I don't get it. How can so many people hate Nigel Farage and the brexit movement?

I don't get it. How can so many people hate Nigel Farage and the brexit movement?

I've spent many hours listening to all his speeches, debates and interviews. He's so incredibly forthcoming, human, and knowledgeable. He's clearly not a racist, and his logic is rock solid. I haven't seen him approached with a single argument for leaving that he did not have an answer for, and most of the time he proves right away to know the arguments against him better than the people making them.


Where did this youth hatred for Farage and his supporters even start?

Sometimes it feels like the people who hate him have never even listened to what he has to say.

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he's a glorious shitposter

>muh feelings are more important than your logic

What can Nigel do?

He doesn't have the time or energy to deal with emotionally retarded leftists.

Too many people are what's known as ignorant - they like to be part of the sheep crowd and therefore agree with the media on everything.

The media, shockingly enough, hate Farage because he rocks their cushy boat too much.

>I don't get it. How can so many people hate Nigel Farage and the brexit movement?
>Where did this youth hatred for Farage and his supporters even start?
Simple the establishment did everything it could to paint him as a disgraceful racist to protect their own interests and as the youth/libtards are collective minded fucktards who mindlessly peddle whatever the lefty media tells them it stuck. We also have a great deal of the over simplification strategy of putting everything into love and hate categories which young people are very susceptible to so alas Farage is painted as hate because they can't digest sensible long term suggestions and just gravitate to whatever makes them feel best ie hippy bullshit. Pic related leftard who can't even grasp that Farage isn't an mp or involved with the negotiations so whether he stays or go's at this point is irrelevant.

Yeah but my Facebook friend put up this post that said he was racist, so beat that you right wing bigot.

>I've spent many hours listening to all his speeches, debates and interviews.
Well that's the thing. The ones who hate him have never listened to any of his speeches or even know what the EU is.

Many, MANY remain voters were on google searching for "what is the EU?" the day of the referendum.

Because anything lefties dont like is "racist"

>What can Nigel do?
Well, he did manage to give the people with a less than favorable view on the EU a voice, against pretty much the whole establishment (for the longest time at least, towards the end some started to support him).

That's a pretty big achievement.

>Hating on the Nige

Bunch of cucks

He can be a jackass:

youtube.com/watch?v=bypLwI5AQvY

They hate the truth.

Yes but now it's in the hands of the MPs, specifically the Conservative party.

I realize you probably know this but it's amazing how many young Brits don't know shit.

Perhaps we do have a lot of influence after all.

All these articles going
>first he wreaks havoc and then he leaves
are making me mildly upset.
He worked on this for twenty years and has been pretty open about the fact that he will resign once the UK has its independence back. The only thing they could argue is that he has stepped down too soon since article 50 hasn't been triggered yet, but anyone who claims that this was an unexpected move simply did not pay attention.

Generating PR is pretty easy when your "opponents" are a news network that is continuously losing trust among the viewers.

He's a dick, and that's all people see. They ignore his arguments because his personality is abrasive.

Also social media echo chambers.

One of the few Brits I talk to says even though he voted leave, he doesn't like Farage because he's basically a tory in disguise. Claims he's for the 1% and all that. I don't really see how that can be the case, considering how much anti-banker rhetoric he spouts.

I don't know enough to prove him wrong, though.

>Tory
>1%
What you have there is a buttmad labour supporter, my friend.

He's right. That's one of his best moment. Fuck off, cuck.

Politics 101: Do not vote for a politician who will have no responsibilities after the vote.

I don't get it either. How have people not learned to not vote for things one politician tells them that he will have no active role in.

This is so dumb. What did anyone expect would happen? Did he ever go on television and say he wanted to be PM after the brexit? No. Did he ever publicly announce that he would take any responsibility in what happened after the brexit? No.

I have no idea why people voted for a dude that not even once said he'd take responsibility for the aftermath of that vote. Even Trump said he will build a wall AFTER he became president. Farage did nothing of this sort.

