How do we spread critical thinking skills to the masses, especially to the newfags? Without critical thinking and fact checking skills, our community will be destroyed by bait and raids, just like the rest of the world is being destroyed by bait and political lies. For example, this thread was posted today (in fact, it's still up with over 230 replies): Absolutely no one bothered to ask for a link, or do a Google search; it's a fake article someone edited with firebug or somesuch. Not one user called it out or even demanded a URL. Earlier today, we were raided by anons claiming that CNN was here, but not one of over 15 threads offered proof beyond screenshots of an article claiming that Trump got his Twitter image from Sup Forums (and not even THIS Sup Forums). Then they had you all thinking the Wikileaks JUST released some Clinton emails, but the emails were released March 16th 2016 -- several threads had you geniuses "digging" through her old emails, like they were new and we were gonna be first to find something. No one asked for proof beforehand, no one even bothered to read the dates on the email archive. Again, Sup Forums was gullible and gay.
How do we spread awareness of critical thinking, both to save ourselves, and to save the world?
we don't. Because we can't. Let the uneducated mass wallow in their filth.
Hudson Brooks
But even just letting them wallow eventually teaches them, just not quickly enough, or in a practical way that makes us strong. If we deliberately try to increase critical thinking skills, we become stronger as a united whole.
Lack of critical thinking makes the population of a democracy into slaves.
Samuel Barnes
>deliberately increase Sup Forums's critical thinking skills sounds like it would be easier to teach a herd of cats to march in formation and do rifle drills
Christopher Gomez
Rule one for Sup Forums should be to ask for a link. Rule one should also be to always check the date on anything posted.
I don't know if it's critical thinking so much as being too trusting. Everyone thinks we're all friends here who would never lie to each other. This is a completely false assumption. You should assume everyone is a sociopathic shill until proven otherwise.
Jacob Jenkins
I feel you user. I've been seeing it as well. The only thing we can do is have people like you be vigilante and inform others
Logan Lewis
>You should assume everyone is a sociopathic shill until proven otherwise. I think this used to be the norm, but we've experienced a flood of new anons an people don't realize it, because we never know the number of users on the board. I think I heard that over the last year its been something like 50,000 more unique posts on average. Some absurdly high figure like that. That means we've had our userbase and traffic more than quadruple without realizing it.
Evan Sanders
It is your sacred duty to redpill at least 1 normie.
Zachary Wilson
To be fair, nobody wants a link to fucking Salon
Carson Johnson
tbf, thats pretty much what salon writes about on a daily basis anyway.
Levi Foster
That's why you always demand an archive.is link
Isaac Martin
>democracy is good
>you have critical thinking
Jace Cruz
this monkey is gonna wonder how he did it for the rest of his life
Levi Martin
>democracy is good >you have critical thinking
Ethan Cox
>implying anyone argued democracy is good See, case in point. Also...shit like pic related is endless, 24/7 on this board. It's sad. Yes he will, we've seen it before:
The piece of paper looks photoshopped in. The motion in that gif is weird as hell.
Luke Robinson
Are you pro-Nato?
Then you are pro Globalist and therefore lack any reading-comprehension.
Ryan Evans
You remember when a fake CBS site said that El Chapo had escaped again a few months ago?
You remember how the entirety of twatter fell for it?
Don't blame Sup Forums for doing what everyone is doing. This problem is much larger than us. Hell, at least we'll read a link if it's posted.
Adam King
Hahaha oh wow. Seems they take our satire literally.
Who gives a fuck, we're having fun, no reason to stop just because some whinger doesn't approve of the way we are.
Jackson Williams
>critical thinking >Sup Forums good one
Nathaniel Jones
>Implying /pol knows anything about critical thinking
Joshua Morris
The sticky should be updated so everyone who is retarded can be sent to read the sticky. The current sticky is so fucking irrelevant and outdated I bet you have completely forgotten that it even exists.
