As the title suggests. Ever since the Battle of Sacramento, I've been inspired to try and join one of these groups to actually combat the degeneracy that's affecting this nation.
But, after reading the traditional youth party's web page, it looks pretty shit. Unimpressive to be honest. But after looking at the Traditional Workers website, it offers a more professional look, yet I'm unaware of how effective they are.
Are there any Sup Forumsacks here who are members of the Traditional Worker party?
What can you tell someone who's interested in joining?
What do you guys do? The website says' you have members running for local offices, but the website doesn't go into much detail beyond party platforms.
Hoping to hear some good stuff. (Websites if you're curious) tradworker.org/
Honeypot. Ever wondered how a NEET like Heimbach gets to travel around the country and always gets so much press even though his group only has like six people in it? There's a reason why none of the alt-right people want him at their events.
Christian Edwards
Wait what?
Honeypot?
God dammit, you shitting me mate?
Carson Hughes
It's not a honeypot. The only real confirmed honeypots nowadays are the KKK and the Nazi Party of America. Tradworker party is pretty alright. The American Vanguard or REACTION is probably better though in the long term.
Jackson Cook
None of those I can find on google.
American Vanguard takes me to a website selling crops.
REACTION isn't showing up. Is that the one on Instagram? I used to follow them, but not much was going on.
Okay, pretty big site going on with IronMarch. And yeah, you're right with American Vanguard not necessarily finished.
Holy shit guys, this is a pretty big thing. Can any one come out and vouch for some of these organizations? There was a Klan thread on here a while ago talking about honeypots, and I can't get the worry out.
Ian Gray
They did a great job fucking up Antifa but Heimbach just isn't (imo) presentable and articulate enough to be a good figurehead if nothing else. I don't think he's dumb, but he doesn't come off great.
Also, anyone have a spare TRS forum invite please?
Chase Price
Yeah, that's pretty much what sparked my interest in getting myself involved. But on a different note:
What's a TRS invite?
Excuse me if I'm coming off as newfag here.
Kayden Foster
KKK and American Nazi Party are honeypots. Ironmarch is a good start to finding groups, organizing, discussing etc beyond Sup Forums. TheRightStuff is also good.
Adam White
Full of Feds f.a.m. this.
Nicholas Martin
Yeah, I'm gonna give their forums a look. Some interesting guidelines. (No Sperging, No Furries). T b h, sounds pretty solid so far.
Really? Why would Feds get in fights with commies/leftists? At some point, they just have to question the purpose.
Kevin Thomas
>Really? Why would Feds get in fights with commies/leftists? At some point, they just have to question the purpose. Are you retarded or just a shill?
David Edwards
Lets assume the first.
Brayden Martin
The degenerate skinhead look was invented specifically to descredit nationalism.
Take the biggest idiots you can, dress them up to look like thugs and put them on TV.
TRS are fucking traitors for drawing attention to themselves during this election season. Heimbach is either a complete idiot or controlled opposition.
Jayden Anderson
>EVERYTHING IS THE FBI
Seriously fuck off. Hambach couldn't even make it to Sac for his biggest event so far and I know he is not afraid of violence. AFAIK he drove to everything and it's well known he's broke and has trouble getting work.
Gas is not that expensive and even the people who think everyone is a plant thinks that Heimbach genuinely sacrificed a lot for whatever it is he does. Also, when has he EVER advocated for violence or been over-the-top with ridiculous WN speech?
He stays fairly moderate on the issue of WN. Tired of this fucking renegade shit calling everyone a Jew shill.
Joshua Reyes
And with TRS i mean TWP
Sebastian Cruz
Seriously, formal, organized militias and hate groups are all the FBI. Remember, the basis of our revolution was to not have a formal militia with a centralized armory.
Leo Parker
And I agree 100% about the Skinhead aesthetic. It's full fucking retard and while I commend the Sac TWP people, they're dumb for presenting that way.
Don't have to go full Spencer but being a skinhead is a terrible optic left over from decades ago when WN/Neo-Nazis had (outwardly) no substance or nuance other than stomping niggers.
