1963

>1963
>Soviets put missiles in Cuba
>Americas response: I'M GOING TO START FUCKING WORLD WAR THREE IN A MINUTE!!!!DWEAHUDFJISEDFG

>2017
>America puts missiles directly on Russia's border
>Russia's response: "Can you not?"
>America's response: "HOLY FUCKING SHIT ARE YOU JUST FUCKING ERECT FOR WAR MONGERING YOU FUCKING CUNTS!>??"?"!"

It's also pretty ironic that America accuses Russia of expansionism while they have missiles actually on Russia's borders, not a satellite state or on an island near by, but actually directly on their border. Thousands of miles away from Washington D.C.

So Sup Forums, when did you realise America should probably pack it in?

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*blocks America's path*

>Freedom in the American dictionary
>"Whatever the fuck I say it is."

that's right you fucking commie

delete this you peasant. that was a political war fought by politicians that wasn't a real loss

Remember that the Soviets stationed missiles in Cuba because the USA had done that in Turkey a few years before.

what else were we supposed to do? they were threatening us!

*teleports behind America*

They were threatening you by starving to death?

>it wasn't a real loss
Of course it wasn't. It's was only a war that was detested the world over. Britain wouldn't get involved, Americans protested it and Sweden even felt compelled to send aid to the North Vietnamese.

Also you did lose because the objective was to remove the communist government from the North and prevent another Soviet/Chinese stronghold in East Asia. America didn't reach that objective.

>implying there was famine in the USSR after the 40s

And also because America did a 180 on their "no commies allowed" and tried to buddy up with the Chinese during the Soviet-Sino split to obviously put nukes there.

Nuclear Ballistic Missiles != Missile Shield.

>1962
>American put missiles in Turkey
>1963
>Soviets put missiles in Cuba to counter the missiles in Turkey
>Americas response: I'M GOING TO START FUCKING WORLD WAR THREE IN A MINUTE!!!!DWEAHUDFJISEDFG
>America: ok we remove Turkish missile, your turn

fucking leaf cuba wasn't a real invasion if America invaded cuba they would have been destroyed

YES how else was America supposed to spread freedom?

political war pfff

The Soviets never ended up putting missiles in Cuba though.

Regardless, America would burn the entire planet down if Russia put defensive weaponry on the US/Mexican border.

Also
>It's only defensive!
Yeah well most of America's shit in Europe and the Middle East was just for "Defence", but they managed an entire invasion force pretty fucking quickly during the war on people who own oil that aren't American.

Nothin personnel kid...

*goes to Bolivia*

>political war pfff
For the Americans it was, for the Vietnamese it was a people's revolution to finally take back their country after centuries of Chinese and the European dominion, ripping away resources for capitalist purposes in the west. Oh they're so terrible for wanting Marxism, where what they produce is for themselves for a change, rather than just joining the capitalist sphere where only the few get immensely rich by doing the robbing of the country by proxy for the west.

All samefag. All proxying Kremlinbot.

Can't castrate the Castro.

Why are third world leftists so manly and get so much pussy, but American leaders are always pasty, sickly, flabby old wh**te men?

What about that time it was a black guy?

Typical American, shown up to be a barrel of twats, so you resort to trying to discredit your opponent.

He was a funky president, but Americans decided that he was a socialist (for trying to make sure that people can get free healthcare in the richest society on Earth) and voted a complete gimp to replace him.

Obama was one of the wh*test black dudes ever. Even commie wh*tes are more manly and alpha than American cucks.

>ITT
>Americans BTFO

The CMC was something of an overreaction, yes (I am not going to reply to British and Canadian flags in here because they're a Russian using proxies), because we had the USSR ringed with short range missiles and nuclear-tipped bombers, our firepower in 1962 way exceeded theirs. But yes, Washington did tend to way overestimate what the communist bloc was capable of. Even to this day, they still way overestimate what Russia/China/North Korea or whatever are capable of.

Piss off back home vatnik

Why are Britsharias so obsessed with us? Like hop off our nuts, niggas. Damn.

I'm already home, Socialism has always been significant in this country.


Well, significant enough to have been actively suppressed by the government.

Because America makes it it's own business that everybody loves America and their war machine.

If the American government could just shut the fuck up for 5 minutes, people might not get on your tits as much.

If a nuclear war started in the early 60s, no contest. We'd just reduce the Soviet Union to ash, but mostly because of the bomber fleet. Ballistic missiles in 1962 were just toys that exploded half the time when you tried to launch them.

