To what extent is ISIS a genuine political movement, rather than just a religious fanatic organization?

To what extent is ISIS a genuine political movement, rather than just a religious fanatic organization?

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ISIS is actually following a pretty standard interpretation of the Quran.

This filthy apostate might watch his mouth before they come for his head too.

never forget the almighty graph when normies start to shill

to the extent that it's funded by US, Israeli, and Saudi interests to destabilize political opponents

Read this and be enlightened

theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2015/03/what-isis-really-wants/384980/

Also a redpill was the jihadi response to the article. All these dudes saying "you were right but westerners don't want to believe lol inshallah"

Shia vs Sunni
Islam found a way to even be violent against itself

ISIS represents Islam.

This. Even if ISIS doesn't represent Islam, hundreds of millions of Muslims hold savage, subhuman beliefs that are the complete antithesis of core Western beliefs.

This debate on if ISIS is political or religious is a dead end because its both.

It's an Islamist group, a merger of Islam and the state. There is no secular authority. The caliph serves as chief religious and political authority and administrates the state through a literal interpretation of the Quran.

People join both because their current political sucks and because they agree with its theology.

Of course the only reason it still exists and has not been crushed by the west yet is to destabilize Syria.

they are the project mayhem of islam

ding ding ding

>second holiest
So is there like, a competition to decide? Does allah say which one? Is there a third holiest city?

>Mao just killed 60 million Chinese people in China, during the Cultural Revolution.
>Dont ever say that Mao represents the Chinese people.

3rd is the dome of the rock in Israel

Islam is one of those religions where you proclaim a holy spot on top of the Holy site of your enemies after you kill them and convert/rape their wives and children.

Dat +6 faith per turn tho

I'm afraid this is a heavily skewed sample, mate. They didn't even survey any western Muslims. Check the source.

lol

>16 million western Muslims is enough to skew a population of 1.6 billion

wew

ISIS is more Muslim then the hypocrite muzzies they kill.

We should also note, that all muzzies have a chance to go hardcore. When they believe the shit they read.

Given you meet somebody who is Muslim in America, the data you cited will not apply. Simple as that.

You can get similarly shit results if you take a survey of "all humans".

ISLAMIC STATE
ISLAMIC
ISLAM

they just follow the koran

ISIS represents Islam

It does apply to Muslims from outside the US that want to come here like the so called """"refugees"""".

Trumps ban when?

>ISIS just

ISIS didn't claim responsibility though

ISIS represents Islam.

ISIS is the true representation of islam. It is a holy thing to kill heretics during ramadan, esspecially if they are occupying mecca

the data is usually cited to justify Trump's Muslim ban and support the claim that ISIS is Islamic

It does not apply to secular western Muslims which is why there is separate polling data that determined two thirds of Muslims in America are fully assimilated Americans that happen to be Muslim.

ISLAM is a political movement, son.
And you best get to understanding that.

Half of British muslims want gays to be executed.

gatestoneinstitute.org/7861/british-muslims-survey

How the fuck can a city be "in" islam. Its a religion not a fucking place

This is such a strawman no one is saying this they are saying Islam in general as a whole is fucking backwards.

Stop lying, fucktard.

ISIS is almost exclusively based on Hadiths.
It would be like blaming the Pope for a group of Christian terrorists that base their actions on fucking Gospels.

Reminder that to this day ISIS have only fought battles against muslims.

Ah right!
Kill all sunni muslims for they are the problem
We gotta have the right sect of islam to kill

>pope and christian terrorists

Except that this doesn't happen

ISIS is to Pisslam what the 1st Armored Division is to the US Army...just another unit belonging to the same entity.

What a stupid question, op. Islamic State? They are a governing body with courts, administration, bureaucratic hierarchy, code of laws, military and territory.


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Their interpretation of the quran is actually literal

Therefore they are somehow not muslims

>to what extent is ISIS the CIA and MI6?
>100%

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>ISIS is almost exclusively based on Hadiths.

IGNORANT FAGGOT

Islam = Koran + certified Hadiths

read before you post

>Implying Western Muslims are real Muslims.

