English trio admit club rivalries held back England's golden generation

Rio Ferdinand and Frank Lampard revealed the relationship they formed during their younger days at West Ham evaporated when they went their separate ways, ending up at Premier League giants Manchester United and Chelsea.

>Lampard: 'You feel so passionately about the club you play with your team-mates, your own performances that to be a bit pally with someone you're competitive with... it may have [held back England]. We didn't hate each other but by nature we would sit on different tables'.

Gerrard: 'I think it was more of a respectful relationship around England rather than a closeness where there was love there. Coutinho can't wait to go away with Brazil, it's the best 10 days of their season. But you didn't get that feeling with England'.

dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-5118369/Englands-golden-generation-held-club-rivalries.html

stopped reading at "england's golden generation"

The only thing that held them back was being English.
These literal island monkeys will never see their team lift the world cup in their lifetime, something I've witnessed twice already.
Imagine losing the lottery of life, being born and Englishman. They got their lil Brexit but their country is getting browner every second.
Beyond SAD tßh

>we failed because we were rivals, i mean we would have won everything otherwise
top kek

>England's golden generation
lmao stop this with shit already

t. Ayoub Al Damasqusi

>but their country is getting browner every second
just like their teeth

>implying each of the players in this line-up (apart from the GK) wasn't at the peak of their careers

you can't polish a turd

>their country is getting browner every second.
Beyond SAD tßh

Do you have any idea how many refugees Germany has taken in as opposed to us? Or are you just repeating memes you've seen?

>implying they were anything special

Stop lying to yourself Pedro. English teams with English players as their core were dominating the Champions League back then, same time when Real Madrid were struggling to get past Lyon and Roma in the round of 16

>this group of players were so good they didn't achieve shit together
mmm...

Difference is Germans deal with it like adults.
Your political discorse is poisoned and quite frankly a bit stupid.

Well that's the whole point of the artivle and the thread, isn't it? Club rivalries prevented them from working effectively as a team. Interesting that Spain didn't have this problem from 2008 to 2012 though.

>Interesting that Spain didn't have this problem from 2008 to 2012 though.
spanish club rivalries were somehow stronger than english club rivalries, but spain actually won trophies, what's the excuse of english teams ?

>Germans deal with it like adults
They look away and hope the issue sorts itself out on its own?

>Interesting that Spain didn't have this problem from 2008 to 2012 though
Yeah. Because it's a fucking exucse for failure, nothing else. You'd have to be a real piece of shit to have more pride for some mercenary club run by oil money than fo yor cpuntry.

the article is delusion and revisionism, it's stupid to talk about a golden generation when they didn't achieve shit
>Interesting that Spain didn't have this problem from 2008 to 2012 though
because it's a shit excuse that somehow only affected england's golden generation while it doesn't happen anywhere else lmao

They act compasionately and try to find a balance on immigration people can live with.
The Balkan route was closed. No one wants to take in all the people from Africa.
But some immigration is legitimate.
Most of the people will leave eventually like those who came here in the 90s from the Balkans.

>Interesting that Spain didn't have this problem from 2008 to 2012 though.
Spain's squad consisted of two clubs while the England squad had max two players from the same team. Quite easier to have chemistry when majority of the players are from Barcelona

>They act compasionately
for the last ~5 years (a bit more) spanish oncology students are being sent to greece to study cancers because, after your shit government hijacked their democracy and destroyed their economy and health system, many cancer patients haven't been able to get proper treatment and cancers have developed to sizes not seen in decades in developed countries

all germans deserve to be burned alive

If you dumb fucks actually know how to read, they didn't blame their failure solely on that. They say that there are many other variables such as personal performances and poor management.

>there are many other variables such as personal performances and poor management
and the fact they were nothing special

LOL whatever you say

Lampard, Gerrard, Scholes, Rio, Terry, Cole and Beckham were some of the best players in the world at the time and consistently played for teams that were very strong in the CL. That's without mentioning players who at the time were just below them like Rooney.

Managers failed to take full advantage of that core of midfield players, plus they didn't have the balls to drop some superstars in favour of a better system. The fact that the players didn't feel a closeness together due to competitiveness only makes things worse.

Now that the dust has settled, why weren't Lampard and Gerrard able to play together?

that "golden generation" wasn't better than Portugal, even on paper.

greece is a country run by morons. no wonder they're dead broke

>all germans deserve to be burned alive
says the spanish manlet. your country is fucked too. you're shit tier nowadays - and you know it

Neither of them are defensive enough in a 2 man midfield, which is what England managers kept insisting on instead of going with a different formation.