Asher Harris
It's just another skinhead/white nationalist/neo-nazi rebrand.
We get a new one every 2 or 3 years that thinks IT is going to be one the one to FINALLY get mainstream support. It never works. No matter how tap dancy you word it, eventually you have to say you are white nationalists, and everyone realizes you are no different that every other fucking group.
Couple years ago it was the NWF. Now its this. Same shit, different smell.
Noah Moore
That sucks ball mate.
When will America ever be great again?
Do we just have to pray that Trump wins, and years down the road we MAY get a White Nationalist President?
Ryan Baker
What is your end-game OP. To live in a white nationalist society or change the US into a white nationalist one? The first one is a hell of a lot easier. Just move.
Jackson Thompson
White nationalism can be sold (we're almost there). Maybe in time even NatSoc.
But what never, ever works is the skinhead look. It's poison by design.
Aaron Wilson
>Overton Window to the Right
That's what 'we're' doing right now, why we support Trump, etc. Get people talking about Demographics, Crime, Immigration, etc.
Hell, there's even serious divisions in the Left which a year ago I DID NOT think was even possible. Some of them are starting to realize the Left does not care about Whites at all. We're at the tipping point and all we can do is shift the political narrative to the Right, which amazingly, has gone incredibly well since Trump came along.
I have a little hope for the first time that the winds are actually shifting and the Left is losing people who would previously never stepped over the party line. Bernie did a lot to help Whites realize they're not wanted and Clinton is, well, Clinton.
The Left is in the worst state it's been in a long time and for fucking one, the Right can go on the offensive and potentially rout some of the core Marxist philosophy.
Chase Brooks
What if a red pilled mom white wants to join one of these groups? Like the Trad workers party. I was thinking of making an apt right group where I live, but idk how I would go on and start it.
Carson Martinez
Change man. Change.
I can't be proud to be white, without pissing off my own liberal mother. Can't even find people who share my traditionalist view.
Asher Ramirez
To live with a collectivist mindset is to live a collectivist lifestyle. The basis of this collectivism is the socialization within it that happens, it's going to be hard but you're going to have to try to find people who share your ideas while also are sociable and aren't totally radicalized. Which is hard to begin with because it's a radical idea. If you're pissing off somebody with an opinion, it usually isn't their fault, so maybe try boasting about being white to another, more well receptive audience and try to iron things out with your mother.
Andrew Long
I see what you mean. And I don't got any issues with my mother, but in relation to the news coverage for the Sacramento Battle, just mentioning how White Pride is important made her go off on a tangent. /Blog over/
But I see the importance of finding like minded individuals. Hence why I'm trying to find a group like this.
Josiah Martinez
Wow, the tradworker party seems great. Thanks OP, I'm buying a year's membership right now.
Jose Cook
This isn't the thread for ironic shilling
Lincoln Nelson
Fuck off, kike puppet.
Gavin Murphy
Not an argument.
Landon Ross
Americans are mutts. Only way to attract traction is to promote miscegenation to make one American race or something. Nobody cares about "racial purity" or "racial hygiene" whatever you call it in USA. It's really a fringe group.
Elijah Diaz
the leader looks like a spic or mulatto in hiding (Craig Cobb type)
Isaac Mitchell
I see.
What's the most powerful Far Right group over in your country? I understand at least, that Serbs are more of a unified race than others.
Isaac Taylor
He's not the most attractive man t b h.
I was kinda surprised to see him be so chubby. Like, god damn mate, do you even comprehend the idea of the ubermensch?
Colton Fisher
His dad did the same kind of groups and philosophy he espoused over 30 years ago. His dad was involved in offing that kike Alan Berg too.
He is controlled opposition and a retard.