Nah.

Yet it happens with ISIS even if they're disregarding most of the Quran.
As I said Hadiths are as muslim as Gospels are christian.

I'm not muslim but I'm fairly educated on monotheistic religions.

ISIS is just a part of islam but the fact that it is directly tied to the religion can not be ignored.
There's no such thing as "real" islam since it is a self identifying ideology. If someone claims to be islamic then they are.
ISIS does represent islam just like every other islamic sect does and until they start self identifying and segregating themselves we can not just fight ISIS, we have to fight islam.

Terminology: admissible and inadmissible hadiths[edit]
Main article: Hadith terminology
By means of hadith terminology, hadith are categorized as ṣaḥīḥ (sound, authentic), ḍaʿīf (weak), or mawḍūʿ (fabricated). Other classifications used also include: ḥasan (good), which refers to an otherwise ṣaḥīḥ report suffering from minor deficiency, or a weak report strengthened due to numerous other corroborating reports; and munkar (denounced) which is a report that is rejected due to the presence of an unreliable transmitter contradicting another more reliable narrator.[37] Both sahīh and hasan reports are considered acceptable for usage in Islamic legal discourse. Classifications of hadith may also be based upon the scale of transmission. Reports that pass through many reliable transmitters at each point in the isnad up until their collection and transcription are known as mutawātir. These reports are considered the most authoritative as they pass through so many different routes that collusion between all of the transmitters becomes an impossibility. Reports not meeting this standard are known as aahad, and are of several different types.[15]

Some hadith are also called hadith qudsi (sacred hadith), like Ziyarat Ashura[citation needed]. It is a sub-category of hadith which some Muslims regard as the words of God (Arabic: Allah). According to as-Sayyid ash-Sharif al-Jurjani, the hadith qudsi differ from the Quran in that the former are "expressed in Muhammad's words", whereas the latter are the "direct words of God". However, note that a hadith qudsi is not necessarily sahih, it can also da‘if or even mawdu‘.[38]

I like ISIS more and more every day

>bombs christ cucks and moderate muslim cucks all the same
>wants to destroy degeneracy and feminism
>burn numales and behead liberals

Why Sup Forums hasn't joined ISIS yet?

ISIS is genuine Islam. The real thing. How are you not shill if you do not see this?

Which parts are they disregarding?

This post is literally meaningless. My point is that they're disregarding most of the material while justifying every terrible thing they do with virtually useless unreliable Hadiths.
And no, there's nothing official about Hadiths, so you can just pick the ones you like and do whatever the fuck you want, even if it goes against most of Quran, according to ISIS.

You guys are so full of shit, you talk all day long about muslims and yet you've never fucking researched anything.

But it's LITERALLY in their name.

Otherwise you're referring to a qt egyptian goddess that's been dead for at least 3-4 millennia.

Islam is a political and religious fanatic organization.

Underrated.

How are they not a political movement while they function as a state?

ISIS represents Islam.

Imagine a gathering of polacks gathering to join ISIS unit. I'd wager they'd put about half of us in their IDF leading to dank memes and more recruits arriving than ever before and the other half would go rampage as combat units that would actually not be utter shit, establishing white only villages.

> To what extent is ISIS a genuine political movement, rather than just a religious fanatic organization?

about |-----| that much.

Terrorists based on Gospels? Have you read the Gospels? Impossible to mix Gospels and terrorist unless working for Satan. Satan?

The problem is, Saudi Arabia is extremely sunni. And ISIS is alsoba sunni movement.

Islam is a religion stuck on the middle age, you can see this talking with any "moderate" muslime.
Only people that defend religion of peace, never has been near a muslime for more than ten minutes to take some photo for their kikebook or shitter.

>Defiled the holy well
>Destroyed the Cube
>Took the Black Stone

Is this a fantasy novel?

>And no, there's nothing official about Hadiths, so you can just pick the ones you like and do whatever the fuck you want, even if it goes against most of Quran, according to ISIS.

read the book I pic_related.