When was the last time someone was told to read the sticky? When was the last time someone mentioned it or sent another person there?
UPDATE THE FUCKING STICKY
Nathan Evans
wtf i hate salon now
Brayden Sanchez
>Don't blame Sup Forums for doing what everyone is doing Sup Forums has always had higher standards; this is critical, in order for us to be the puppetmasters, the memers of memes, our bait must bait the heavens. Yeah, I don't think anyone actually knows the sticky exists.
Landon Garcia
Fine, so we can have higher standards, and still be mostly the same as everyone else.
Hell, at least we're having this discussion. Twatter was just like, "oops, lol. well we got trolled." and went back to being just as stupid.
Xavier Rivera
We shitpost anyway bro. Bait just gives us a direction.
I don't think anyone actually gets mad at bait threads. At least I don't.
No one wins
Kayden Young
No one actually cares about that stupid movie so people just ignore those threads other than the faggots looking to spam dumb threads.
Jaxson Brown
>No one wins That's the ultimate lesson of Sup Forums?
William Rogers
You are looking too deep into this my friend. CNN IS HERE POST YFW is just meming, it's nothing new. The same threads pop up after a shooting but on this board talking about the FBI coming here.
Nit picking a single Sup Forums thread isn't the same as looking at many threads. The topic was not even important, and not entirely unbelievable.
It's meme warfare my friend.
Jack Wilson
>It's meme warfare my friend. But who is the target, who is the enemy?
Jack Davis
>post yfw the enemy is yourself
Ethan Wright
>without realizing it. You haven't noticed how much faster the slide speed is and how many more doubles and gets there are in threads over the past few months due to how much more quickly the post numbers are increasing?
Isaiah Lewis
...
Andrew Peterson
Do you have any proof of this critical theory of yours? Checkmate
Ayden Russell
We call this trust. Also a lot of people post like they speak
Jacob Watson
Inventing fake news to ragejerk about is board culture. If you don't like that, you need to find a new place to shitpost.
Dylan Gonzalez
Are you raging about rage as board culture?
>Rageception.PNG
Sebastian Robinson
Its an image board, if you expect reliable news here you learned about in school before you started shilling you are a fucking idiot.
Carson Smith
This
Austin Taylor
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Dylan Brooks
I saw the thread and didn't respond ot it OP.
In defense I would assume it was real because it came from Salon which is a lefty click bait central that most likely gets more views from pissed of people who read their insane story titles then actual marxist liberals.
Second, and this is important, I never ever click dat shit.
The last thing I want to do is have traffic go to that website and when I see threads like that I jump in and ask for a mirror or a screenshot of article or comments etc.
The productive people of Sup Forums are busy in the Hillary foundation threads digging dirt.
The rest of the chimps are out playing in bait threads.
Grayson Torres
>The productive people of Sup Forums are busy in the Hillary foundation threads digging dirt. I question whether this is productive. Since the "FBI bro" threads appeared a few days ago -- with NO PROOF OF IDENTITY WHATSOEVER provided -- the sperg hordes have gone to work LARPing that they've been recruited by FBI renegades to help them catch Hillary. This is hilarious, because it's impossible that the FBI would do this. Not only would they risk their case against her by such a leak, but it's insanely unreliable and nothing we find could be used as evidence. Hillary could claim that the "racists of the white supremacist site Sup Forums" fabricated it, if it was even allowed by a DoJ attorney to be presented in the first place. The FBI would be shit down by congress for using Sup Forums to investigate something. What level of pure retardation makes anons gullible enough to think that anything they find would ever be listened to by credible normies, ever?
It's literally goobergate 2.0 to be that fucking gullible that the rest of the world would listen to any thing "dug up" by Sup Forums. It's funny, but in a way, it's also sad that people here are that autistic and gullible. I have trouble thinking that the anons who start this kind of thing are doing anything but laughing and getting high on baiting so many people.
Sup Forums is easily manipulated into defeating itself this way, into wasting its time.