Complaining now is a bit silly.

In case you missed it, the referendum was on the UK's EU membership, not on Farage.

>I have no idea why people voted for a dude that not even once said he'd take responsibility for the aftermath of that vote.

I thought the voters are responsible in a democracy.

Also your argument is weak.

Who knew French people could be so ill informed.

But he was right. Just because you're rude doesn't mean you're wrong.

Farage is literally a banker from the City.

Its too bad he isn't racist. We need a racist leader in this world.

Tory is one of those words retarded liberals use because they don't have arguments.
It's like calling Trump a racist or a fascist. It means nothing. You just say ''tory'' and that's it. What you say is valid because you said ''tory''.

Hillary Clinton is a bloody fooken tory, m8. Me fookin welfare mate tory. Tory. See? It's easy.

>banker
Are you just pretending to be retarded, toothpaste?

As much as I like him, and as much as I like this independent move of Britain I have to be realistic. From strategic point of view he set UK into a downfall. That was the plan of Germany from the beginning and the creation of a strong united europe IV-th reich is imminent. This will probably cause the shift of borders in Europe and will probably mean the war with Russia or partitions of Poland in the near future. USA will not react until Russia is heavily weakened so it would accept a truce. The cost of it will be joined operation against China.

>Sometimes it feels like the people who hate him have never even listened to what he has to say.

you just answered your own question op

Oh, I'm sorry, a "trader" in the City.

Leftists are sheep. Once you fully accept that their psychology is easy to understand. They are herded by the media and once the herd knows what direction they're going they go in that direction no matter what the facts and evidence say. They think if they just keep trampling in the direction they are told that they will be safe.

>The only thing they could argue is that he has stepped down too soon since article 50 hasn't been triggered yet
As he isn't an MP it wouldn't make any difference at this stage and farage has said if the negotiations are wank which includes the triggering of article 50 he'll essentially be back.

Still wrong retard.

Because anti brexit people don't listen to him, they listen to their friends who say "hey man, if we leave we aren't part of the group anymore!!! It's going to hurt the economy!!!!" And then they're anti brexit. That's how much thought goes through some of these peoples brains.

I've not found anything he's ever said that can be construed as racist. Unless someone has a video of him saying pakis and blacks out?

He just uses common sense. His stance has always been, we want to control who comes in - there's nothing racist about that, this country is stacked to the brim with unskilled EU migrants working in Costa and Pret, all it does is push wages down and make it harder for me to be understood when I ask for a FUCKING LATTE.

The uk is not in downfall, europe is.

>Sometimes it feels like the people who hate him have never even listened to what he has to say.

You answered your own question. He and his party are equated with Nazis, when they're laissez faire capitalists who don't think open borders is a good idea.

>On leaving school in 1982, he decided not to go to university, but to work in the City, trading commodities at the London Metal Exchange.[13] Initially, he joined the American commodity operation of brokerage firm Drexel Burnham Lambert,[15] transferring to Credit Lyonnais Rouse in 1986.[15] He joined Refco in 1994, and Natexis Metals in 2003.[15]

>Complaining now is a bit silly.
This is true, but Farage never said he would run for PM. He stood down from UKIP to give the party a chance to rebrand and gain some momentum for the next general election. He knows he has a stigma attached to him and UKIP can only get so far while he's in the party.

People dont hate him. Just the germans... and the european parliament.. and the megacorps...and the media.

>Nobody else here is both democratic and an opponent to the status quo. Fucking nobody!

It's even worse than this, i had a leftard call me racist,xenophobe etcetc for supporting farage and when i asked her if she at least had a rebuttal or argument instead of insults she just said "so you expect me to just agree with you?", that's how retarded people are now.

>"so you expect me to just agree with you
She wanted your dick, user. Women do that shit all the time.

>and the media.
He had dinner with rupert murdoch who helped us win. It's only the regressive leftard media like the guardian and the independant who hate him.

Thats because people automatically associate you with the far right, because extremists always make this their flag. Also, the EU liberals (both left and right) always take advantage of that and openly enforce that idea in order to confuse people.