Read the thread on MyPostingCaredr
Xavier Thomas
Hey guys I am with the American Vanguard. We are hardline National Socialists and we are not going to tolerate any of the bullshit that the other groups have been pushing the last 60 years. We refuse to dilute our message at all and are going to change the perception that "neo-Nazis" are all meth addicted skinheads. Expect us in news next week ;)
Basically, social conservatism is still strong in Serbia as is national pride. Only problem is ruling party which just uses populism and does not do anything.
Lucas Hill
Interesting.
Where do you fall in Serbian politics? Are you "Far-Right", or more in the middle?
Evan Reyes
I actually voted for "It's enough - Restart", a centrist party because I think SRS is controlled opposition at this moment. At least "It's enough" movement is purely anti-particracy even tho they're a bit liberal.
Asher Butler
Thanks for answering my questions. I never hear much news concerning Serbia in the States.
Jayden Gomez
One of the few interesting threads on this board due to sliding, bump
Ayden Moore
Thanks mate.
Have you any experience with "Far-Right" groups in general? I know a lot were named in this thread, but not many said they were in em.
Thomas Morris
That sounds great, good luck guys!
Remember to be cozy, nothing sells like cozy.
Tyler Flores
Not too much in particular. But I do enjoy trying to learn more about the various collectivist left and right systems and see what makes people want them, and the political climate necessary for these radical changes to happen. It's fun.
From what little I know, collectivist systems usually arise in times of economic turmoil and current leadership is either ignorant, evil, or a combination of both. Learning about replacing the old guard with the new through violent means and the various means behind them fascinates me. But honestly, I don't know if America has, or will ever have the proper political and economic climate in order for such radical things to happen at the federal level. I'm an individualist so I could never go through with trying to implement a collectivist system, but it's always nice to know how things work.
Jason Reyes
We all lead secret cells to be activated when the interference subsides. We also represent all the groups but I am the leader
Grayson Watson
I appreciate your neutral observations. In your experience, do you for see a swing in politics? Though you don't agree on a violent, force full, transition to be possible. Do you then, suppose this change to happen through peaceful, democratic means?
Easton Gray
Too spoopy for me lad.
John Kelly
this is good stuff
Parker Lee
YOU FAGS BETTER NOT ASSOCIATE YOURSELF WITH THE TRUMP TRAIN.
Hunter Rodriguez
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Jackson Ramirez
I promise to ignore you Leaf.
Robert Peterson
I see a swing to the right regarding economic freedom, but traditional culture may wind up going the way of the dodo. Technology plays a HUGE part in this role the way I see it. It's just too easy to overindulge, and too hard to find a way to subdue people to stop them from overindulging. The internet, phones, all of that. Constant stimulation is giving a larger amount of the population that taste of freedom to do as they wish, and as our founding fathers warned, it's very hard to subdue the will of the people.
The United States will most likely fall before it reverts back to a fully traditional culture, because that would involve violence because liberalism is too deeply rooted and intertwined into our country. Most of my thoughts for collectivist systems are meant for implementation based on how and if they work in the US though, so some of my general statements absolutely don't apply to another country.
Anywho, the way I see it is that culture reflects economic prosperity, and a part of that traditional culture was most people usually having a low amount of material things but a strong social bond. These days, we have plenty of excess and social bonds have been weakening as things are becoming slowly less and less meaningful.
Logan Moore
Trump is a conservative. He isn't a white nationalist. Ethnonationalism doesn't make sense in america, it never has and it never will. How many years and how many iterations of this movement have been through? It doesn't work because the political culture in america, the founding culture, is based on economic agency, and the freedom necessary to maintain it. economic agency at the end of the day cares not for one's skin color or ethnicity, but the right to trade.
Again, even when America was a fully traditional culture (in 1776 lets say), the tradition was freedom to associate, freedom from tyranny. Read the federal farmer letters. Fascism only worked in europe for a reason.
Xavier Morris
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Jackson Fisher
capped
Jonathan Morales
Heimbach would be alright if he didn't LARP with whacky ideologies so much
brb putting a confederate flag next to my orthodox christianity next to my early 20th centry labor movement
Asher Martinez
>American Vanguard Corporation is a diversified specialty and agricultural products company focusing on crop protection, turf and ornamental markets, and public health applications.