The early 80s when Reagan confronted Moscow were a lot different, civilization as we know it could have been ended by a US-Soviet conflict.

>I am not going to reply to British and Canadian flags in here because they're a Russian using proxies
Great, so you're above answering me and the Canadian because you think we're Russian and therefore biased?

Why can I not be a Briton who is biased against America? As I've pointed out, you've done some fucked up shit.

Where did I ever mention socialism Pavel?
Try harder

Or you could be a Mudslime or a Guardian employee. It's all the same. :^)

Just marking my presence here.

>Yeah well most of America's shit in Europe and the Middle East was just for "Defence",
No it wasn't, it was to counter attack as well to force an invading forces back. These systems just shoot down incoming missiles, it's not much different than a SAM site.

The Grauniad is aggressively anti-Russian, thick shart

>Why are third world leftists so manly and get so much pussy, but American leaders are always pasty, sickly, flabby old wh**te men?
Did you forget JFK? He probably got more pussy than both Castro brothers and Che combined.

>Or you could be a Mudslime
Wouldn't doubt it. I mean, Britain did some massively fucked up shit in the colonial era so I don't get how he accuses the US of that sort of thing.

>But yes, Washington did tend to way overestimate what the communist bloc was capable of.
They always did and the military to get better toys usually. We also in public specs downplay our capabilities while a lot of countries do the opposite.

>Castro beats CIA
>CIA beats Kennedy
>therefore Castro > Kennedy via transitive property

There's been enormous miscalculation on recent American foreign policy and while I am a leftie I would blame that squarely on Obama. Russia should have been engaged as a priority long before Crimea. Then again the outreach to Latin America and Africa, which was actually quite succesful during the George W years, was scrapped and the situation in North Korea was allowed to fester and grow with no clear plan to actually disarm it. Meanwhile US efforts were all wasted on a failed bid to better relations with the Muslim world.

Yes, the current manchild in chief isn't helping things but a lot of the current bad climate on international relations can be laid at the feet of previous American failures. And to think Obama got a peace prize for all of that.

>I'm already home, Socialism has always been significant in this country.
True but British socialists hated the Soviets because they realized it was even worse for the common man.

It was more because Trotskyism was the dominant socialist tendency in Britain. Before the 80s and 90s Labour was committed to the socialization of the means of production and the abolition of capitalism. Now hopefully they are back to that position with the Absolute Boy in charge.

>CIA beats Kennedy

Are Americans aware of this hypocrisy?
Or do they think they do nothing wrong?

Glad to see based Kim finally putting blubberspics in their place. Can't wait to see the bomb test in the Pacific.

Well the CIA in collusion with the Mafia if you want to get technical.

America's missiles are in the European Union, not in the middle of an ocean. Russia sees the world as Russia, America and non countries, which is objectively not true because they're extremely butthurt about the EU fucking with their trade.

That's not really true. The right wing (for lack of a better word) was never happy about Militant which is why they split into the SDP in the early 80s. Labour before then had been far more pragmatic about the Soviets, if sloppy and irresponsible in execution.

>We also in public specs downplay our capabilities while a lot of countries do the opposite
That's because dictatorships like China are extremely insecure and like to exaggerate their military capabilities, they think the people will only be loyal to the government if they have a cool army everyone's scared of.

If you think this is bad then try watching them delude themselves into thinking they were the good guys in Vietnam.

Would you rather there be a power vacuum and many countries try to fill that in place for the US? That's how you get actual wars between states. I'll take an overactive bully telling everybody what to do than a bunch of kids prepping for war because there is no parent watching nearby. America considers the entire west it's assets. You are a vassal that doesn't give us anything back but we protect you because it's what we do

>refused russia the nato membership when it was weak
>get mad that it began to solve its border problems when it got stronger

also i hope trump will build the wall on your borders

>was scrapped and the situation in North Korea was allowed to fester and grow with no clear plan to actually disarm it.
The North Korea problem had been building since 1994. Three successive presidents allowed it to metastasize.

>Would you rather there be a power vacuum

Russia would love that. I don't even think they would flat out invade, they would just turn the whole Eastern Europe into vassal states with economic and military pressure and from there on it would be the old story again. They can't create this pressure now due to the presence of EU and NATO, which are only opposed by their own citizens in our country for example. Fuck Russia.

hasn't the lifespan of world powers gotten shorter and shorter for the last few centuries?
I can see the US gradually losing power during the next 20 years

*trembles in terror*
NO, UNCLE HO! NOOO!