I wish It would be this way. You don't see it yet because it's not obvious. Once Germany will seal all of the trade in EU against you you will be only dependent on China and USA and they will economically use it against you because you'll have no other choice. Germans will start to degrade you economically until you'll collapse or be destabilized. You will then either accept their rule or be insignificant.

>Sometimes it feels like the people who hate him have never even listened to what he has to say.

Welcome to politics of the 21st century.

most the kids are just scared

they listen to the bbc who make him out to be a monster

everyone over the age of 25 loves him

Absolutely, now that the racist, xenophobic thing has less clout the new strategy of the left is to label absolutely everything "the far right".

>you will be only dependent on China and USA
Nah we already have trade deal offers flooding in from malaysia, australia and other commonwealth countries as for Germany they are crippled by their own car industry and will have no choice to deal with us favorably unless they fancy mass unemployment and a massive drop in income.

They can't. Our imports from the likes of Spain, France and Italy are significant enough that it would effect them should it disappear. Coupled with the fact that these countries would see more of their weekly EU membership fee disappear because our contribution has vanished, and you start to realise why are Nige is right when he says you need us more than we need you.

LOL kill me. Give me the sweet release.

How so? Politcally it's fine, whereas Britain is now rudderless. The Euro is doing fine, the pound is at a 30 year low.

>Give me the sweet release.
No
you canadians need to suffer

If Germany tries to cut off all trade they'll be shooting themselves in the foot, a huge portion of their industry relies on exports to the UK and any offensive action they take will simply turn more people against the EU.

I hope you are right, but experience is telling me that Germans had it all figured out from the start and you have fall into a sophisticated trap they've set. They are sneaky cunning bastards.

Not if they will takeover all of the trade from you.

I can't imagine only one thing - the long-term perspective of Europe. Nationalism and national states in Europe is not something new, that status quo always tore europe apart, and all the ideas how to battle it failed. Alliances didn't work, treaties and pacts didn't work, balance of power was not a solution but a temporary measure to maintant peace.
I feel like Europe has just lost a century of progress here, because national states in Europe like in the old days is a lesson learned.
Another thing: like it or not, globalisation is not happening - it already happened. Britain chose to ignore reality for now, and I'm really curious with what solution are they going to come up with in years to come.

>Politcally it's fine
In what reality is this the case? The project is failing and we are seeing representatives from almost every country demanding referendums on membership to which the response will be an attempt to try forcing the superstate through to eradicate the dissidents, politically it's fucked.

>the pound is at a 30 year low.
The pound is climbing pretty well atm.

>but experience is telling me that Germans had it all figured out from the start and you have fall into a sophisticated trap they've set. They are sneaky cunning bastards.
Fear not because in case you hadn't realized this country has a habit of beating Germans.

the eternal kraut will strike again

Germany has no power over you anymore. Also you have an army and they don't. Their oppinion now is second to yours.

You are free of the bosch and its ruinous project. Now you should show that its possible to live without being chained to the euro (or even be more successfull than them!).

Thats why they hate you. They sense the beginning of the end.

I've been saying this for years. Lithuania is a leftist shithole. You people are fucking insane.
Why does everyone lump us together? We're nothing like you.

>this country has a habit of beating Germans
Except when we shoot ourselves in the foot.

I don't even have a gun to shoot myself

Perhaps, but like I said beforehand it'd ruin their image along with the EU's, and ought to redouble the Euroscepticism that's risen across the member states.

There were like 1,000 total searches as far as I know. That's literally nothing compared to 15 million/17 million. Correct me if I'm wrong though, I don't know how to check google search numbers. I just read that somewhere.

Read a book or two.

Britain is cutting corporate tax to 10% as a measure, which would be the lowest tax rate in the developed world (Germany's is 30% for comparison). More likely Britain will steal industry from Germany.

It's in nobody's interest to engage in a trade war, which is why it won't happen. Too many jobs and profits on the line.