Benjamin Rogers
So if I understand your wording correctly, the eventual march of progress and modernity will always erode cultural traditions, as the bonds which kept men and women together would be lost with societies easiness.
Trust me, I understand Trump isn't the God Emperor destined to kick the darkies out of America. I'm a hardcore Trumper, but I don't have delusions of who the man is, ideologically.
But in regards to your point, I agree that America was founded on a sense of Independence, and the right to self rule, and self-government. Our first iteration of government was a Confederacy. However, as a Fascist myself, I do not see trouble with independent nations in open trade and dialogue with one another. My issues lay in the fact that the American people (using 1776 as template) were primarily WASP. Only in the instances of the 19th century will we see the breakdown of the American culture.
I'm always happy for a chat, but let's try and keep the thread on topic please.
Lincoln Fisher
They're going to open their stocks in the vegetable market next week mate. It's gonna be YUGE.
Christopher Myers
Here is the problem: as a fascist you seem to ignore the seeds of your ideology in history. The seeds were sowing in europe for european soil, fertile to that political climate and culture. WASP culture is still the culture we are reproducing today in totality. WASP culture, pre-victorian sensibilities, victorian sensibilities and post-victorian anglo culture is still with us today. Notion of codified speech, of egalitarian values, of freedom and independent, of equality of man, of individual meritocracy. This is still in America and in the anglo world today.
The 1776 template was not about 'race', or even about WASPs, read the federal farmer. Read the letters of the founding fathers. It was enabling man to realize their ability.
Trump is going to bring darkies into the fold. Trump and conservatism as a whole, as did the founding fathers, viewed see a threat to society as connected to the economy and self-determination. Fascism doesn't make sense when the major right wing political philosophy for the past few hundred years was anchored on those premises.
Americans are nationalistic, democratic and individualistic.
Fascism depends on nationalism, and the ability for the people to be ruled by a king/leader like figure (not going to happen in a country where even in religion, the baptists are varied) that justified the legitimacy of their authoritarian rule as they taking a paternalistic role in achieving the good for the people. Even the federal farmer warned about how people in the 13 colonies couldn't even agree.
America is athenian, it has been since its founding. Everyone in our society (i'm american btw) wants our government to represent us. We want our guys in, we never defer judgement of those who govern us by believing that somehow they are making the best choice for us as a people. (1/2)
Aiden Long
"To be clear, this is not to suggest that in similar circumstances, a person who engaged in this activity would face no consequences. To the contrary, those individuals are often subject to security or administrative sanctions. But that is not what we are deciding now." - James B. Comey, FBI Director
Related video that I really recommend listening to when you get the chance: youtube.com/watch?v=HMi072Ae_0w
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Brody Evans
This is can't be fixed by replacing our desire for representation with a desire for ethnonationalism, because the underlying logic of the political system is still there: representative government.
Fascism depends on a totally different template. Not even the confederacy offers you an 'iteration' of the government you seek. The confederacy would/could have changed the stance towards slavery if different economic conditions arise, making those minds fertile for anti-slavery rhetoric. There is no hero/leader worship in confederacy political culture anymore then there is in the greater american political body. This is what you fascists need: a leader worship culture and this is what fascists found in europe.
America is too democratic. Too aligned to the whims of the population, to the rhetorical forces of speech, to moral egalitarianism (if it wasn't, leader worship, monarchy, nepotism would have found legitimacy) .
Christopher Cruz
ty leaf ty
Tyler Ortiz
conclusion: america can never be fascist. the political culture, the culture of america, is athenian at its core. The only question is what in the american political culture is considered 'a citizen', a rightful participant of that culture and the nature of egalitarianism is .
Fascism will delegitimize the right. JUST FYI.
Landon Jackson
>SRS is controlled opposition >DJB is not >DJB literally controlled by International Republican Institute
Carson Baker
>1 post by this ID
Remember to ignore these shills, OP. They're here to cast doubt and create division.