In fact, for all any of us know, Hillary minions have baited us into finding "dirt" on her, so they can more easily shut it down. The FBI doesn't need us to investigate anything. They have maybe 5 people with IQs above 100 that are actually paid to dig through wikileaks, if they even do it manually, rather than have some programmer write scripts to scrape the site looking for keywords.
>post yfw Sup Forums would unknowingly work FOR Hillary if her shills told them they were working against here
That's literally how gullible we are.
Charles Perry
>How do we spread critical thinking Step one: delete Sup Forums from Sup Forums.
Landon Wright
>step one: spread Sup Forums to every other board by deleting it You deserve to be a mod, you think like one.
Zachary King
Yes I also question the legitimacy of the FBI shit.
There is still a chance it could be real there is no proof of the opposite. It's good that anons are digging through the emails and more importantly they are digging dirt on the clinton foundation and its web of donors and recipients. You should never rely on the government to do its job and "news" organizations have given up investigative journalism because they are a controlled medium. Smaller organization who want to dig deeper don't have the manpower and the funding to do so.
If it wasn't for independent judical watch groups the FBI might have just swept the whole thing aside because certain things would have been ignored by the public.
Hell even Google was covering for Clinton's ass by changing top search results for her.
The more independent people looking and pointing things out puts the FBI's backs up against the wall which is a good thing.
If they accomplish nothing at all they at least make Clinton memes for the presidential campaign.
Luis Robinson
You're shit, Wayne.
Grayson Robinson
This is a serious problem. I agree with OP.
I've seen at least 3 threads this week that had fake 404 links and still received serious replies. In the past I've seen those threads get up to over 200 posts with less than 10 of them calling out OP. It's fucking sad and it makes us look like retards as a whole.
Newfags are shit. So are non-reading fags. The worst fags of all are the dumbshits who reply to obvious bait and cuckposting.
8/pol/ tried to solve all those problems by banning retards, and it sort of worked, except now it's a shitty hugbox for Nazis.
Charles Thompson
Go to bed Wayne.
I know where you live faggot and I will come by and shit on your front door.
Cooper Robinson
Sup Forums just wants to discuss things Unless there is a confirmed happening it really doesn't matter
Landon Jones
I'll be honest, i sound pretty high and mighty criticizing these efforts. I wish we could find something horrible enough that it would spread like wildfire and people would ignore where it came from, but I know thats not how normies work. The fact that we find anything is enough to bury that thing just because of our reputation. We would have to be more subtle than that, spreading evidence silently via more reputable sources. But we would never do that. Anything we find we would shout and broadcast and try to use to get credit, because most of us are retards with no realistic appraisal of how the media or the normie world works. They would do to us exactly what was done to goobergate: >label everything we find "hateful conspiracy theory" and completely ignore it Prove me wrong.
Tyler Kelly
How?
Clinton already has the emails she has more access then anyone.
Do you really not think she has a team digging herself?
What would they dig for?
How is she going to find things in the email cache that protect her? If anons found something that some how magically helps her what would make you think they would bring it back to post about?
Are you a hill shill trying to use some reverse psychology? It's ok user. You still get paid but you might want to bail out now before the shit storm comes.
Josiah Taylor
>I've seen at least 3 threads this week that had fake 404 links and still received serious replies
i see 3 every 5 minutes mate
Caleb Myers
>That flag
It's most likely you create them m8.
Ryan Hughes
>Clinton already has the emails she has more access then anyone. Does Clinton know what's leaked on the Internet that might damage her from week to week? We do a decent job finding obscure things. I wouldn't be surprised if they noticed and decided the best way to neutralize us was to tell us we were working "against" her by researching her. We become their useful idiots -- you can't tell me we have a defense against this happening. We don't have a clue who we work for, and we pretend it's like this board is some super secret hidden place, when its completely publicly visible. Anyone could be here manipulating our efforts, and we wouldn't stop to ask. >Are you a hill shill ... I might be, that's the point. i might be working for the Russians, or the Mossad, or Obama, or Moveon, or Soros' Open Society Foundation, or Salon -- fuck, I might be some clickbait journo looking to trick some autists into researching my next story for me.