Someone please nuke America. God wants some justice in this world.

That's really funny, cause the bringers of democracy were activly keeping democracy out of Vietnam, just like they keep democracy out of middle east right now

EU can counterbalance Russia, no need for NATO

Would you rather a power vacuum where there is no looming superpower that makes sure all of the kids are playing nicely on the playground? There hasn't been a single state vs state war since the beginning of american hedgemony in the 1950s. I find it interesting that the European continent basically went from the most warmongering continent to being united under a federal entity all within 60 years. You can thank the US for containing communism and being the parents that your continent needed

Correct. China would do likewise with East Asia if we didn't have them ringed with military bases. Back in imperial times, China's neighbors were their vassals/tributaries and they very much want that relationship to return.

>nuking a country with nuclear weapons
please don't

I wouldn't mind USA as a superpower if it upheld its own ideals. But sadly that is not what it does

How the fuck Castro managed to outlive so many presidents and cia directors? are cuban cigars that good?

>EU can counterbalance Russia

In theory yes, but in practice EU is politically instable and doesn't know what it wants to be. A lot of people don't agree with joining a federal state, which is what's happening. This is why America's and UK's guarantee is very valuable. We can't trust Germany to put our sovereignty over Germany's economic interests or to use us as a country as leverage when dealing with Russia.

And I hope the sanctions only get worse for you Ivan, that the US miscalculated Russia's policy is far from saying you're in the right here

He enjoyed Soviet protection for 25 years, after the Cold War ended Cuba became irrelevant and we didn't care about the place anymore.

This is what you deserve for all those lives you took.

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>America puts missiles directly on Russia's border
When exactly did this happen?

Yeah, they did.
The US had satellite images and everything.

You didn't, but my political leanings are clear and you told me to go back to my country with the word "vatnik"

Don't try to use technicalities on me sunshine, I didn't pull it out of my arse.

>You didn't, but my political leanings are clear
Yeah crystal clear pet. Sad part is you're probably doing this for free.

I would argue EU is unstable because it can afford it. If America was out of the picture and we had to take care of our own security, we would find a compromise

U2 spyplane images. We didn't have any satellites capable of photographing Cuba in 1962 (it was really early in the space program after all) and besides, wasting an entire satellite on Cuba would have been pointless since the Caribbean didn't have much of anything else interesting from a military standpoint.

>If you get paid for it you're a shill and not credible (obviously)
>If you do it for free then you're just a pathetic misguided dickhead

Mate, just go back to repeating headlines from The Sun in the back of the Railway Arms, pretending that not only do you understand anything but that you can also do a better job than any politician that lived.

I wouldn't mind a European superpower. Just chill with the NWO thing for a second before it all blows up in your face. And I would much rather prefer European co-operation to any other bs option. This is why I'm not throwing my vote to the populists, even though I considered it.

Chinese subs are even worse for noise, not even as good as Soviet subs from the 80s.

Like I said, try harder mate. Only two scenarios that lead to you posting this drivel: actual vatnik or a brainwashed malcontent. Neither has anything to do with socialism or one's political beliefs.

The EU is doomed to be honest, trying to get a lot of Post-Colonial countries to treat each other equally isn't going to work.

It was more realistic when we were all rather embarrassed about blowing the fuck out of each other and maudlin about the friends and family we all lost. But WWI and WWII are getting to far way, people are forgetting about why Europe needs to cooperate and integrate (albeit in a decentralised way).

Britons are moaning about a lack of Sovereignty (despite not having to join the Euro or the Schengen area, both agreements the EU prides itself on and almost considers essential)

Germans are in the unfortunate position of being the most likely candidate for leading the EU, but are shackled down by the "the Kaiser and the Nazi wanted to lead Europe as well!" rhetoric.

France plays ball, but acts like it doesn't really.

North Europe barely gets involved and Eastern Europe is still growing.

The EU needs time, but unfortunately the more that time goes on, the more people think we need to fuck each other to make progress.

Actually I'm going to ask you to try a little harder
>Uhhhhh nah ur a vatnik er branewashed ya prick so ur rong.

Sure EU has its problems, and it faces some challenges, but i am not conviced it is inheritly doomed.
If it works or not depends on the decisions we are gonna make in the future

I don't want to leave it and I want it to work out. But I think national pride and arrogance will destroy it rather soon.