Join them, engage with them and see how the group suits you. We're all in this fight (against Marxism and degeneracy) together, regardless of which 'alt-right' group you support.
William Lopez
I'll keep that in mind straya.
Pretty comfy video. 8/8, would do my homework while listening to.
You are a good sport when it comes to making an argument leaf/burger bro. However this is where I find issue in your argument.
>Notion of codified speech, of egalitarian values, of freedom and independent, of equality of man, of individual meritocracy.
While a fair point, we forget that the WASP identity is essentially British in origin, and from this even they themselves still have the leader worship/monarchal support that we can still see today. And though I suspect I did not clarify my original post, my statement on the nature of the WASP culture falling apart is the over whelming multicultural state the U.S finds itself. In fact, even the concept of leader worship can function in the U.S at this time, when see how the common citizen saw the founding fathers.
>Trump is going to bring darkies into the fold. Trump and conservatism as a whole, as did the founding fathers, viewed see a threat to society as connected to the economy and self-determination. Fascism doesn't make sense when the major right wing political philosophy for the past few hundred years was anchored on those premises.
Conservatism is but a minor form of Authoritarianism and Far Right ideology. And in my own post I admitted that Trump isn't the man who matches my ideology to the T. None the less, the ideology of Fascism is indeed in leader worship and a strong state. But you so easily state this has never been present in the U.S. Who was T.R? Kennedy? Jackson? FDR? The concept of leader worship is widely present in the U.S, admittedly not to the extent of Europe. Also, self determination and economic freedom are strong central tenants in Fascist ideology. Consider Hitler's version of it.
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Landon Rodriguez
>Fascism depends on nationalism, and the ability for the people to be ruled by a king/leader like figure (not going to happen in a country where even in religion, the baptists are varied) that justified the legitimacy of their authoritarian rule as they taking a paternalistic role in achieving the good for the people. Even the federal farmer warned about how people in the 13 colonies couldn't even agree.
I agree upon your definition of Fascism, yet when it concerns the Founding fathers, you must understand that the term "Mobocracy" was used in determining what the new nation would be. To the U.S, the nation must be led by an educated populace, with a heavily staked connection to the state and her fortune. Landed, Literate, White Gentry were key in this aspect, and in a sense, we see a miniature form of Nobility. So on your next point, when discussing America as the Athenian city, I counter that we are more prone to seeing our leaders as caring forward us, or "paternalistic".
>Fascism depends on a totally different template. Not even the confederacy offers you an 'iteration' of the government you seek. The confederacy would/could have changed the stance towards slavery if different economic conditions arise, making those minds fertile for anti-slavery rhetoric. There is no hero/leader worship in confederacy political culture anymore then there is in the greater american political body. This is what you fascists need: a leader worship culture and this is what fascists found in europe.
Fascism depends on the central leader. Even now we see Obama expand the executive powers, far from what the Founders saw fit. However, even on this note, the wording of the Constitution does demand that the President possess energy, speed, and efficiency. Qualities characteristic of the Fascist system. And in respect to the early American Confederacy, I offered that as a point for America being an independent and unruly alliance of states. (2/2)
Hudson Anderson
>WASPS
Wasps does not mean they are inherently pro-monarchy because they are British. The pro-monarchy loyalists have left the 13 colonies, lets not forget that. WASP culture as a culture had within it all the seeds necessary to produce america. The moral and political philosophy, those seeds were there. They even had strains that enabled this egalitarian philosophy you consider the cause of our issues. The fact that WASP culture was british by origin does nothing to invalidate the fact that those WASPs in the colonies were anti-monarchy. It also goes further to ignore and mistakenly confuse a genealogy with content of the culture. WASP culture which gave us the 'liberal arts' education, the notion of education through canon, the attachment to enlightenment ideals, to mercantile ideas, those found fuller expression outside of Britain than in Britain. Again, WASP culture as existed in America is not a culture that enables worshiping of leaders. The best proof lies in understanding the history of whom are the WASPs, they aren't aristocrats, they are the ones who scuffed at offers of selling peerage.