But no one is even close to do shit towards art50 and meanwhile the UK is still a happy member of the EU. Literally nothing has happened. No one wants to be the one to pull the trigger because they all know the consequences.

Besides he was a MEP and Brexit was a internal UK thing, so he also didn't do shit. He simply didn't want his face to be the first thing people have in mind when the shit hits the fan (that is, the UK starts negotiating its way out)

I think that at this point I would not matter anymore. There will be no one to oppose them and not even one government will try to stop them. They will have economical and military advantage so everyone will just stay low.

*It* would not matter anymore

hes raycis waaaaaaaaaaaaaa

>No one wants to be the one to pull the trigger because they all know the consequences.
I wish foreigners wouldn't comment on things they don't really follow. There are five people right now competing for the PM position and even the ex-remain candidate is saying she will trigger article 50 eventually.

Corporate taxes are only part of the problem; the convoluted tax system with VAT exemptions makes the UK system a fucking minefield. As a Kiwi there are few things that as a society we get right but out tax system is one of those things that nailed during the 1980's although even as a centre left person we need to simplify it more which would remove opportunities for people to dodge taxes whilst ensuring that those at the low end can keep more of their money.

You are talking about a situation when trade will be allowed between UK and EU. No one will go for UK if EU will put embargo on them.

What book, retarded leftie?
What book is going to prove to me that globalism is the solution to the endless globalist wars?
What book is going to prove without a doubt that the nationalist states are the problem, and not the hundreds of wars starter by globalists who want to unite Europe by conquering it?

You retarded lefties never have an argument. It's just ''read a book'' and ''wow, just wow''.
Not everyone agrees with your retarded ideas. Get used to it.

>Britain is cutting corporate tax to 10% as a measure
>starting the damage control so early on

Jesus these people are scared shitless aren't they?

>eventually

> Embargo

Will not happen, we're talking about tariffs. Worst case scenario is preferential status under WTO rules. That tax reduction would wipe out the tariffs to UK business already, and we'd profit as a country on tariffs on EU goods since we have a trade deficit.

What's more important to the UK is the financial passport.

Because faggots like this bitch literally cannot even because it's 2016

youtu.be/nf_FJkP_sQM

Hah, that shut them up.

I knew Farage's son before Nige was UKIP leader. Farage is not 'one of us' but a dyed in the wool city boy with an arrogant disdain for ordinary people.

Brexit was a personal campaign for him, there was no altruism there.

>I knew Farage's son

Oh no way me 2 yo

Two key reasons.

1. The British don't tend to do extremist politics
2. Our media is absolutely brutal

Since Blair (1997) neither major political party has pushed hardline conservatism or socialism. And throughout the century we've never had a dictatorship or revolution. As a nation we're incredibly weary of extreme point of view. Farage is incredibly boisterous, anti-EU and nationalistic. This has appeal but makes him inherently toxic to a lot of the public.

Our newspapers are brutally opinionated and have allegiances, and will do anything to discredit opposing parties. Even though Blair and Thatcher have scores of popularity, they are the devil incarnate to the rest, and constantly smeared by opposing press in revisions. Farage is very much the same, he's been pummelled with accusations of racism and lying, a lot of it has stuck.

Also worth noting, our voting demographics are incredibly tribal, loyal and often politically illiterate. Explaining the flaws of the EU from a law-making, sovereign perspective is a tough ask and can come across the wrong way often.

The tax reduction will cause budget deficit and the tariffs (if they are dumb enough to implement towards the EU) plus the weak pound will mean inflation, as it happens with net importers.

Any book on European history for starters. Then post WWII history and situation, balance of power problems, EU project. Don't assume that everyone is an idiot.
Globalisation is not a proposal, it is a process which is on its finish line - like it or no.
The thing is that Europe never managed to maintant its stability. As I mentioned, national states simply did not work. Another conflict was simply a question of time. One of the goals of EU was to adress this problem. With this idea slowly crashing, I'm really interested what will come next. If there is nothing there except same ol' borders and nationalism, it is a step back indeed. Europe been there too many times.