If we can all agree MENA and Islam need to leave Europe over time and outer borders are priority then we're making progress. But instead we're getting this bastardized version of America, where you're deemed a terrorist for speaking out against Islam. This actually applies to us too, because among new regulations and financing, we are also mandatorily importing diversity brainwashing as well as foreign people who have historically never had anything to do with our country.

I don't ever see us accepting MENA here like in Western Europe. Over my dead body. This will be the make or break point imo. It doesn't only concern Eastern Europe, but also Western Europe, where you are driving countries towards civil war with the insanity.

I hope it will work out. If it wont, we will become vassal states of the big powers in the world.

Funny, since a lot of people thought so about accepting eastern europeans in the 90s

Estonia, you just need to realise that race and religion doesn't mean shit. MENA working along side you doesn't mean your penis suddenly stops working and Islam is just another ancient cult, like Christianity, designed to separate people into minority groups to wage war with for money, power and land, but is basically powerless in modern, secular societies. Doesn't matter how many wankers use bombs and machettes, they'll never get what the founders of said cult want.

>accepting eastern europeans

First of all, as I said, this is the problem with the EU. I'll remind you Germany S O L D Eastern Europe to Stalin. Second, Schengen was never that great of an idea in the first place at least in its current implementation.

But this mentality overall is why we need UK and US intervention in Europe, because Germany sees Eastern Europe as a commodity. I'm glad America is on the right path when it comes to multiculti and bleeding heart PC culture at least.

I heard that it was also a slight tension with German Reunification as well?

if that's true, then it proves that race and religion is a manufactured reason for why integration is "too difficult for the people" rather than too difficult with people with shit to gain/earn.

We have experienced 25% multiculturalism for 70 years. It demoralizes people to the core. The terror attacks Western Europe is having and which we are moving closer to with each year are not a feature of a normal society.

>I'll remind you Germany S O L D Eastern Europe to Stalin
Irrelevant in the modern age. Hitler and Stalin are dead, No politician in the Bundestag reckon Hitler is worth copying and while many, many Russians thing Stalin was great, the EU isn't trying to sell Estonia to Russia, quite the opposite.

This is what I mean, people in Europe want to remember that bad things as a reason to not integrate while ignoring what happens when we let these bad things take over our decision making.

>I'll remind you Germany S O L D Eastern Europe to Stalin
Modern day Germany has nothing to do with national socialism, so I don't really understand how it is relevant to this discussion

>Schengen was never that great of an idea in the first place at least in its current implementation.
Without Schengen, Eastern Europeans wouldn't be able to travel to West Europe for well payed jobs. It would turn Eastern Europe into a colony and their people would have no chance of getting wealthy.

>because Germany sees Eastern Europe as a commodity
You really believe Americans care for you more than Germans do?

Because there is always someone telling you to be pissed off, whether it is at the Russians or at Muslims. No one is born with prejudices either on the side of the native nor the child of an immigrant, someone has something to gain through these prejudices and it's not you or your immigrant colleague.

You can stay obsessed it's ok Nigel

Well it's not easy to not support America when you get a shit tonne of US media and news rammed down one's throat.

Mate your trying too hard for this board. Go to krautchan and play with the autistic g*rmans if you feel like screaming into the political void.

>Modern day Germany has nothing to do with national socialism, so I don't really understand how it is relevant to this discussion

It's relevant because the overall power structures in Europe haven't changed. Russia is Russia, Germany is Germany, UK is UK. Therefore it's destined to go the same way sooner or later.

>Without Schengen, Eastern Europeans wouldn't be able to travel to West Europe for well payed jobs. It would turn Eastern Europe into a colony and their people would have no chance of getting wealthy.

I have never worked in Western Europe and neither have my parents and I don't think I'm hurting the economy by staying here - on the contrary. The people who move, move with the intent of not coming back. I haven't heard of cases of "sending back money". The only border arrangement that has realistically helped our economy is freedom to work in Finland, which could have been arranged without Schengen as well.

>You really believe Americans care for you more than Germans do?

Americans and British understand the geopolitical importance of the Baltic Sea and have never backstabbed us. Germans wanted to put a Russian gaspipe along with the Russian naval fleet smack in the middle of it just 10 years ago. These along with extremely dubious demographic goals (demographics are our biggest national tragedy, which have affected our country's future deeply) are the biggest issues at hand.