The point is you wouldn't fucking know either way, would you -- because you don't stop and ask questions about who is prodding you to do things. You just react, and always in the same LARPy patterns.
Mason Ramirez
Perhaps. I usually only skim the catalog for interesting threads, so I probably miss a lot of them.
>tfw at any given time there are at least 3 cuck racebait threads >at least
Right now we have the following ones: >A new generations of white sluts, feeling guilty for their ancestor’s crimes.. [etc] 42 replies >Why do black males dominate sports and we are afraid to admit it?: 66 replies >american whites of Sup Forums, how do you feel about soon becoming a minority in your own country? ["totally not a troll thread" edition] 25 replies >What do you think the future of crime is going to be? [OP image is cuck bait] 6 replies >Why are there more blacks in sports? [yes, a second thread on this] 55 replies
etc etc. I probably missed a bunch. Stop replying to them, you fucking morons.
Jaxon Foster
Literally 90% of the ppl on here knew the WL archive was old. The people who replied were newfags. The best way they can learn is to make mistakes like this.
/thread
Owen Bell
Good point, but I think pointing it out explicitly is what clarifies the lesson, because they don't always learn while spazzing the fuck out biting all the bait that gets poured on them.
Zachary Perry
Start a British branch of CCC.
Owen Lopez
Are you retarded? It goes right behind his fingers on the back of his hand. Literally the paper is still facing the camera when it "disappears"... you're not even Australian...
Oliver Barnes
>implying every deity is not made up.
kek is best god
Sebastian Perez
Clinton knows exactly what is leaked because everything we know has come from wikileaks and the FBI.
If we find something extra from a direct leak then it doesn't matter what the source is at all what matters is the material that was found. This applies to anything. Much like that time when someone got into Palin's email and spread it on Sup Forums. The materiel inside the email didn't matter to much because Palin was and still is just some country bumpkin nobody.
If the material we find is proof innocence, I hate to say this, then she should walk. We all know that she is in way deeper then just one little thing will get her off scott free. She is potentially breaking 3 to 4 laws here.
On the shill part. I didn't mean it to seriously but one can make assumptions based on how people post. For instance the way you type seems to indicate you have been here for awhile or you picked up on the community quick. Second the hardest time to tell if its a shill or not is when someone posts something so absurd like "I am an actual cuck and there is nothing wrong with that you biggots" it violates Poe's Law. All I can do is scratch my head and take the bait, if it is bait, and answer the person if I have the time and energy.
Elijah Cruz
Kek is as real as we are, because Kek is legion. We are Kek. We exist.
Jeremiah Davis
Your Pepe scares me.
Please don't post it no more.
Lincoln Evans
>one little thing will NOT get her off scott free.
Corrected, sorry about that its late here.
Landon Rodriguez
>Clinton knows exactly what is leaked She hasn't known what is leaked until after it leaked in the past. Wikileaks doesn't tell her beforehand. Assange recently announced new leaks to come, that's why they were baiting us with wikileaks nonsense earlier. >If the material we find is proof innocence, I hate to say this, then she should walk. So you're fine with us being used for any purpose then? I'm not. >On the shill part. I didn't mean it to seriously but one can make assumptions... My point is that security culture demands a certain level of rational paranoia. As a community, we used to have this, probably because we used to have more actual people with information and computer security experience. We had actual security cutlure. We don't have that anymore. I WANT people to be rationally and methodically paranoid. i want people to demand proof, to treat everyone like a liar or potential enemy. That's actually a sign that we're behaving in a healthy manner, like an immune system. We currently lack this. If I have to, I'll bait and shill and cause chaos until people are paranoid again. We all should do this. sorry, Kek is a terrible god, behold him and be afraid
Parker Nelson
This is how I've approached any interaction on the internet since my teenage years spent on battle.net. Didn't take long to figure that out. Also, everyone on the internet is a guy, don't even bother asking for proof if they claim they're female, just always assume everyone is male.
