasing power for more people? I'm genuinely curious.

>anti-white
ebin

>it's a meme that things are better under a white majority
reality deniers please go

i think we can all agree we want a country that is almost entirely white, with high taxes on the rich and strong labor unions. this is clearly what is best for society, facts and history prove it.

wew lad. corporations don't need to lobby for lower taxes. they don't pay taxes because the tax code is FUBAR.
"trickle-down" economics is a liberal fairy tail. no economist has ever uttered the phrase unironically.
not sure what you mean by privatization? maybe you can elaborate.

everything anyone does is motivated by greed. your just as greedy as the next guy, especially if you want to take what he has earned by force, against his will.

That doesn't mean we went to the moon because of the high tax.

You mean back after a world war where the world was split in 2 (the other side being communists that take ownership of all wealth) and those paying the 70% didn't have anywhere to go. It was also a much more patriotic age. (consider that when burning your flag)

Honestly I don't even think it's that. I'd be completely in favor of handing over every cent I made if government actually knew how to use it in the most efficient way possible.

The problem is that government is the literal opposite of efficiency though, isn't it? I mean yeah, if we could all pitch in and help each other and it actually worked out where everyone was happy and got what they wanted, while everyone still also worked to their full potential to contribute to society, that'd be great.

But that's a fucking pipe dream, a fantasy. Bernouts think that's actually reality. That's the scary thing. I live in MA and the Big Dig is a great example of this. Bernouts want the entire country to be the Big Dig.

the wealthy are buying up houses like candy....which is causing the cost of them to increase..

then they rent out all the houses they buy to the poor that can't afford them...fucked them twice!

>take a fucking economics course, ya clown

>income tax
1900' was greatest years of America.

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Enjoy.

he uses that money to provide goods and services to others in his community. housing prices are dictated by market forces, not the building owner.

you fucking moron.

>"""white"""
Whatever that means.
>reality deniers
I'm not denying anything. I'm just not using arbitrary claims and cherry picked statistics to support an agenda.

>reply for other people
>get indignant when held to answer for their premise

Medicine is science and therefore degenerate.

your a fucking idiot.

Getting tax money out of the rich wouldn't be so hard if we didn't make a complete shitmess out of the tax code and allow a gorrilion tax shelters to pop up overseas.

>it's cherry picked statistics that white majority countries are the most successful
haha wow!

Houses are more expensive now because they're built better. I think it's also illegal now to not build them better.
Cars are more expensive for the same reason. They have much better safety standards than they did 60 years ago. We don't use asbestos and lead paint in houses anymore.
Housing is also in low supply since we've imported billions of immigrants and naturally our population has risen from birth rates.

It's not because "muh rethuglicans lowered tax rates"

>the rich getting taxed magically drops a house and car in your lap
hi bernie

How about a low tax rate, and private companies like spacex and blue Kevin go into space?

>allow a gorrilion tax shelters to pop up overseas.
you do understand that our economy is global now, right? apple does not have to exist in america to sell their shitty phones in america. if they left that would be a HUGE loss in terms of take revenue and all sorts of other shit. this goes for any company.
taking away tax havens is effectively raising taxes for corporations, if they can operate somewhere else for a lower cost you can bet your economically illiterate ass that they will.
just what good do you think will come by forcing businesses out of america?

>Housing is also in low supply
no it's not. this is an incredibly local metric by the way. if there is a housing shortage somewhere then it becomes profitable to build houses and apartments, and people do so.
the only exception to this is areas with rent control legislation which makes owning property a liability instead of an asset so the new building stops. see new york in the 80s.

>"""white"""
Again. Arbitrary definition.
Even if Scandinavia is very successful, there's no concrete evidence of anything more than some correlated factors acting to give an impression of """whites""" being "superior."

Tarrifs

affordable housing is in short supply. if i want a 4000 sq foot house for $300k there is no end to my options.
If I want a $100k house with a small amount of land there is absolutely nothing.
there is low supply of affordable housing because it's not profitable to build them because of building codes.

>no response to this video

Figures...

This really. You could tax at 99% and it won't make a difference if you've got loopholes the size of Hoover Dam for people/corporations to shovel money through.

that just shifts the revenue burden onto consumers while limiting the available products. also it has all the disadvantages of forcing businesses out of your country, loss of jobs, loss of technology, etc.

>there is low supply of affordable housing because it's not profitable to build them because of building codes.
you can build 100k houses in some communities, in any largish city, probably now. land in cities is in high demand, that's why it costs more. regulation via building codes obviously makes everything cost more but location is a larger factor.

i aint watching that shit. summarize it's main arguments if you want a reply.

it costs 60k minimum for any plot of land that isn't out in the boonies.
so really i should have said land is scarce. but not only land, small houses too.

forcing businesses out of your country, loss of jobs, loss of technology, etc.
Which is exactly what eliminating tariffs got us.

If importation is more expensive, companies will remain here. It's not about protectionism but disincentivizing abandonment

>Which is exactly what eliminating tariffs got us.
uhh... what? are you kidding me? I assume you are advocating isolationist economic policies, in which case I assume you want to work at a foxcon factory for $2 a day? there is a reason america is not a manufacturing economy any more, we upgraded to technology, we use the global economy for our manufacturing needs.
if you don't want to be apart of the global economy prepare to work some very shitty factory jobs, that is after we retool the economic infrastructure we have been building since the 70s at great cost.
remember the great depression? that's what happens when you suddenly drop out of the world economy and try to legislate prices.

depends on the city. land costs are independent of tax rates for the rich or any tax rate for that matter. its based on demand for a finite resource.

if the corporation can profit more by leaving they will. if you make it more expensive to leave via tarrifs then you are punishing the consumer.

>70%
>effectively 20%
good one tard.

20's were fucking crazy tho, you could be a millionaire as long as you werent a fucking retard.

of course it all had to come crashing down at some point I guess.

I don't necessarily disagree. The 0.01% are total scum and ironically very leftist so tax away. We could use that money to build a beautiful wall, deport all eleven million illegals, and then restart our space programs.

>if they have incentive they will
And? So remove incentive. Make taxes here low and tarrifs on products with domestic equivalents higher.
And which is better, factory job or no job? Wages go down, so do prices or noone will buy your shit.

>of course it all had to come crashing down at some point I guess.
not really. the great depression started as a normal recession which was recovering in less than 8 months until Smoot–Hawley tariffs and socialist projects were enacted as a response, which spiraled the economy right down the toilet until we switched to a war economy and abandoned all the retarded isolationist and socialist economic policy after the war.

why can't we go back Sup Forums?

Back then the taxes just coerced the rich to either invest in assets that could avoid high taxation, like real estate, or just move their money offshore.

So really, a higher tax on the rich reduced revenue from that bracket and created artificial bubbles in the market.

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>The 0.01% are total scum
the 1% are the reason for almost all the technology and convenience you take for granted today you ignorant Marxist.

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It crashed because the FED refused to loan to smaller banks while nothing was done to halt bank runs, all after the FED approved loaning out more than your actual reserves

>the majority of Americans make it into the top 5% at some point in their lives

Well it wouldn't be the top 5% if a majority of americans are in it

We move about

The argument againt that tax rate is: "nobody paid it".

Yes, the right wing are that pathetic.

What is even more pathetic is: people actually believe it.

You're all ore than welcome to drown in your own bullshit. I'm done with you all.