Germany has managed to destroy almost entire industry in Poland and we saw it only when it was almost finished. By that time people were so brainwashed that they didn't actually considered it wrong. Right now most of them realized that we have a postcolonial status. We are in services now and we are very slowly rebuilding everything. You can trust me, that Germans will at least try to marginalize UK and they will slowly try to cut you off. Mark my words.

The idea is to incentivise more investment despite the uncertainty.

> if they are dumb enough to implement towards the EU

This is the worst case, so there's be tariffs between the UK and EU. I do not believe this will happen because it would literally cause another eurozone crisis. A FTA will be agreed.

His actual job was a broker, trading commodities doesn't make you 'a trader' anymore than buying toothpaste makes you a toothpaste trader.

If you disagree with the statement above, please explain the difference between a broker and a trader.

>Many, MANY remain voters were on google searching for "what is the EU?" the day of the referendum.

How do you know it was a majority of remain voters. You're making some pretty big assumptions.

so many bullshits in one post, I can't handle this
www.youtube.com/watch?v=6yzcf_eGUKM

>I do not believe this will happen because it would literally cause another eurozone crisis.

I want to believe this too, although the FTA is not enough if they want to prevent the financial system to run away. They need some EEA kind of deal, which means accepting the four freedoms and quite a good cuckening in terms of regulation.

That's the most likely scenario, I think

lefties are retards and they will hate, harass maybe even physically assault anyone they're directed towards

They already achieved this in the UK. Our entire manufacturing economy was gutted by the nature of the single market which is tailored to be a protectionist enormous supply of consumers for German industry. Most of our economy is financial services now.

One of my hopes is that British manufacturing can be re-stimulated outside of this environment.

I don't assume you are an idiot. You are an idiot.
The conflicts come from globalist assholes like you.

Nation states are always going to have small scale wars, like re-conquering territory that has historically belonged to the nation.
Globalists are what escalate these conflicts and cause world wars.
Globalists are the people who invade Middle East while roleplaying the global police.
Napoleon Bonaparte wanted to take over all of Europe and unite it under one flag to ''stop the conflicts''.
Communists wanted to take over the world and form a one world government because ''communism is the future, it's only a matter of time before superior communism takes over''.

People like you were wrong then and you're wrong now.
The only solution to our problems is more nationalism.
You can have your globalist world, but keep us out of it. You saying that we will have to eventually join doesn't mean we have to give up our right to our self-determination. You can shill your globalist views all you want, but at the end of the day Lithuanians and Latvians are NEVER going to get together, which is why we have our own countries. We are right wing gods, you are lefty degenerate losers.

They might propose making London a SEZ subject to EU regulation in exchange for the financial passport. There are ways to work it.

The banks themselves do not want to be in Europe under the ECB. Britain negotiated exceptions from EU financial regulation which allowed the banks to remain in London under the BoE while offering their services to the single market. There are so many advantages the financial sector gets from being in London, they will do whatever they can to protect that.

There is a hope that we will manage to create some form of Intermarium + UK and China. But I guess China would much rather trade with EU then with us. We will see what's going to happen, but it doesn't look good.

This, really. The failed EU members (which is over half of them) only wanted the UK to stay because they're one of the biggest contributors. That's why many of them are assblasted that the UK left because their gibsme are going to be significantly smaller. That's why during the referendum, there were many foreign agents (from failed EU members) helping the Remain side--their meddling didn't do shit.

All those signs of desperation of the failed EU members is a sure sign that they need the UK more than the UK needs any of them, and this could be used by the UK to their advantage, somehow.

The question is will the UK politicians fuck this up and waste this opportunity? You know what you need to do.

>lativa
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>Where did this youth hatred for Farage and his supporters even start?

Corrupt bias media that brainwash's the stupud Leftist retards.

> The media, shockingly enough, hate Farage

Did you know half of the country, including newspapers, supported brexit?