It's served me well considering how many times I've seen pathetic turbo virgins and tough guys get pecked to metaphorical death by the rabid flock of seagulls that is internet 'culture'.
Dylan Gonzalez
Um, you're talking about a board that is literally founded upon not fact checking anything and just believing random rumors with no evidence. Why would you ask for skepticism now?
Logan Watson
you speak truth, this used to eb the typical attitude around here, maybe as late as 2014. Our membership has grown too quickly, and we're losing our wisdom. We must fight to train newfags. >a board that is literally founded upon not fact checking anything and just believing random rumors with no evidence This is what happens when the newfags are neglected.
Xavier Bailey
Sup Forums was formed as a board of peace, friend.
Owen Myers
I dunno man; most threads I see of actual consequence people ask for a source or immediately go about debunking it. All these garbage threads are the real problem...
>How can 'x' compete >'x' completely BTFO >What did they mean by this >It really makes you think
No additional content (against the rules) and the threads get filled with 100s of replies.
There was a thread earlier today on All Baghdadi's goals/endgame. Replied to OP about psyche analysis, found paper comparing him to All Zawahiri...nobody else replied. Meanwhile 5 Ghostbusters posts and other bullshit ran rampant. Decent threads get slid, constantly.
John Bell
>This is what happens when the newfags are neglected.
No, this is what happens when you have a board that is occupied primarily by people that think there is an organized invisible jewish hand involved in swaying every world event based on their gut feelings and internet infographics. People that overwhelmingly believe the holocaust didn't occur because some basement dwelling fag said he was an independent scientist and his "findings" say it was all a lie or something.
This board doesn't have an ounce of skepticism in it. It runs contrary to their entire belief system, so why even attempt to get these people to be skeptical? They can't even get past confirmation bias.
Cameron Barnes
Im not saying our purpose is to find innocence. I am saying our purpose is to find information. I can say with almost 100% certainty all of us are looking for some sort of dirt. Even if the stuff is old there is a lot of it and when it first came out I didn't personally see a lot of people digging through it. People just seem to be doing it now because the deadline is getting close and its look now or never look again because whats the point.
Yeah people around here need to ask real questions when supposedly real stuff comes along. I think people have just gotten lazy about it now. I'm not sure if there is just way more traffic here now or a lot of the old users have moved on or what but it is what it is for now. If people get tricked enough it will change the culture back in the future because hey sometimes they just got to touch that hot stove to learn the lesson.
Praise Kek
Ryder Ortiz
Sup Forums has become Sup Forums sans dickrate threads
I blame Trump
Christopher Brooks
>All these garbage threads are the real problem Yes, the mods are against us, more than ever before. Since Sup Forums harbor, most of them are hardcore SJWs. They intentionally leave these rule violation threads up, and ban users for reporting them. We exist in an Occupation scenario. I'm sorry you were lost to us user, all newfags are precious. Your abortion will not be forgotten, F to pay respect. >I am saying our purpose is to find information Again, becoming useful idiots is a real concern. Without some kind of immune system, we become a tool in the hands of our enemies.
Praise Kek, mein bruder.
Christian Smith
Literally only a retard would care about Ghostbusters or Hollywood garbage so who cares?
Julian Turner
A few weeks ago we had some threads discussing this problem. Mods need to being back sage indicator so it actually means something. I did see quite a few bans in the past 24 hrs for pointless fuck/race-baiting nonsense. Unfortunately they didn't lock the threads in place for all to see.
Jackson Wilson
Found Schlomo Goldstein.
I love when people bring up the holocaust meme because they act like you should believe it because they said so.
In science if you claim something you have to prove it. The evidence for the mass extermination of the Jews is shaky at best.