Again, the WASP culture is resistant to fascism (education ideals, economic ideals, how it arose due to trade outside of the british aristocracy).
And as for the worship of the founding fathers. Their worship is inherently different from the worship necessary to facilitate legitimacy of the next great leader. It's an appreciation of hard won rights.
>Conservatism
American conservatism is by no means authoritarian. This is a huge misunderstanding of conservatism in america.
>Mobocracy nope. This is a flat out error of your understanding of history. The founding fathers respected the athenians but feared how the athenian whims were quick to change and directed by emotions. The founding fathers sought a form of governance that was immune to the mob. Again, its in their letters and in their discussions.
Dominic Campbell
>Constitution, obama, rest
None of this addresses how you are only touching shallow interpretation of details. Fascism depends more than a strong leader. It depends on worshiping of the leader. It depends on an inversion of what is the american political culture, and by extension the culture and history of the WASPs (who weren't the nobility, or those who held titles, whose attachment to english culture is their reaction to it; there is this wonderful painting of a british noble asking an industrialist to marry his daughter in order to trade cash for titles).
Again, this is why fascism will never find fertile soil in america. Its very apparent, just look at where it its seeds (you guys) were successfully sown and developed into viable fascist movements.
Our political culture, our history (I'm american, not Canadian) is a reaction and a rejection of the British aristocracy.
Levi Ortiz
Fascism will never exist in a political culture that originated from WASPs (which is a culture of rejection of british aristocracy, of embrace of liberal arts, of enlightenment ideals, of mercantilism, of egalitarianism and of individualism).
I highly doubt hitler wanted in any real way economic independence for individuals. The WASPs would revolt against the government controlling their economic interests (this is a reaction/rejection of the british charter framework).
It is utterly ludicrous to think fascism seeds can take root in america. Every single aspect of our culture is deeply rooted in the pillars of wasp culture. You may not see it because you are obsessed with race but it is with us.
Wyatt Young
Here again I find issue in your argument. To you, the origin of WASP culture (which in the name of simplicity I shall call American, as opposed to British) is in our eventual split from the British monarchists/loyalists at the end of the revolution. To you, this is the foundation of which egalitarianism and other "liberal" attitudes. However, basic history shows that egalitarianism would not take center stage in the world until the French revolution (1789), versus our own (1776). But I digress.
The main point I find myself in opposition is in your steadfast belief in the idea that the American culture as a whole to be entirely alien to Fascist traits. At this early point in time, the idea of equality in which we know are non existent. Men only have the social and political power if they are simply in positions that some would see as Nobility or aristocratic. Washington himself married into the Rich Aristocracy of Virginia, as well as the Founders themselves can be seen as such equally. To the point, we did not have the basic sense of liberalism that the French would evolve at a later point.
But on another point, your statement that American culture lacking the Leader worship so integral of Fascism is strange. Appreciation of hard earned labor is one thing, (The Self-Made Man for example), but there have been cases of the American culture as a whole idolizing the Presidency as a whole. And in terms of Leader worship being prevalent to cement legitimacy, then simply look at the tradition of "First" in American Gov't. So great was the peoples love of Washington, that no President since FDR broke his tradition of 2 terms.
You're a good talker my friend. But it's getting late. I'll only address this point. Sorry. :-/
Sebastian Price
>Egalitarianism...
wrong. so wrong. John Locke, and magna carta, the english civil war. This is what you want to pretend as non-issues. As somehow this isn't part of the cultural memory of the wasps. That somehow the royal charters, the notion of taxation without representation is meaningless. History has shown that there was a strong cultural strain in British society before 1776 that found illegitimacy in the monarchy and found legitimacy in the tenets egalitarianism.
>You cannot believe america is steadfast against fascism.