When major historical scholars agree on a Hadith, you can't reject it, it's solid proof.

It's then written in Islamic teachings that "All scholars agree that ..."

IT;S YOU WHO KNOWS NOTHING ABOUT THIS.

That stuff about "there are many schools" is bullshit fed to stupid kafir like you to fool them so that they do not research it.

THERE IS A CORE BELIEF of Islam, that can not be removed or reformed.

People who say ISIS is Islamic: Men with degrees in Islamic study
People who say ISIS is not Islamic: Redditors

At the risk of falling for the college meme, I think the guy with a degree in the subject knows more about said subject than the guy without one.

>Different sects of Islam don't exist

Implying muslims don't hate other religious muslim sects like the sunnis and shias or whatever the fuck their name is.
Not remembering the feud between catholics and protestants that almost ended up with Guy Fawkes blowing up the houses of parliament in a terrorist attack
Propagandist horse shit

How the fuck can Harrison Ford be "in" Star Wars? Its a movie not a fucking place

Read Stephen Coughlin's Catastrophic Failure.
ISIS is not fanatic at all, they are squately in line with the Ikhwan, with which they are in conversation, not in an irganizational sense but in terms of Islamic political plannjng, in other words, as a movement.

Entirely. Islam is fundementally political.

Jesus Christ went on a bit of a rampage in a temple in Jerusalem so I guess he doesn't represent Christianity either.

Islam for the purposes of the Ikhwan and ISIS is a totalitarian political situation. A city can be in Islam in the sense of having all the boxes Muhammad set out checked -- no women outside the protection of a husband or relative, no non-Muslims except in a state of humiliation, etc..

This. There are many schools, but the only ones that enjoy widespread adherence are four in number, and really three, and even this is academic, because they agree almost all the time. There is definitely a consistent Sunni consensus most of the time.

Literally No True Scotsman Fallacy: The Post

Why are muslims so based?
I want to remove GAYBAB too

Final word on ISIS:

originating from Muslim Brotherhood teachings

they see the rest of Muslims as not pure and falling away from faith.

their ultimate goal is to conquer the world, but first they must conquer the Muslim World under one totalitarian leadership.

therefore other Muslims and governments are under great danger from them, because they will kill all current elites.

which means that Obama is smarter on this than Trump, because if the West declares ALL ISLAM as the enemy, ISIS will gain GREAT STATUE as a unifying force.

the problem is that all other Muslims and their elites also want to conquer the world, but not with ISIS leadership.

so the West must trust noone.

You have to go back, Ahmed.

The West funded the Muslim Brotherhood
Die Schlomo

>Why are muslims so based?
Islamism is far-right religious fundamentalism. Of course you'll like that.

This is actually the reason I want to see Islam exterminated.

>ISIS will gain GREAT STATUE as a unifying force.

That would be fantastic are you stupid. If all the muslims of the world unifyed into one and declared non-muslims as their enemy, then there will be nothing stopping non-muslims from finally genociding them completely. The only thing stopping it now is dumb leftists who think muslims are human. Get all muslims to declare war on non-muslims now so that we can get rid of them once and for all.

>1 post by this ID

Everything about islam is unreliable as fuck and was only written down years after mohammed. Even while writing down the quran they had problems with people telling them all sorts of contradictory shit.

Of course they justify a lot by citing hadiths. That's literally one of the reasons they exist. They also use the sira. They only time they go "against" the quran is if it is internally inconsistent about the issue at hand. Then they obviously use abrogation and don't really go against the quran. It's just another instance of the quran being shit.

Does it even matter that it's unreliable? Because even if it were reliable not much would be different because it's a reflection of the society it originates from and as such should be pretty close to how it would be if it actually was reliable. It's just a bunch of barbaric horseshit that should be at most part of ancient history, but nothing more.

In reality the retarded governments of so many western countries instead help that ass backwards ideology spread like a fucking malignant cancer that's migrating everywhere and then grows and ultimately kills the host.