David Bailey
>invisible Its not invisible, no one ever said it was invisible, that is why there is so much evidence, people try to make their conspiracy a secret using lies, but secrets and lies are not real, the evidence of secrets is real.
Adrian Watson
>I'm sorry you were lost to us user, all newfags are precious. Your abortion will not be forgotten, F to pay respect.
See, can't even say shit, just some stupid meme bullshit and a frogpost. You're every bit as stupid as the rest of these fucking idiots that make kneejerk replies to obvious bait.
Enjoy your cesspool, because you're a part of it.
Jayden Cruz
We need to lobby for critical thinking to be taught at high school or maybe even earlier, the masses wont take it on board unless they're forced too.
I've always argued that we need a class that teaches first of all critical thinking, the nature of evidence and belief, how to form formal propositions and truth statements and formal arguments, and also how to spot fallacious reasoning in formal arguments, and learn about the types of fallacies both formal and informal.
Adrian Hall
>Lambright has always been a faggot ftfy
Jose Ortiz
If I were trying to shitpost Sup Forums to oblivion I wouldn't just drop the
>what did they mean by this
type threads into the board, I'd have my shill accounts posting copypasted responses from earlier, essentially forcing seeming discussion until a real one took over.
Charles Rivera
Sup Forums and most of Sup Forums is all about swimming in a pool of shit. You learn to love it or hate it but there is a reward once in awhile when you reach the other side of the poo pool.
Learn the culture. It's not yours to shape faggot it's your job to conform and learn.
With that said.
Don't let the door hit your ass on the way out.
Andrew Turner
This monkey sure did look impressed...
Kayden James
>Enjoy your cesspool, because you're a part of it. you too mein bruder, your salt is precious
Noah Morales
Look how many pasta threads there are...hell, there is even one for meditation.
>What does Sup Forums think about meditation >Same pic of chick under waterfall
Twice a day, at least.
I'm not suggesting a calculated/coordinated effort; I'm saying people constantly shitpost slide threads for various reasons. Maybe they think it's funny. Perhaps they like getting a rise out of idiots. Who knows? But it is happebing, as it always has; we just used to ban/delete threads a lot more.
Xavier Martin
>our community will be destroyed
top kek
Samuel Baker
critical thinking take too much work, id rather spout bull crap for hours on end. Hahaha you can't stop me whoooh.
Thomas Jackson
I've had thoughts about this issue before, I do believe there is a problem. Our amount of new posters is constant and appears to be ever increasing and I agree with OP that this is an issue. Education is paramount in discovering and distributing the truth, and it has become significantly harder than even the last election cycle in the US to accomplish this due to the fog of the media and their ties to government, corporation and their respected narratives. However what I appear to see is that the media has had a greater exposure to the normal individual in the last few years in part because of technology becoming closer to us but mostly thanks to the ongoing development of social media. Couple this with human laziness and you can see how many think things that are simply untrue and thus become 'useful idiots'. I'd say it is still slowly on the decline with regards to its power and will never return to a full monopoly/oligopoly of different biases infighting that only represent controlled opposition and that is because all people have a platform now if they seek it. We can speed up the rate of which the mainstream media has its decline by pointing out inconsistencies and examples of bias whilst supporting alternative media and thus decentralizing information. More importantly one could spread the notion of being most critical of ones own beliefs, this has a powerful effect if believed and sets an individual on a course of locating the absolute truth. Many of us do this autonomously but there are also many people who are new users and those outside of this place that have no concept of this. Not only do we vote with our money but we vote with our beliefs and where we get them from. This is why truth has the most importance. And the truth has, these days become illusive and difficult to locate, this is why we are relevant and why the world needs us.
Tyler Bailey
What some nigger actress says is not in anyway important enough for me to research. What the fuck are you talking about?
First of all Stop talking about ghost busters...Stop giving that SJW nigger film free advertising.
Second kill yourself for caring about salon article sage
