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AY SARGE
*rubs head*
MASK U SUM'N SAR'N'T

He actually fucking does this multiple times in the film

Yes

Lebouf was the only good thing in this flick.

Not even Romanian actress and Bavarian titcow could save this colossal fucking shitshow.

I miss the days when Mallick made WW2 epics.

As a German I found it above average until the Tiger fight. After that it kills itself with the Ramboesque showdown.
I liked the way they portrayed the American savagery on the Western Front as Otto Carius mentioned in his book. Still waiting for a proper film about the Rheinwiesenlager though.

8.5/10

Yeah that shit was maximum retardation.

*runs into tank*
*jumps back out of tank*
HOW YOU GON SURVIVE SARGE?

>m-muh 1000 times folded Krupp Stahl can't be pentrated by inferior American rounds

hewillnotdebideus

Its just so forced.

>KILL THIS POW WHILE EVERYONE WATCHES
>MASKUSMTH-MAN
>ARE YOU SAVED
>GORDO
>I WANT MY GNATZIE SCALPS

They were all caricatures. I didnt feel compassion for any of them.

The entire scene with the 2 women was rushed as so forced, as was the dinner speech of the falaise pocket.

The film could have been much better, if they toned down the forced "gravitas" they try to portray.

And dont get me started on Tiger vs Shermans.

The fight wasn't too bad, although unrealistic as Ayer told in an interview. I can get behind his decision for cinematic reasons. A regular tank engagement over more than a kilometer away wouldn't be as spectacular a sight as the close range fight that ended up in the movie.

My main gripe is the ending. I somewhere read that initially it was supposed to be a Volkssturm unit full of minors and elders vs the tank crew. That way the slaughter would have made more sense. Now it is just another war movie that portrays the Nazi war machine as full of incompetent idiots, hence shitting on the graves of all Allied and Soviet soldiers that paid with their lives to bring it to a halt. Thanks Hollywood.

Well I kind of agree with you on that gravitas bit. However it works quite well to convey the stoicism and disillusion resulting from years of warfare without an end in sight. Keep in mind that in WWI Germany capitulated with almost 1 year armistice on the Eastern Front and Armies still in France. I suppose most people in WWII didn't expect the fight to continue after it was already a lost cause.

As for the caricatures, while certainly true it fondly reminded me of my conscription service in a Panzerbataillon. The tankers I met were not all too different from Pitt's crew. I guess after a few years of war they would be even closer to them if not worse than them.

>A regular tank engagement over more than a kilometer away wouldn't be as spectacular a sight as the close range fight that ended up in the movie.
it could be bloody fucking tense though

I dont want to make this sound like the good old "Americans didnt do anything", but cmon man. When was D-Day, when was Bulge and when did Hitler kill himself.

Now compare that to the Eastern theatre with the longest continuous front of all time...

Its just so forced. Thats why despite all "artistic liberties" Band of brothers works so well, becaus for the paratroopers is was a walk in the park compared to for example the 1st marines in Guadalcanal.

I guess what Im trying to say is that its another WW2 movie where it makes it seem like Americans were tired of fighting for 7 years against the Gnattzies, when in reality it was barely 1 year since the landings.

Isn't there already a cut for such an ending?

youtube.com/watch?v=gL2agp05yII

But seriously, I am no tank expert but wouldn't it be quite boring to see the Shermans just getting wiped out while the Tiger being out of their effective range?

I think they mention that the tank crew was together since fighting the Afrika Korps, which could have been as early as 1942.
Still, even a year of fighting may get to you. And I do agree that the Eastern Front and the Pacifc theater saw more brutality on average but that doesn't mean that war in the West was shit too.
I think it also depends on your motivation. For the Soviets the fight was for survival and for us in the end as well. Even the Brits had some stakes at some point, but what motivation did Americans have for the European theater? This was probably reflected by morale and hence by fighting capabilites.
Sönke Neitzel's book "Soldaten: On Fighting, Killing and Dying; The Secret Second World War Tapes of German POWs" reveals that German soldiers respected, later feared the ferocity of the Soviet soldiers. They regarded the Brits as equal opponents. The Americans however were regarded as less capable in battle than the Brits/Soviets, while making up for that with superior logistics and hence firepower.

tl;dr I would expect fighting to be not as easy if you don't have a good reason to fight

The Gnatzies were literally out of fuel for their tanks after the bulge.

I agree, even 10 minutes of an intense WW2 tank battle can make men break. No discussion there, but lets not forget that Americans, Canadians, Australians and Brits outnumbered the Germans both in tanks and manpower. Not to mention TOTAL air superiority and the greatest strategic bombing campaign in history.

Its like Saving Private Ryan.

>Was Dog Green sector Omaha beach really as bad as its portrayed?
Even worse than in the film, since literally 100% casualty rates were confirmed for the first landings there.
>Were all the landings in D-Day as bad as dog green sector?
Fuck no, not even 5% of beaches saw the intensity of Dog green.

So the point Im making is that yes, there could be a few instances where a few American tank companies got wiped out and morale was low, especially during the Bulge, but most American soldiers in the Western front had an easy road to Germany.

Can't argue with that since I was not there and haven't read any first hand accounts from American soldiers so far.

After all movies are much more a matter of taste or how close they come to our distant imaginations about the war than how close they come to actual events.

>As a German I found it above average until the Tiger fight.
this. when i saw the tiger, i really had to laugh. a tiger at this stage of the war would never looked like this out in the wild. germans used to repaint their tanks every time they changed the terrain and used to put their pissbuckets on the outside.

>A regular tank engagement over more than a kilometer away wouldn't be as spectacular a sight as the close range fight that ended up in the movie.
to think the tiger would not shoot the leading tank first is utter nonsense.

I think if a fucking M8 Greyhound could take out a Tiger, so could a Sherman.

>1944
>losing to a fucking M8
>as a Tiger

Well Ayer admitted just that. Pitt's plot armor saved the tank as usually in such an ambush the first and then the last vehicle were shot to trap the convoy.