You are connecting surface details. The whole culture of the founding fathers, the whole reaction of the founding fathers against what was then the contemporary politics of britian inoculated, whether explicit or implicit, against reproducing the conditions of britian in america. The liberalism did not come from the french, it existed before. The proto-liberalism, the egalitarian pillars, that these people sought against what they saw was unfair rule of british was a continuation of what has happened in britian. The reason the outcome was different is largely because america was a colony.
Connor Wilson
>'First' hero worship
that shit doesn't translate to a leader/hero worship necessary for fascism and you know it. The type of worship necessary for fascism to exist is to imbue the individual as the protector of the volk. The founding fathers inoculated against this by incorporating into their persona as defenders of the people to represent themselves. Hitler could never function in an environment where the conditions of worship is dependent on how well hitler represents the individual.
You need to re-examine your historical knowledge and understanding of American culture. There are massive holes. Self-Made man is the ingrained cultural value that one does not need to become great through the state, through nepotism, and each individual through their own work can better themselves. The self-made man is not the fascist ideal, it is oddly in its selfishness inoculates people from fascism. The fascists on pol even admits this: the self-made man thinks about his own well being and economic well being at the cost of the volk.
What is idolized here, our myth of our founding fathers, are heros who are heros because they fought against those who sought to infringed on individual destiny, which is an enlightenment ideal.
I doubt I can convince you how fruitless fascism is in America compare to other countries in Europe.
Alexander Roberts
Speaking of which, are there any other Worker Parties in USA?
Not him but have you taken a look at Trump general? It's entirely possible for Americans to hero worship
America has all the unique characteristics that would make our fascism work, manifest destiny and American exceptionalism being the two crucial points of this.
The reason our fascist movements have never taken off is because our nation has been prosperous and safe for literally its entire existence and its hard to redpill people under those conditions.
Landon Lewis
how do you know the american nazi party is a honeypot? and there are many KKKs, which are you talking about
Lucas Rogers
I am a Trump supporter. I know you fascists, and the greater alt-right, see him as someone who will invigorate growth of your political ideology but hero worship in america is different than the sort you need for a fascist leader. Also America was under attack by the Japanese and lived under constant threat of annihilation throughout the cold war. Nationalism in america is deeply intertwined with individualism and WASP core values. The american nationalism is inoculated against the possibility of fascism because it is tied with defending freedom, and liberty and a way of life that revolves around individualism.
Even when America was closes to annihilation (in the cold war) americans sought to preserve liberty, capitalism (fascism cannot function in a capitalistic society where control is not under state control; if it did than the notion of the volk/people in said fascism would be just hot air), their way of life.
Fascism only will be embraced where the soil is fertile. Fertile soil is not in nationalist movements (america is very nationalistic), nor is it in race supremacy (racism exist in america), but where the countries have a history of allowing the government to be paternalistic. The same political cultures that are vulnerable to fascism oddly enough are vulnerable to socialism.
Jayden Reyes
Such BS.
Fascism on marriage: > state dictates the ideals of marriage
Fascism on health care: >single payer health care, basically socialized medicine.
Fascism on money: >devalue currency as having any external value outside of labor. Destroy the capacity to raise capital and hinder the ability of the industrious the person who can make the most of currency by highly regulating it (c.f venezuela).
>taxation socialism, let the government tax you to benefit the 'volk' even if the tax (btw you are doubly taxed because of your labor value is dictated) hinders your ability to better your family and desired way of life.
fascism is pathetic.
Carter Morgan
America was explicitly founded as a white country for the white race. All the founding fathers would have been surprised that anyone later is making any other claim.
All of the "proposition nation" bullshit was made up by (mostly Jewish) Marxist academics in the 1960s and it's a complete falsification of America's original founding purpose.
>just trivially move to a nationalist country if you can just move there it isn't very nationalist
Luke Russell
Bump
Isaiah Robinson
The idea of a traditionalist Orthodox movement in the US is great. That movement being spearheaded by a fat stormfaggot like Heimbach is not great. It could maybe be saved but it would take a mutiny and a shift in direction.
Carter Walker
How does the Traditional Workers Party feel about the Roman Catholic Church?