You cant get rid of ideas desu

This, the Muslim Brotherhood from its founding said that there goal was the creation of an Islamic State. This is why ISIS calls itself that. No existing governments at the time (notice, including Saudi Arabia) met the standards.

But does the west actually have the will to fight the entire Islamic world to death?

Ofcourse you can, see Egypt, they used to believe in a bunch of different gods, now no one believes that same goes for every extinct religion. Its easy to kill an idea, destroy everything that supports the idea, like the Quran and Mosques, oppress everyone who continues to believe in the idea, and kill everyone who refuses to let go of the idea.

Alright then, show me which quran verse says you cannot attack a holy city for jihad purposes

Ofcourse, if they declare themselves our enemy.

Saudi Arabia makes deals with Westerners and permitted foreign occupation of Muslim land. They're not Sunni at all by ISIS standards.
The problem with OP's logic is that Islam is totalitarian and maximally intolerant -- if the most Muslim person on Earth does something wrong, he's an infidel.

it was created in 1928. The West did not make it.

some gov'ts may have given them some money, but they are not a Western fals flag. they are authentic.

nobody needs to genocide them, the rest of the world would not allow it, China would not. You would not get the liberals on board with that programme.

the best we can do at a LOW PRICE is to contain Islam in its present lands and quarantine it. everybody would agree to that. Just let them live like Indians in their desert preserve.

p.s. Pakistan and possibly Iran has nukes. Don't give them a reason to use them. we want to get out alive from this.

>Muhammad was a warlord
>Muhammad raped a little girl
>Don't ever say that Muhammad represents Islam.

To the extent that they and many who prescribe to their ideology commit terrorist acts?

it's fake

that mosque was going to be reformed anyway

they are lying

and also dont talk to my wife and her black kids like that ever again

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>PANC
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>EGGS
>FRIED EGGS

magic

>It would be like blaming the Pope for a group of Christian terrorists that base their actions on fucking Gospels.
The Gospels are the essence of Christianity though.

It would be a war, if they all said they're apart of ISIS, the group that's constantly blowing up people all over the world, then it would be justified in murdering them all and everyone would agree.

We already had them contained to their disgusting sand lands when we won our war with Islam in like the 20s but nooooo faggots let them spread into the West again with mass migration. This latest migration spurned on my Angela Merkel and the kikes behind her is just more evidence that they need to be gassed.

People need to remember that Mohammed was basically just a warlord who had no path to succession in his tribe and needed a reason to upset tribal law and order to be considered legitamate. He came up with a whole religion using concepts from other religions in the region but mostly based on Abrahamic faith that granted him authority to go out, conquer and rule the Arab world.

What ISIS is doing is pretty muh the MOST ISLAMIC thing you can do. It's like Christians being crucified by Rome or fed to lions for refusing to give up their faith.

How would fundamentalist Gospel terrorists kill? By getting slapped in the face too hard? Force feeding the poor?

Why would the fact that you maniacs also love to massacre each other excuse the daily crimes committed by muslims against "infidels"? Anybody who knows anything about the muslim world knows you've been killing each other since Mohammed died and a power struggle ensued.

But I can promise you this: If you were only killing each other and leaving non-Muslims alone, we would have no problem with you doing whatever the hell you want in your shit hole countries.

Happy now? Can't wait till next Ramadan this one was a real blast. The whole world is a little better acquainted with the death moon cult now yay.

This.
We need to spread the concept of a stand down rather than a false flag. A true false flag is fake. A stand down is where the group is real and known to the government, but the attack is permitted so that the government can exploit it for unrelated purposes. All of these attacks are stand downs. Even the migration in the US and EU is an example of standing down. Governments are pretending they cannot enforce existing law or maintain borders (which is normally fatal to governments) so they can dilute the constituency and bring in totalitarianism.

> WBC follows things said in the bible
> WHAAAA! THAT'S NOT CHRISTIANITY!

> IS follows things said in the Quran
> WHAAAA! THAT'S NOT ISLAM

Are people just retarded or do they intentionally ignore facts?

I would ask what the mosque was preaching and if they were in fact to blame for incitement.