Have someone like Carrick of Hargreaves play the defensive midfield role and the likes of Lampard/Gerrard/Scholes would have had more freedom.

You're a disgusting poster, to be honest. How dare you insult the birthplace of democracy when your country's vile officials have orchestrated such harm on their people? All you seem to do is destroy. What does that even mean, 'some immigration is legitimate'? Most of that tidal wave wasn't even Syrian, you realise? Most of them were just fleeing somewhere worse than where you are. And if you think they should be able to keep fleeing until there is equilibrium between the awfulness of where they came from and where they're going, you really are a fucking idiot.

Dude, Greece are/were fucking lazy idiots who agreed to host an Olympiad, effectively committing economic suicide while their economy was a steaming pile of shit, and sorting out if they'd stick to the failed dracma or enter the supposed one world currency, both paths had their merit at the moment, they would have probably fucked up keeping the dracma too.
The lion's share of the blame rests on them

>Only whoever wins something is special

Is Nacho fednandez special? He has 2 CLs already but minimum impact.
Rafinha? He has a champions League.

Saying some1 is nothing special because >No title is like saying those mentioned above are Champions League winning material.
Someone's worth in team sports can not be described by his achievements.
Also, in matches that usually go 1-0 2-1 0-0/penalties you can hardly recognize the best team. Having those teams play 100 matches and the results would probably end up 50/50 split. When two top tier teams play it's not always the best one winning. Having a good day or a bit of luck with you is a factor.
Of course, everyone who has had any semi professional experience knows that. The fans, just care for results though.

You know Greeks are the nation that works most hours/ week right now right?
You re literally unaware of one two many factors to be judging.
Screw the Olympiad, It didnt bring us in this situation.
Go back to 2001. European Union/Germany forced us to change our national currency to Euro. That's the main thing that screwed us.

Of course as germanbro said, if those morons governing us didn't agree to that matter, we wouldn't be here where we are.

>golden generation
so they reached at least like a semi-final somewhere, right?

not sure how accepting enough under the table german banking dollars to setup your family for generatrions is being a 'moron.'

but yes blaming the citizens of greece is laughable

>club rivalries held back England's golden generation
That happened in Portugal too

But it was in the fucking 80s!

It is by the definition of moron because you eventually do it in the expense of other people's lives.

2002 team was better

Come on, it was a great side.
Almost every position was filled by a world class player.

But this just proves how we really need a change if we're ever going to win another international trophy. Poor management as well. Spain managed to dominate international football for years with Barca and Real players who don't like eachother.

Nacho Fernandez is better than most of England's "golden generation" defenders. More successful, more consistent, and in a bigger club. Don't debate this shit. England is fucking stupid overrated and their players are worse than ours.

>More successfull
You literally took my question and rephrased it to an answer.
If he was playing for a club like Valencia or Leganes, would anyone know his name?
Did he do anything to be worth the champions League titles? (screw the La Liga/cups)
He barely played and whenever he plays he is not even close to consistent.

>England isfucking stupid overrated and their players are worse than ours
Im not talking about now. This thread is not about now. early 2000s u were nothing compared to English players.

>u were nothing
>made it to the exact same stage, and it took refball to eliminate us from the WC
>meanwhile the Englards spout golden generation
We were the same level or better even back then. They're garbage.

You are utterly delusional if you think you had anywhere near the quality that our squad in the early 2000s had

Excuses

>You know Greeks are the nation that works most hours/ week right now right?
In Europe you mean? I'm sure Greece doesn't como anywhere near Mexico in this.

>Interesting that Spain didn't have this problem from 2008 to 2012 though.
You're missing the point, since Spain was famous for having that problem for their entire history up to that point.

This is why we should only play Manchester United youth teams

Who is this Lady

That's the point

just stop posting now lad, looking a bit silly

>the 5th worst team in concacaf

>Lampard, Gerrard, Scholes, Rio, Terry, Cole and Beckham were some of the best players in the world

>Most of the people will leave eventually
Yeah I'm sure they'll be happy to leave Germany and head back to war-ravaged Syria.

In hindsight using a 4-3-3 with Lampard/Gerrard ahead of Carrick seems really fucking obvious. Did England never try this?

golden generat-

>tfw too good at football to win

>If you kill your enemies they win

Robbo was at his peak. His peak just wasn't very high.

Is this the greatest England XI ever? 10 players who are among the best in the world at their position plus David James.

this

>You're a disgusting poster, to be honest
Thanks, I know. The truth can be a heavy burden

This, but replace one of Gerrard/Lampard with Scholes.